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Is the owl on the dollar the same MOLOCH god from Bohemian Grove?

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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The propaganda of burning children to "Molech" (Melek) is false. What it was, was a ceremony for children, to purify them - they were passed quickly through two columns of fire. Ceremonial, nothing more. And still done to this day.

The negative accounts we have come from Hebrew, Roman and Greek sources, all of whom had reason to malign the practice.

And yes, Melek had nothing to do with owls.




posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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This by ^^ BTW is a convincing example of whats going on today.

Oh, and you dont maintain this level of control without their being a very ogranized heirarchy in society. The elites at the top, the nobles, are essential occultists/mystics/sorcerors who in their belief of being Gods/natures chosen, the philosopher kings of platos republic, decide and manage the lifes of their 'cattle' ie; US.

theres a disturbing paradigmatic contrast between US, normal people who have a Judeo-chirstian morality, and these pagan basstards in power with dreams of manifst destiny and upping G-d by distorting his creation.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Jordon Maxwell is in my opinion one of the most foremost experts on symbolism.

He has studied this for over forty years.

David Icke has also spoken about this as well more than a decade ago and everyone laughted at him.







[edit on 7-9-2010 by ofhumandescent]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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Judeo-Christian Morals?
What are those?
Are they the bloody laws in Leviticus?
Or the peaceful messages in Matthew?
Is it eye for an eye, or turn the other cheek?

There are no such things as Judeo-Christian morals.
They are diametrically opposed.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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I once got caught up on this, and was trying to tell someone about the owl on the bill, then I was looking at it with a magnifying glass and realized it was just the etched pattern in the background. Well that is my take,..no owl.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
The propaganda of burning children to "Molech" (Melek) is false. What it was, was a ceremony for children, to purify them - they were passed quickly through two columns of fire. Ceremonial, nothing more. And still done to this day.

The negative accounts we have come from Hebrew, Roman and Greek sources, all of whom had reason to malign the practice.

And yes, Melek had nothing to do with owls.


um, the correct pronounciation is MOlech. Melek means king.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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Don't look at #16 and #17 then.

1909

Just keep your eyes closed, it'll go away.

And no, they don't sacrifice people now. Now, they burn effigys of humans in a symbolic human sacrifice to "burn away their cares".

To the OP, after looking at other pictures which don't seem as Strixy, seems they have a different owl now than they had than long ago. One is more owlish.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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If you turn the DC picture upside down (everybody knows satanic stuff is upside down) you will see an old lady bending over in her yard.

Where do you think those wooden folk art pieces from the early 90s came from?

Yeah... I'm calling you out folk artists...

If you want to know who the NWO is, you should start by looking at this insidious trend of comical wooden folk art yard decorations.

Besides, Alex Jones is the one that named the OWL Moloch...



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by dontreally
 


Judeo-Christian Morals?
What are those?
Are they the bloody laws in Leviticus?
Or the peaceful messages in Matthew?
Is it eye for an eye, or turn the other cheek?

There are no such things as Judeo-Christian morals.
They are diametrically opposed.


Oh, good, i was just following typical convention by mentioning taht painfully ignorant misnomer "judeo-christian"

I do agree. Christianity is thoroughly pagan and it was a creation of Rome to manage the socio-political threat that Judaism posed.

Judaism is completely Just. IE: Theres such a thing as justice in a Jewish society. Whereas in pagan society the idea of justice fits whatever ethos the oligarchs tell us; as the Jesuit moral probabilism argues; whatever the monarch or pope considers right, thats PROBABLY right.

In Judaism, laws of G-d are upheld. When one commits a crime, he loses exactly that which he had either damaged, or risked. If he kills, hes killed. Its a law of causation. Just like the spiritual worlds dont turn a blind eye to evil commited, neither does Torah., which beckons man to make this world like the spiritual worlds; unlike in pagan world, which makes both realities mutually exclusive.

The torah demands social ACTION. As we all know, you cant change something unless you ACT. If i were to act in moral and an upright manner, this would become a HABIT and trait which i would naturally feel compelled to repeat. By doing this i'd would be transforming my very spiritual nature. Likewise, this applies in the collective human sphere (when theres no pagan overlords undermining the success of this). When ALL mankind makes the collective intention to follow G-ds 7 Noahide commandments (enumerated in the Talmud) mankind collectively would do EXACTLY that which the Jewish scriptures says is inevitably going to happen to the effect of 'wiping out the other gods" at the end of time. And dont bother making the existential argument of 'so acting good would be trading worshipping gods of teh passions to gods of morality". Either way were subject to a force. The truth is there is only ONE truth and ONE path which is connected to the ONE creator who is the one TRUE Reality - this is the point of Torah. If we collectively undue our current spiritual apathy, and transform our negative nature than we very well can attain and enjoy in great pleausre a world where our only desire is to serve the creator. However, when youre arrested in a world of dualism, then one state opposite and opposed to another makes one arrested in that state (egotism) antipathetic towards a state which to him, in his current frame of mind and reality, appears undesirable. So in truth, the Hebrew tradition has always been correct and it merely awaits fullfilment with the coming of the earthly messiah to instigate this change by coercing the nations of the world to accept the ethics of the 7 laws of Noach (its apt that Noach means rest in Hebrew. We all need to follow his 7 laws to achieve it)

Pagandom, with it major centers in rome and berlin, paris and moscow, washington and london, the NWO wont mean 'hedonistic aquarian' age like the imposters in power wish, but will mean a return to our source, to the creator, to observance of divine commandments, to simplicty, to easy long living and REST from the chaos of the paganism of the last 3000 years

I know to pagans who seek adventure and love standing right beside the burning hot furnace - testing their limits, this seems boring - which is exactly why the current elites have this 'death wish'. Its in the very nature of pagandom to DOUBT (Amalek, the enemy of the Jews who moses says DESTROY, NEVER FOGET, has the same gematria as Safuk - doubt) and thus even when all the signs of the miraculous points to the contrary, they'll doubt it, in their pathological arrogance, and continue going on with their machinations full steam ahead, taking the rest of its sympathizers (people like you) with them. They know full well how true the Torah is and how its the literal blueprint of creation, they know Hebrew is the language of creation and they know that nations cant be broken and reassemble themselves - but in one particular case, as is continously shown throughout history, it does - the jewish people. This is because its SELF generation. The torah is true and G-ds law is true and no matter how much mankind sdeeks to change or disrupt it, like a default setting, will always return. Eventually, its inherent truth will condence itself into this reality. They know theyre going to lose and theyre going down in an elobarate fashion, deluding themselves into believing they can change it, in the process.

Why do you think Israel, a tiny little country wuith only 6 million people is always the biggest news story. Throughout history the Jews have been the center of the western worlds attention. The bible is the most popular book in history - a Jewish book, with its prophetic writings clearly only apply to the jewish people and not the half wit christians who dont get that christianities a massive pagan scam. Oh, and the idea that "jews" control everything, is a creation of the jew hating aristocrats. Do yuo think its coincidentce that theyve created the 'court jew' in the middle ages, parading him about as the 'lender' and real power, when the knowv full #ing well that theyre making a mockery of him and his people. They give them undesirable positions. No one wants to be known as a tax collector, or as a 'controller of the media', these are very inauspicious positions to be in, ESPECIALLY for a people who have historicaly faced the brunt of the pagan wrath of the gentilres. But Jews, self hating jewish jesters gladly take these positions, like the warburgs and rothschilds (whove made sooo many anti-semitic comments youd think people would understand that these elitist Jews HATE Judaism, the state of Israel and especially the concept of a Jewish nation) to create the impression that Jews rule the world, despite the fact that 95% of the other known elitist families are gentiles. Jews are being demeaned and dehumanized, as theyve always been treated by POLICY by the Roman church.


[edit on 7-9-2010 by dontreally]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by emsed1
If you turn the DC picture upside down (everybody knows satanic stuff is upside down) you will see an old lady bending over in her yard.

Where do you think those wooden folk art pieces from the early 90s came from?

Yeah... I'm calling you out folk artists...

If you want to know who the NWO is, you should start by looking at this insidious trend of comical wooden folk art yard decorations.

Besides, Alex Jones is the one that named the OWL Moloch...


Hes a provocoteur. Obviously.

Hes even admitted on plenty of occasions, obviously compeltely over the heads of his fanbase, that he comes from a long line of "patriotic calvinists
.. Calvinism of course upholds the doctrine of predestination and total depravity. Calvinism is pretty much paganism without coming out and saying it. He comes from a theological tradition that condones all sorts of unethical behavior because man is inherently "predestined" and unable to over his natural "total depravity". also, on plenty of occassion hes raved about the gnostic psychoanalyst Carl Jung.... Jones is a massive massive hypcorite and only uneducated pea brains fail to see it.

The major calvanist families in america were the main ones behind the revival of paganism. Of course, all of christianity is all about this. The Calvinists just took the lead role, being already theologically so consistent with pagan philosophy.

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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The real question

Is it an owl on the dollar bill or a smudge?

That aside,,,
I can tell you for sure that there is an owl figure around the US capitol and there is an Owl in the logo for the National Press Club.

As for the supposed Owl Frost Bank building in downtown Austin...
somewhat a stretch in my opinion....goofiest owl I ever saw if thats what it is.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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Yes. Melek means King.
That's how He is addressed.

Molech and Moloch are deliberately derogatory Hebrew mispronounciations.

I take offense to derogatory mispronounciations being used as historically correct names.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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Well, first of all, these so called pagan faiths vary so widely and deeply that I find it puzzling that you are lumping them into one big pot of people you find morally-lacking. Be more specific. Do you mean Christians? I fail to see how Christians are morally lacking, in a strictly Gnostic sense, of course.

Personally, I find your religion morally-lacking. I find your god to be a megalomaniacal tyrant with a penchant for genocide. Not my idea of a good entity. You want to bend over and take it, fine, but don't go around calling others morally inferior, as if you could even measure up to the exacting standards set out in the Torah. No one can.

Um...sorry OP, shall we go back to owls?

Owls are sacred to Hecate.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
um, the correct pronounciation is MOlech. Melek means king.
But aren't both stemmed from מולך?



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
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Yes. Melek means King.
That's how He is addressed.

Molech and Moloch are deliberately derogatory Hebrew mispronounciations.

I take offense to derogatory mispronounciations being used as historically correct names.


And you know its a deliberatly ferogatory misprounciation how? The Torah has always been written this way.

for isntance, the 'vowel' points are what differentiate word with the dame characters from each other. without the vowel points, any hebrew word could be hypothetically pronounced the same. This is how we know that the Sages of the torah, which handed down the Torah scroll WITHOUT vowel points or cantellation marks, knew these subjects through MEMORY. Their memory was and is astounding. I have personally spoken with Torah sages who have an encynlopedic understanding of torah, Talmud, Mishna. Complete geniuses their minds are so organized.

Thus, MOLECH, was always pronounced that way, despite what your gnostic freemason tutors told you. Theyre ignoramuses when it comes to matters of Torah anyways. And, when a KING, an EARTHLY king, becomes a model of worship, the very nature of worship becomes towards an elitist quality. Juast like how the word KADOSH, Holy, but really means 'to be separate', also means a cult prostitute, male or female. In other words, such a person has made himself separate from the creator. By engaging in such deplorable and self serving behavior, youve sent a clear divine sign. I dont care for G-d, but myself. you have become EXCISED from the creator through those actions, which, in the next world, will end up as Dumah. Whereas a holy person, one whos Kadosh, has separated himself in a positive sense, from the mundane physical world. He has therefore sanctified the world and g-ds creation by making this separation, which enables G-ds holieness to permeate and elevate the coarseness of the physical body.

This last part was only meanrt to explain the archetypal nature of Hebrew. The word molech, having always been prounced that way, is a matter of tradition which goes right back to biblical times and the giving of the torah.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by dontreally
um, the correct pronounciation is MOlech. Melek means king.
But aren't both stemmed from מולך?


So is angel, messenger etc.

Theyre connected these concepts. Some have positive and others negative connotations, depending on the context of the verse it appears in.

Also, the root is neutral. it has a negative and positive manifestation. In the case of molech, the characters (the body of the reality) isnt changed, but the Soul (the 10 hebrew vowels = 10 sefirot - light/soul), the vowel is changed,

This is what cody clearly fails to understand. Its not some arbitary slight by the jewish sages.

did you know of all the extent torah scrolls, only 9 differences have been discoverd? thousands of scrolls, thousand of years old some, and only 9 discrpenacies have been establisghed; between yemenite, Iranian, spanish, moroccan, german, french, polish, ukranian, russian, israeli etc Jews.

A tradition this meticulously kept must be very very special and important. and it is. Its not like the mythos of the nations. Its not the most popualr book in human history for no reason.

A scholar and student of hebrew at a mystical level should know this, and if not, he mustnt have good teachers.

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posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
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Well, first of all, these so called pagan faiths vary so widely and deeply that I find it puzzling that you are lumping them into one big pot of people you find morally-lacking. Be more specific. Do you mean Christians? I fail to see how Christians are morally lacking, in a strictly Gnostic sense, of course.

Personally, I find your religion morally-lacking. I find your god to be a megalomaniacal tyrant with a penchant for genocide. Not my idea of a good entity. You want to bend over and take it, fine, but don't go around calling others morally inferior, as if you could even measure up to the exacting standards set out in the Torah. No one can.

Um...sorry OP, shall we go back to owls?

Owls are sacred to Hecate.



hecate, Minerva, Athena, we can go on enuemrating synonyms for the same pagan goddess/archetype being referred to.

Also, no, christendom itself is pagan, corrupt, evil and despicable in every known way. the fact that a religion this coated with lies could last this long, led by men who have committed genocide in the name of love against Jews especially - people who unlike the canaanite pagans didnt commit and moral offences - and the most immoral thing accused against this, was a fabrication of rome (see the revolting blood libel. Yes, Jews use blood to bake matzah. how many #ing moronic christians have fallen for that pathetic lie. And today the palestinians are being taught by PLO TV that the arab children are being killed for passover matazh. And get this! Arabs in israel by more matzah than even Jews do). Everyone single roman pope has a been a nefariopus evil scumbag connected to the european noble class. how this religion can be called 'holy' or spiritual, with its rampant pagan imageries, its collection of pagan art from Greek and egypt, its parading a 4000 year old egyptian obelisk in its square, partitioned into 8 sections, the pagan way, is beyond me.

Islam also is rife with pagan influences in its Sufism.

My specific 'bone to pick' is with teh arrogance of the pagans and their rejection, adoption and corruption of the title 'israel' and the religion of Judaism, which has absolutely nothing at all to do with christian paganism. I do not totally reject pagan thought. I find many streams of buddhism, gnosticism, and other mystics traditions comforting with the torahs injunction of 7 noachide laws, given to noach at mount arafat. G-d instructed noach, through the image of the rainbow (with its 7 distinct colors - demands). Yes, g-d expects man to work..... On himself...

The pagans who are antimonian to the degree where they want to destroy Judaism.. .and i can assure you this is a mighty popular and powerfully extant belief among our planets elite, than i have a problem, a disgust and a hatred for everything pagan, specifically Greek.

Alice Bailey, founder of Lucis trust and whos 25 esoteric books serve as the inspiration of Robert Muller, undersecretary of the UN for 45 years wrote in her in "Plan for the New World Order," in the section on the "reorganization of world religions," that Goal No. 2 calls for:]

"The gradual dissolution - again if in any way possible - of the Orthodox Jewish faith, with its obsolete teaching, its separative emphasis."

She constantly wrote about the Jews in a hateful and genoncidal manner. She wrote the above in '48, 3 years after the friggen holocaust.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 01:45 AM
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Yes, the diacritical marks are what allow us to translate properly.
And what allow us to know that Molech was and is a derogatory insult to the god called Melek (King) by his people.

You may think your religion breeds people who are perfect, but nobody here is. That is a dangerous delusion to have, but one necessarily spawned by your religion.

You have to realize that I got my degrees in ancient Near Eastern Religions, and beyond that my "gnostic freemason tutors" taught me well. I'm not failing to understand you. I'm just disagreeing with you.

Also, Hecate and Athena do not equal the same archetype.
Hecate = Hel = Ereshkigal.
She has nothing to do with Athena.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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You're right in that the Christian covenant has nothing to do with Yahweh.
Thankfully.
Paul really did a number on the people, didn't he?
Just something else my gnostic freemason tutors taught me.

You know, you can be as pro-Yahweh as you want, I really don't care.
What bothers me is the self-righteous tone in your posts.
There ain't nobody on this planet that deserves to be self-righteous.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by frozenspark
If you can even call that figure an owl. And isn't that picture of Bohemian Grove from Alex Jones? If so, how sure are you that he is to be trusted anyway.


Because ive seen the footage, where it has bin taken.

Understand by placing comments like that people really get anoint, its a fact of documentation that its there.

But to meet you half way Alex Jones name makes thing fishy quickly.
But the owl is there... I believe



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