reply to post by slugger9787
Basic human nature has a conflict between good and evil, virtue and vice, reason and passion.
I'm sure most would agree with the essence of what you're saying, regardless of their beliefs. Even Freud addressed these issues from the secular
humanist viewpoint, positing ideas like the "id" and the "ego".
But reading between the lines, sounds like you might advocate getting back to roots, recognizing the moral aspects of the issue, instead of ignoring
them. And some do seem to ignore some of the "moral" elements it seems, judging by some of the posts in this thread.
And yet, it also seems like the majority DO recognize a moral issue here, regardless of what side they're on. Otherwise, there would have been no
consensus when it came to "irresponsible" sex. That term implies that the ethical (or moral) has in fact been recognized.
SO, short of inviting people to church, or what have you, what could be a way for modern society to perhaps plug back into the "virtues", as you put
it, if those were the solution (or at least part of it)? Is it even possible in the dominant culture today, to "go back" if you will, to times when
virtue was held in higher esteem? How would that look? "Revival??"
I personally wonder if we can ever "go home". Two massive wars were fought, back-to-back, and when it was over, Europe, the West, was no longer the
same. Indeed, Europeans today are much more "post-Christian" than Americans, but then, Americans didn't have bombs falling on them in their own
country either. The post-war European could take a walk, and literally see the remains of cathedrals that had stood for centuries, all around them.
As they poked through the rubble of their past, it must have served as strong evidence that things could never be the same. And it never was the
This is our history. Maybe we can't go back, but certainly there are things we can do.
Or, is it hopeless? Or, is this something that will require drastic measures to resolve, especially considering the drastic situation in our history,
that has led us to where we are now?
I don't think there are any easy answers, but I'd like to think there is still hope.