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Simulacra, Simulation, False Flag, Mass and Elite Manipulation

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posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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Simulacra, Simulation, False Flag, Mass and Elite Manipulation

Yes Mass manipulation, and elite manipulation : even if you think nobody could be manipulated : we all are manipulated : do you created your own desire and your own personnality ? Nobody does.

If you realized it, maybe you can talk about it, think about, think about your freedom, and maybe 9/11

Let begins :

Do you understand : What is a simulacra ? For exemple Matrix

"The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth--it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true." First words in the book "simulacra and simulation" , a phrase from the holy bible.

In other contexts, do you know :

The Society of the Spectacle

“But for the present age, which prefers the sign to the thing signified, the copy to the original, representation to reality, appearance to essence . . . truth is considered profane, and only illusion is sacred. Sacredness is in fact held to be enhanced in proportion as truth decreases and illusion increases, so that the highest degree of illusion comes to be the highest degree of sacredness.”

In societies dominated by modern conditions of production, life is presented as an immense accumulation of spectacles. Everything that was directly lived has receded into a representation.


Do you know the pervert guide to cinema ?


'The problem is how do we know what to desire '
'There is nothing natural about human desire'
'Our desires are artificials, we have to be taught to desire'
'Cinema is the ultimate pervert art. It doesn't give you what you desire - it tells you how to desire' - Slavoj Zizek



So... please share what "you" want

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posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 02:41 AM
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Jean Baudrillard, writer of Simulacra and Simulation, and "The Consumer Society: Myths and Structures" (1970), said :

"The Gulf War Did Not Take Place"

And On September 11 : " 9/11 DID NOT TAKE PLACE "(in the spirit of terrorism )

They are non-event, moreover they are simulacra of real clash, and maybe they are simulations of a real clash ... THIS IS JUST A SPECTACLE FOR YOU, THE PEOPLE

I Hope this will help you understanding 9/11


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posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 02:47 AM
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I Hope this will help you understanding 9/11


Not really,
FACT: Muslims did 9/11
Even if the government did do it what would it change? Those people are still dead the war is still going on. Sometimes the conspiracy theories are twice as dumb as the government they talk about.



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 02:59 AM
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This is not consparacy here : this is the psychological effect on us, on everybody

and what are the concequences of the destruction of a symbol ( the twin tower, and the hegemony of usa empire)

Do you know the Vase of Soissons ; "One soldier however disagreed and crushed the vase with his battle-axe. Clovis at first didn't react to this event and gave the broken vase to Remigius. One year later however he personally and publicly killed the crusher of the vase, using the soldier's own axe." The destruction of a symbol is FAR more important than the destruction of the reality

I say that the people who have done it : have themself there own illusion about it : they have their own "simulation" of it : before it happens : "
The simulation is before the real"

"With this reference he turns his attention to the model builders, the simulators, identified above as the destroyers of a viable relationship between the real and the simulated. The simulators are imperialistic in that they "attempt to make the real, all of the real, coincide with their models of simulation." [2] In doing so, they destroy "the sovereign difference" between the map and the territory, the simulation and the real. He refers nostalgically to "the charm of abstraction" which has been lost along with the sense of difference between the two--"the poetry of the map and the charm of the territory." [2] These simulators operate on "nuclear and genetic" principles, not on the older principles, which were "specular and discursive."



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 03:20 AM
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This, Baudrillard wrote, is "the most beautiful allegory of simulation."

"Today abstraction is no longer that of the map, the double, the mirror, or the concept. Simulation is no longer that of a territory, a referential being, or a substance. It is the generation by models of a real without origin or reality: a hyperreal. The territory no longer precedes the map, nor does it survive it. It is nevertheless the map that precedes the territory -- precession of simulacra -- that engenders the territory, and if one must return to the fable, today it is the territory whose shreds slowly rot across the extent of the map. It is the real, and not the map, whose vestiges persist here and there in the deserts that are no longer those of the Empire, but ours. The desert of the real itself."
Slavoj Zizek took that last bit as a title for a post-9/11 essay: "Welcome to the Desert of the Real," which was previously used by Larry Fishburne's character Morpheus in The Matrix. Zizek applies Baudrillard's ideas to the World Trade Center attacks, via The Matrix:

"When the hero (played by Keanu Reeves) awakens into 'real reality,' he sees a desolate landscape littered with burnt-out ruins -- what remains of Chicago after global war. ... Was it not something of a similar order that took place in New York on September 11? Its citizens were introduced to 'the desert of the real' -- for us, corrupted by Hollywood, the landscape and the shots of the collapsing towers could not but be reminiscent of the most breathtaking scenes in big catastophe productions.

Which is to say that the simulation preceded the real. The towers being hit by airplanes and then tumbling into rubble were not so amazing because we couldn't believe it was happening, but because we'd seen it before in movies.

[This, incidentally, is why 9/11 movies like Oliver Stone's World Trade Center appalled me: they're effectively simulations of a reality which had already been simulated in film before the fact, and then relived (re-simulated) in endlessly cycling news reels. Why on earth would we all need to see a weak dramatization of events we all lived through, a dramatization that brought us no new insights?]


In the introduction to 1998 book called Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals' Abuse of Science, Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont wrote:

Our goal is precisely to say that the king is naked (and the queen too). But let us be clear. We are not attacking philosophy, the humanities or the social sciences in general; on the contrary, we feel that these fields are of the utmost importance and we want to warn those who work in them (especially students) against some manifest cases of charlatanism. In particular, we want to "deconstruct" the reputation that certain texts have of being difficult because the ideas in them are so profound. In many cases we shall demonstrate that if the texts seem incomprehensible, it is for the excellent reason that they mean precisely nothing.

That was referring to Baudrillard, Jacques Derrida, and other, mostly French theorists, many of whom were more popular in America than in France.



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posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by 375610


I Hope this will help you understanding 9/11


Not really,
FACT: Muslims did 9/11
Even if the government did do it what would it change? Those people are still dead the war is still going on. Sometimes the conspiracy theories are twice as dumb as the government they talk about.


Either way, no matter who was behind 9/11, don't you think those who were behind it should be sought out and punished? I don't understand this whole "they are dead, what good will it do" mentality. If someone murdered a loved one of yours do you say to yourself, "eh, my son is dead, no sense finding the killer...he'd still be dead."

Crazy talk!


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posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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They are being punnished, the war on terror you heard of it?



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 03:36 AM
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"NO"

THe people behind 9/11 : appear "to defend a culture, or attack an other culture"

It could be whoever you want.

Of course, This is clearly a group affected with a strong ideology : they are the simulators.

I don't think everything happened like they simulated ( in their mind ).

At least it gave usa economy 7 more years before it crisis.



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by 375610
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They are being punnished, the war on terror you heard of it?



That's laughable at best. You think the war on terror is actually a war on terror? Even if the Muslims were behind 9/11 (I doubt it) the proper perps aren't being punished.



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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There is a crime : what are the motives ?



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by MeSoCorny

Originally posted by 375610
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They are being punnished, the war on terror you heard of it?



That's laughable at best. You think the war on terror is actually a war on terror? Even if the Muslims were behind 9/11 (I doubt it) the proper perps aren't being punished.


en.wikipedia.org...
They are working on it.



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 02:46 AM
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posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 03:57 AM
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I don't understand when he says the gulf war was a non event. He claims that because nothing changed and it didnt follow the accepted outcomes of wars it was fake? It was a simulation of the idea of war for what end? As a demonstration to the people?

Confusing...

Philosophy like this gives me a headache. I think he is saying that we create symbols and copies and copies of things that never existed which he calls hyperreal. As we advance we can't tell where fakes end and real begins?

Understanding this point may make his ideas clearer.


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posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 04:17 AM
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1) this was not a war : ( because USA army would have win, with the best army aand weapons ever ) : this was not en event , this was not a war : but the media like to tell you this is a war.

2) the real war is the war of cultures.


You know : we are at an other event in history of manking, where you will have to choose between "capitalism" (quid pro quo : and where people will disapear) and humanity (sharing production and ressources ).

this is the war.



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 04:41 AM
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Sooooo what he's saying is our reality is created by what is presented to us based on another reality we do not see. The gulf war was only a war because we were told it was a war. In reality it was a non event that changed nothing?

It was a cover for a ongoing cultural war



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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I don't understand the premise that " there is nothing natural about human desire." It seems to me that we have been doing what comes naturally for hundreds of thousands of years and that is why we are still here.



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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Human desire are not human needs.

Your desire are artificial : they are cultural, they are from your society : it is sociology.

You desire stuff you don't need because of "the society of spectacle" :

You think you need to work : but do you understand that everything could be done with robots and AI : do you understand that in year we could could provide 100 billion times current world energy needs

Do you understand matrix now ?

It is the time in human history when YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE between, CLASS CAPITALISM, and Humanity

In a world of abundance : you have to choose !

this is the end of time



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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A false flag isnt what happened or by who, it's the fact it happened at all...

A prime example of this tactic is the whole aliens conspiracy....it isnt the existence of them..it's the fact it will entice(distract) some to believe and others to be skeptics..and for the 2 sides to duke on about, waste money researching and studying....rather than feeding the hungry with the cash, while distracting some from focusing on the greater meanings of life.
What a perfect plan, killed 2 birds with 1 stone
911 distracted all.... as does organizations like the Gov, UN, media, schools the list is endless.

The devil’s strategy is to appear as a benefactor and friend of humanity. As the apostle Paul warned: "Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14).

regardless of the outcome, reactions, events...it was designed by nature to distract, deceive, control, manipulate etc. The truth is not investigating to find a culprit, it's understanding the real creator behind it...and more importantly seeking and finding the thing that it was designed to keep you from in the 1st place....

All worldly desires are not of God. The serpent tempted Eve in the garden and separated us and thats when all worldly desires and deceit began.

Satan remains in opposition to everything God stands for. He knows what God’s plan is, and he is intent on subverting and thwarting it. Jesus told us to pray to God to "deliver us from the evil one" (Matthew 6:13). He knew that Satan holds a special hatred towards the human race, made in God’s image, and is committed to its destruction.



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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Even the elite has been manipulated.

We are neer to the end, and the elite understand they have been manipulated


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