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Petraeus: Burning Quran Endangers Troops

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by DaMod
I cannot support any form of book burning even if it is the Quran. I would hope that there is no place left in society for book burning but obviously I am wrong.


I absolutely support their right to do this as ill advised as it is.

The problem is that while they have a right, do they truly have a need?

Further do they imagine that simply because it is their right to do this, that alone makes it right to do?

I am not condoning the action, in fact I condemn it, but I support the principle within the laws that allow such things to be done.

The fact remains though that just because you have a right to do something, doesn't make what you are doing right.




posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Let me take you seriously..

You claim it is only a book, can a book kill you?

It seems this book can, so don't mess with it



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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If you take a bit of time to think,you may come to understand that the point we are discussing here is if burning korans could lead to more US/allied soldiers deaths in afghanistan.
I think it would,as we have seen how easy it is to wind up these goons just by drawing a cartoon etc.

If you think its all just great for more soldiers/afghans to die needlesy over such things I pity you,I really do.

You already bought your Koran and matches I take it...

[edit on 7/9/2010 by Silcone Synapse]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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Well there is a intellectual approach to the situation.

Of course there are thankfully those that would still prefer to search for common ground and celebrate one another's differences instead of fearing them.

As you demonstrate the kill or be killed mindset is not restricted to any one side or even any one religion.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Really?
Its interesting how these sort of stories get so much play/attention. Its almost like the media loves to instigate hate within the population. Works every time.

This is just something to argue about. WHO CARES?



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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You know another poster said a very interesting thing in relation to this on another thread.

I am not religious, I do not believe in the Judean-Christian-Islamic concept of God.

Yet, what if this God actually exists, and what if he does favor all the Children of Abraham that do in fact also include Muslims and Islam.

What if it turns out that burning a book like the Quran which is a testament to this God actually upsets him.

What if it's not angry Muslims who take a measure of revenge and retribution but the very same God that Jews, Christians and Muslims worship.

As people of 'faith' yet apparently very limited faith, such Christians are not only displaying an obscene level of arrogance in their self belief that all other scriptures are false and not related to the same God, yet in essence risking that God's ire and wrath by making that assumption.

This God might in fact if he exists love all his Chilren Jews, Christians and Muslims alike and he might take true offence to this act.

He is billed in all the various testaments as a somewhat angry, vengeful and jealous God.

So pardon me for being so blunt, but what these aparently most ignorant of all Christians don't understand is that the one entity they might be offending the most by burning the Quran would be their very own God.

Lets face it, no matter how you want to twist the politics of hate and fear, it really is just hate and fear, and no matter who or what may have wronged you, wronging them back, and two wrongs don't make a right.

In fact this act is in violation of the very Golden Rule itself, do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

So at the very least these excuse me for being blunt again, most ignorant of Christians are inviting having their own books burned in return.

Now I don't believe for a second that all Christians are that ignorant, just as I don't believe for a second all Muslims are that ignorant.

Ignorance though is ignorance.

For those who are completely devoid of common sense I leave you with this one:

Those who play with fire are bound to get burned.

Burning any book is just a bad idea, let alone one that 1/3 of the world considers to be a holy one.

Being Christian and being American should not = STUPID



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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This thread suggests the church are praying to see if they should go ahead and with their witch/oops I mean Koran burning.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Quick!
Someone send Gen.Petreus over there with his boys and a holosonic,narrow beam audio device to broadcast the "voice of god" at them telling them not to be so silly...

I have to wonder if they decide god tells them not to burn the books-was all this just a shameless publicity stunt?



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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This is an act of war. They would not be doing this unless they wanted to provoke a reaction. These extremists are just as dangerous as the Islamic extremists. The sad thing is though ignorant #wits on both sides will be targetting everyone who is not on their side, which means many people who have nothing to do with this childish behaviour will suffer.

Just remember, regardless of what YOU believe in, you have no right at all to enforce your beliefs on others. To label ALL Westerners the enemy because of the actions of a minority is ignorant and wrong. Likewise to do the same to all Muslims - and even those who just "look Muslim" ie not white.

Religion is good for NOTHING. I hope people wake up to this fact before it is too late.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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I think its a foolish act by people who are attempting to connect with peoples knowledge of history.

They try to incite memories of previous book burnings.
Now heres where I think they are doing a publicity stunt-
throughout history books have been burned not as a protest,but in attempts to erase all trace of particular peoples from thie earth.Hitler and the khmer rouge being the recent examples,although its happened many times before that.

These(potential) koran burners have tried to tap into the public knowledge on book burning for sensational gains and media coverage.

If they burn books or not its worked I guess,they have got media coverage.

Thing is these folks know they can not destroy all copies of the Koran,so I am left to believe that all they wish to do is stir up hate between people.

Its a symbolic act designed to incite retribution IMO.
Whos running this church I wonder?
The federal church of fema patsy worship maybe?



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 01:25 PM
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I do not agree with the article entirely
Because these idiots are putting the blame on the people.

Sure those that burn the book are complete idiots, yes there's no doubt about that.

But i'm pretty sure that troops being overseas and having a huge base in Iraq as big as the vatican and killing civilians just might be putting the troops more in danger than rednecks deciding to burn the book.

the book burning has nothing to do with troops, they are trying to start a domestic race war. The troops are about the troops.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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A couple of things....first, while I agree it could put some more soldiers in danger, if the general is that concerned, I dunno maybe change the ROE.......seems we are still the only Army, in the world, that has to make sure we fight with both hands tied behind our back. Secndly, I see people saying this is legal yes, but still wrong.....some of these are the same people who are speaking exactly the opposite about the mosque. Seems it's o.k. to upset Ameicans here at home, but don't dare upset the muslims overseas. Seems rather hypocritical to me. Although I do think it will incense most of the muslims........it is constitutionally protected.....can't have it both ways. Again, if the general really worries about the troops....change the ROE, let the dogs loose and end it quick.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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I agree with you that it's our own government's fault for placing the troops in harms way, and am entirely against the wars, and the war on terror.

Much of the war on terror involves media, terrorizing the people of the nation, some who are ignorant enough to take it so seriously, that they imagine in some bizarre way that burning Qurans is some kind of defensive patriotic measure.

Usually when religious books are burned it’s because sects are proselytizing in the wrong place. For instance it’s against the law to hand out Bibles in Israel, and the Government will collect them and burn them. It’s against the law for any religion including Islam to proselytize in Afghanistan, so year if you get caught with a stash of holy books you are giving away to people who don’t already practice that religion, they take them away and burn them.

This isn’t a reaction to Muslims proselytizing these are people going out and obtaining a Quran at their own time and expense just to burn it.

That’s just at the very least having way too much time on your hands!

At the worse it’s just a xenophobic act of intolerance that makes us all look retarded by extension.

As I have said it’s their right to do so, I defend that, but it’s also my right to say I don’t see how it could possibly be right, just to offend people for the pure sport of offending them.

I remain grateful though, that at least they aren’t burning porno magazines and books.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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I don't see how this endangers troops much more than it endangers the people who are going to commit this act or US civilians in general.

I wouldn't be surprised if extremists gatecrashed the Church and mowed the ignorant [snip] down.



 

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Fooks I wouldn't condone burning a copy of the wizard of oz... Books contain the knowledge, artistic integrity and life stories of the human race. Nothing good comes from book burnings.

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Thank you and have a nice day. Oh I'm sorry Tak u nd hve gd day.





 

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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Book burning?

Sounds like NAZI GERMANY.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Well, here we go again, where some Americans and ATS Members are going to evoke their right to free speech and a “two wrongs make a right” mindset to justify what is bound to be patently offensive and inflammatory to some.


Two wrongs don’t make a right, and free speech really is a responsibility not a permission slip to be patently offensive.


My friend, that's the most sense I've seen on ATS in a long while, really refreshing, thankyou.

Your view, especially the latter part is exactly how I feel.

all the best, Kiwi



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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As a christian,I don't agree with this preachers plans.
We should not burn their holy book...BUT,
They shouldn't burn ours,burn our flag and behead our
people either!



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Yet, what if this God actually exists, and what if he does favor all the Children of Abraham that do in fact also include Muslims and Islam.

What if it turns out that burning a book like the Quran which is a testament to this God actually upsets him.


Oh yes.. I agree. A very very very bad idea indeed. Well... we shall soon find out. I'll bet it's not going to be pleasant.


One thing we can be sure of, US troops are not gaining support they hope for. Not at all.

Allow me to predict. If I'm wrong then I'm human which of course I am. Hahaha.

In near future US-NATO coalition forces is going to face serious problem. If there's any hope for suppressing insurgency I think US troops can forget about it already.

Sigh.. this has to be stopped or Taliban will rule Afghanistan in end.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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Interesting post and replies:
There are many different issues beyond the original topic here presented. The General has forgotten one thing: In any armed conflict, people die on both sides, it is the nature of such. And I believe that he has forgotten the one thing, that is that it is in the Constitution of the United States that we do have the freedom of speech. That freedom, to include the burning or the destruction of media, books, flags, and recordings, as protected by the Law, as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States. Namely: U. S. vs O'Brien (1968)
Schact vs. U. S. (1970)
Spence vs. Washington (1974)
Texas vs Johnson (1989)
While my personal views on this action is one of disgust and where I would not want to be near said group, I will however, defend their right to do such, even to the point of putting myself in harms way to defend their right to do it. To do any thing else, would only serve to show hypocracy and an unequal justice inthe country, along with opening a door that no one wants to see opened. If the Muslim world wants to make a greater statement, it should be to just shake their heads, state it is a shame to destroy knowledge and then ignore it. By ignoring the action that is made here, and not giving into the rhetoric and endless debate shows that they would take a higher road of morality that they are professing. By giving in, and taking the bait, all they are doing is showing that they are indeed for violence and failing to understand that the right to free speech also guarantees that we do have the right to ignore that speech and walk right on by, or change the channel or even just not to purchase something.
The majority of the country does believe in the freedom of expression, however that same majority views the islamic faith as being one of violence. A majority of the news outlets and media shows the acts of agression done by a few extremist, and those who follow the islamic faith in the west, do not do much in the way of PR to gather the support of the general population. They often scream and demand, instead of supporting and joining the culture of the countries they now live in.



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