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Obama Birth Certificate; 'Document allegedly obtained in Kenya sent to every member of Congress'

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posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth
This is information anyone would have to give to get a job RIGHT?


The hospital they were born in and the name of the Dr. who delivered them? No, that information is not required to get a job.




posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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The appropriate people checked his records and confirmed he was and is eligible. You don't show your SSN or birth certificate to every member of your company, do you?



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
This is information anyone would have to give to get a job RIGHT?


The hospital they were born in and the name of the Dr. who delivered them? No, that information is not required to get a job.





That's funny.

The first question I get asked during every interview is "who delivered me" and "can I prove it beyond the normal means".

I still don't know.

- Lee



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
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Comparing this to rape and battered women is not something I'd have expected from you of all people on here. Wow, so since he has the ability to end this but chooses not to, you make that leap, and yet the birthers are crazy........I guess there truely is no debating this if you'll stoop to such a level.......wow, and all this time I thought you were more rational.

[edit on 8-9-2010 by adifferentbreed]


This is a whole lot of whining. John McCain was born in Panama. Where's the big stink?



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur
[Thanks for making my point.


Sure, if you say so.


I'd love to do that, but the source document or vital records are not being shared with us (not in the case of Obama, though McCain shared his) so in the absence of the facts there are questions.


He isn't obligated to share his long-form with you.
What he did share is valid and proof enough to establish his citizenship for the United States Congress.

Even Tim Adams, the guy you linked to as possible proof that Obama is lying, knows and concedes to this obvious fact, admits that he didn't see any of Obamas documents, and says this is all a bigoted witch-hunt.

Again, check your sources.


And the questions could be answered if the vital records were shared, so the people that have the facts aren't sharing them, in the case of Hawaii because they aren't allowed to share the facts with anyone without Obama's permission and in the case of Obama because he doesn't want to.So you and I are after the same thing, the facts.


A few Hawaii State officials that deal with and look after birth records have themselves gone on record as stating that the information Obama provided correoberates with the documents they have.

That is a sharing of facts.
Unless you are calling them all liars.

Everything provided as hard evidence of Obama being a Kenyan citizen is either a hoax, or speculation that requires him to do all the work in proving the accusers arguments.


You are just satisfied with shoddier factual evidence than I am, perhaps because I have personally examined original records and source documents and found that computer representations made later of those source documents are not always accurate.


Yet you post up points from Tim Adams who is in opposition of your own stance, an "unbiased" video about how Obama is turning the country into a socialist nightmare, and a comparison between a Certificate from 1961 and 2000-2009 (give or take) as if these means anything.

You're satisfied with uninformed positions based on rumor and speculation that isn't even substantiated, not facts.
Like many others, you provide no evidence and rely on Obama to 'prove you wrong'. That's why when you post them up as potential sources you add the "but I'm not sure" clause. It's a bad approach to an argument, or debate. Provide facts, not possible facts.

I'm glad you "claim" to have examined original birth records, but again, I trust those who have worked with Vital Records in the State of Hawaii over your personal anonymous investigation.

Who knows what your credentials even are.

I hope the links you've been providing aren't part of your evidence findings because so far they haven't panned out or proved a single thing.

- Lee


edit on 12-9-2010 by lee anoma because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by aero56

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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I think that you are missing the point. We are all skeptics on ATS and we want solid proof of the validity of his BC. It's clear that Hawaii has sealed his BC.(refer to link on last post)
Obama wants control over what can be disclosed. (refer to previous link on EO-13489)

Why go through all these steps to keep his long form BC secret? Why not give us a look-see? Put the whole thing to rest.



What exactly is the "whole thing" you wish to put to rest? His birth place? His parents? What? And then, what would you do with the information?


Personally, I'd use the info to become premier of China. I see no reason why an outsider ought not be allowed to be Premier of that great nation.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 12:36 AM
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To your post at 8:17 on the 9th: I would add that obama tested the waters for global government when he began referring to himself as a 'world citizen'. This in itself is ambiguous, however, he groveled before every pimp in high places while simultaneously lowering our expectations of sovereignty. None of this was accidental. My concern is that at last zionists are being exposed as having complete control of our puppet presidents, well before obama, the kenyan who won an Illinois seat, as printed in newspapers around the world.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth

This is information anyone would have to give to get a job RIGHT?


edit on 11-9-2010 by Subjective Truth because: (no reason given)



Name of Hospital where you were Born and name of Doctor?
No, don't think so.
In fact, If you interview me for a job, there are things you have absolutely no business knowing, and some things you aren't even allowed to ask.
Of course these things often get sidestepped, but that doesn't make invasive employers right.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 04:40 AM
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You need to get educated and quit calling people liars. Fact remains that Nobama as a candidate for President he should have been more than forthcoming with any and all documentation and information that was needed. I see John McCain had no problems presenting his documentation. The world had on blinders when this fraud got elected but the blinders are finally coming off and people are finally questioning things.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
I see John McCain had no problems presenting his documentation.


You think a bad photocopy of his longform BC is enough? I can't see no seal on that one. And where is his short form? Why hasn't he released it, should say the same things, right? So why doesnt he just release it?
And where is the day by day account of his days as a prisoner of war?
I mean, he was POW in a communist country! Yet he keeps the documentation of what he did during that time sealed!



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Facts:

1) In Hawaii, at the time BO was born, anyone could claim they were born in that state. No proof was required, other than saying "oh sure, my child was born in this hopsital on this date".

2) In light of this, it would make sense to dig up the long form and present it publically. Something with the name of the doctor, footprint, etc. He's the President, I think we can expect a little more out of the guy than what is required to work at McDonalds.

3) His own grandmother says he saw him born in Kenya.

4) He has sealed up ALL records which could shed light on his citizenship (like school records). Millions spent on lawyers to keep it that was, too.

5) Things get even more murky when you consider that his father was a foreign national, that he was an Indonesian citizen in his childhood, traveled to Pakistan when people with US citizenship were fobidden (but Indo was OK), etc.

My hunch is the guy was born in Kenya, the mom rushed home, claimed he was born here ... and the secret was probably kept from BO himself until he was much older. Should he be removed as President because of technical glitch .. eh, not so sure.

And this whole McCain thing is a red herring. Congress passed a resolution that he be considered a natural born citizen due to the cirumstances surrounding his birth in Panama.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Guidance.Is.Internal
Facts:

1) In Hawaii, at the time BO was born, anyone could claim they were born in that state. No proof was required, other than saying "oh sure, my child was born in this hopsital on this date".


That is not a fact. DOCUMENTATION was required.



2) In light of this, it would make sense to dig up the long form and present it publically. Something with the name of the doctor, footprint, etc. He's the President, I think we can expect a little more out of the guy than what is required to work at McDonalds.


You're calling this a "fact"? This is an opinion, friend. You should learn the difference between the two.



3) His own grandmother says he saw him born in Kenya.


No, she didn't. That recording was tampered with and has been proven here on ATS MANY times. Check out this thread for the part of the conversation that was REMOVED in order to fool people like you. Listen to the COMPLETE audio for yourself.




MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.




4) He has sealed up ALL records which could shed light on his citizenship (like school records). Millions spent on lawyers to keep it that was, too.


He has spent money on lawyers, but nowhere is this money itemized to show that he spent it to seal records. There have been NUMEROUS lawsuits against him and answering these lawsuits takes money. This is not a fact, it's a suspicion.



5) Things get even more murky when you consider that his father was a foreign national, that he was an Indonesian citizen in his childhood, traveled to Pakistan when people with US citizenship were fobidden (but Indo was OK), etc


Again, not a fact at all. There is no proof or even suggestion (outsde of bloggers) that he was ever a legal citizen of Indonesia. And it's been proven many times here on ATS that travel to Pakistan was not forbidden at all.



My hunch is the guy was born in Kenya,


If your "hunch" is based on your "facts" then we've got a problem.




Congress passed a resolution that he be considered a natural born citizen due to the cirumstances surrounding his birth in Panama.


And Congress passed a resolution stating that Obama was born in Hawaii. What? You accept one, but not the other?



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic



Congress passed a resolution that he be considered a natural born citizen due to the cirumstances surrounding his birth in Panama.


And Congress passed a resolution stating that Obama was born in Hawaii. What? You accept one, but not the other?


I'm not really that interested in this because I don't care - - and think it is taking away from the president doing his job - - and citizens who could put their time to better use.

But - - has it ever been established Obama was born in any hospital? Couldn't he have been born at home? If born at home - - doesn't one just have to register a birth with the Dept of Vital Statistics?

Regarding citizens born on military bases out side of America. Yes a law was past - - but in discussions - - it was stated there was no retro active part of that law - - for those born before the law.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
But - - has it ever been established Obama was born in any hospital? Couldn't he have been born at home? If born at home - - doesn't one just have to register a birth with the Dept of Vital Statistics?


As far as I know, it has never been established that Obama was born at a hospital. We only have his word and the many articles and sources that make this claim at this time. So, yes, he could have been born at home. And yes, his birth would have been registered with the Health Department.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Annee
But - - has it ever been established Obama was born in any hospital? Couldn't he have been born at home? If born at home - - doesn't one just have to register a birth with the Dept of Vital Statistics?


As far as I know, it has never been established that Obama was born at a hospital. We only have his word and the many articles and sources that make this claim at this time. So, yes, he could have been born at home. And yes, his birth would have been registered with the Health Department.



OK - - who remembers their birth?

Anyone/Everyone who has a birth cert from Hawaii and is told by their mother they were born in Hawaii - - - is going to believe it is fact.

I find this whole thing very annoying. Especially the personal attacks.

Thank you. That's all.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Why won't this issue just go away?

I've abstained from commenting on the BHO Birth Certificate issue for as long as it has been an issue. Quite frankly, whether true or not is immaterial at this point. I would like the people who are involved in this to get a little perspective. We have assassination programs against American citizens, we STILL have the Patriot Act, we still have warrantless wiretapping, we still have 2 useless and costly wars.

Obama has a lot to answer for as does his predecessor. Why are we focusing on such a trite issue as this is beyond me.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
We have assassination programs against American citizens, we STILL have the Patriot Act, we still have warrantless wiretapping, we still have 2 useless and costly wars.
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Why are we focusing on such a trite issue as this is beyond me.


I can only speak for myself. The reason I don't focus on assassinations, the Patriot Act, the war and these other life and death issues, is that when I think about those things, coupled with the fear and hatred apparent in the American people, the greed and corruption of the people in power and the inevitable fall of our society that these represent, I feel a sense of sadness and hopelessness - as if no matter what I do or say, those issues are going to march forth. And there is nothing I can do about it.

I can't do anything about the Obama birth conspiracy, either. But it is meaningless. Something I can debate about all day long without facing thoughts about the destruction of the society and maybe even the country that I've grown very attached to.


My participation in these threads is not because I think the issue is important. It's because it's fun for me. It's a challenge. It stretches my mind and gives me the opportunity to read others' thoughts and examine my own doubts.

Those other issues are real. They matter. And I admit it - they're scary to me. So for me, it's not so much about being drawn to this subject - or religion or gay rights, where I post a lot - it's about them being safe.



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Indeed. But if you and I can come together on these issues(Check the thread in my signature), then together we might be able to get something done about it. Yes those issues are scary. But they won't go away if we avoid them, they'll just get more frightening.

This issue will go round and round and round and no one will be smarter, nothing will be better, nothing will be gained.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Why won't this issue just go away?

We have assassination programs against American citizens, we STILL have the Patriot Act, we still have warrantless wiretapping, we still have 2 useless and costly wars.

Obama has a lot to answer for as does his predecessor. Why are we focusing on such a trite issue as this is beyond me.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


Because that's how distractions work. They play up on our individual prejudices and predispositions, and divide us into camps. I'd say a good majority of the criticism from the pundit-fueled faux-populist Right is of this more absurd, pointless quality. Accusations of 'Socialist" and "Muslim" and whatnot, that don't address reality at all. Sure, Obama's guilty of a lot of things, but if the Left is kept 'defending' Obama against absurd accusations, it keeps them from being more critical of his fairly centrist policies and potentially pushing him further to the Left.

I think the fact that it seems to motivate some of the more 'base' aspects of the Republican base is merely a bi-product. These folsk who will believe there is something to the birth certificate story are scrambled as a great distraction for the liberals out there who might otherwise be more predisposed to push Obama to be more of a 'progressive".



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 05:32 AM
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play assasin creed
u 2 will know the thruth
well only god knows that
evrythin in between is grey
to many sources
were battlin a concept
how do u beat that
u cant
get it?



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