Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by dontreally
Yes, I can rread Hebrew and Aramaic. Also, Akkadian and a couple of others.
You are equating Yahweh with the Father. The creator. This is inaccurate.
Of course, you would think this accurate, as you follow your scriptures dilligently.
But it's incorrect.
The Ab, Ilum, El, the Father, is a removed creator god, distant and unknowable.
This is the Father Jesus refers to.
Certainly not the big ole angry Set/Yahweh you love.
Sorry, man, I know it's frustrating for you, but you cannot convince someone of your correctness, by quoting only your own biased sources. Things go
much further back than the Hebrew bible.
How is it my sources are biased, but not yours?
since you can read hebrew, im gonna go far out on the limb and guess you might understand Jewish spirituality.
The greatest artifact we have of the ancient israelites is todays Yehudim - descendents of the tribe of Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Their literature
goes as back as 100 BCE (some mishnaic tractates) with Midrash and Talmudic tractates being written throughout the 100 CE to 1000 CE period.
The same underlying spirituality is being discussed in these works. All of them to be understood in a kabbalistic manner, that is, metaphorically.
Midrash, Mishna, Talmud etc. The Sefer Yetzirah can be dated at least as far back as the 300 CE, with the Heichalot going even further. The Jewish
mystical tradition of the kabbalah is the same today as it was then. Having studied both gnosticism, hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism, and paganism
throughout the world, they all share the same common conception of reality. There is literally no fundamental differences. Its all speculative, based
on that particular cultures 'experience' of reality, They all have a more or less moral relative tone to it. They all unanimously support the
concept of the divine feminine; this is especially apparent in Islam with Fatima and Mary and in Christianity with Mary and her 'virgin birth' and
purity. The same concept is being alluded to here. The supremacy of the divine mother over the mean overbearing 'judgemental' father. To feel
ashamed for ones behavior it tantamount to 'sin', because one was created that way. to feel ashamed of such a natural action is to deny G-ds very
Now, this is why Torah has ALWAYS, throughout the long history of Judaism, been at complete odds with their pagan neighbors. Judaism has no such
belief. Judaism believes G-d desires man to change his fundamental nature. To work on himself. This is kabbalistically spoken of throughout the torah
and the books of the prophets. There is no way in hell to succesfully reconcile this with the traditional gnostic view; because one, it contradicts
the historical reality of the Jewish people and their tradition, and two, their tradition is much more sensible and consistent.
The nations simpyl struggle with vanity and jealousy. The very story of Jacob and esau is also to be comprehended macrocosmically. Jacob is the Good
inclination, which appears LATER in life, at around the age of 13. Likewise, the traditional Judaism appears on the world scene in a fantastic fashion
with the Jewish exile and subsequent redemption from Egypt. It occured in a highly miraculous fashion. The sea of reeds, a body of water that existed
at that time was literally parted open and 3 million Israelites and some gentiles with them crossed through, while the egyptians, the living symbol of
constraint and strife, were pummeled by the collapsing waves. This is so allegorically wonderous, first of all, but also second of all, it actually
occurred macrocosmically, engineered by no human agent but the creator himself. Also, theres a great kabbalistic secret in the parting of the reed
sea.. If you know hebrew and kabbalah, then im sure you know of the particular power of the 72 names of G-d, the shemhamforesh. Esau represents the
earlier empires of the world - specifically as Egypt, which represented the acme of its development. G-d was telling man that that epoch in our
development was over and done with (alluded to in the sacrifice of Isaac). He was bringing us to a HIGHER level, to the level of Rachamim, to true
service and awareness of not just spiritual reality and its dynamics, but the creator of the world himself. But, as we learn in the torah, esau - who
is Edom (rome), which as you know also means 'destruction', HATES and is forever jealous of Jacob. Jacob stole what he believes to belong to him -
his 'birthright'. But he spurned it. He spurned it by not accepting G-ds decree. Thus, the european nobility, the ancestors of the biblical
esau/edom, are waging theuir war against the Jewish people. The church of Rome at its head, the UN 'its teeth', and Nato its fist. Whats going on
today in Israel is of course engineered by the power barons, and they intend for it to end up as either a two state solution for Israel and palestine
(like shown at the DIA) or an all out war against Israel. I dont know how this will happen, but it could very well be about the 'humanitarian
crisis' in 'palestine (which of course is a made up people. You need to have a language to be classified as a people. They speak arabic. They can go
to any of teh 22 other arab natiosn. Jews speak Hebew. they are an ancient people who deserve to reunited with the homeland that theyve yearned for
for thousands of years). This would result in a "peaceful interjection' by Nato and other UN forces. It would probably end up as things went in
I guess well wait for that time. Till than, my point has been made. Esau, is Rome, the western world and culture, and Jacob is Judaism and todays
Jews. Torah is a level of reality which right now exists spiritually, within a book, but soon enough will be realized and materialized when mankind
assumes responsbility and when the Jewish temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt.
Hate to poo poo on your degree. I can read Aramaic and Hebrew too. Not Akkadian, though, im sure its an interesting study.
As a theistic satanist, does that make you a sadist? Or, are you only comfortable with evil, and therefore reconciled with it, rather than someone who
finds it thrilling and enjoyable...Because, youre complaing about Yahweh, and his cuelty when Rome, who established christianity was more cruel and
sadistic than any empire the world has ever seen,. Look at Nazi Germany, Russia, China. This is the product of Esau (russia and germany. China though
has become a bastard child of the west) evil, sadistic, Red with blood lust. In truth, hes like frankenstein, massively ashamed and conflicted with
his behavior. Hes angry at his creator for having created such a monster, but being so stupid and unaware that the creator has ALREADY showed him hot
to change, he instead shirks responsibility and attempts to KILL his creator. Mary Shelly was intimating something quite dramatic and prophetic when
she wrote that. Her husband perry Bysshe Shelly, the poet, once said "Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world. " And its true.