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UFO History From Aurora, TX 1897 to Rosewell, NM 1947 and Beyond - Government Lies Cover Up and proj

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 06:42 AM
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Good Evening All,

I have decided to merge my most recent post into a new thread as it is a seperate topic to begin with and has more information. I have been reading up and researching as much as possible, although let me say i still have a long way to go.

I guess the easiest way or format to put this would be more like a timeline of events, as we go i will provide quotes, links and whatever relevant information i can, and please by all means add as much info to this as possible.

I truly think this is what sites like ATS are for, collaboration and investigation across the globe. We have access to the WWW and to as much free information as possible, with many FOIA releases coming year after, some censored and some not it does make our job easier but still we are unable to ever solve the puzzle of UFO's, their origin, thier purpose or goals and more importantly do the governments of the world know more than they will tell us '' the public ''

Well enough philosphy as bad as it was and let me begin.

Early Beginnings....

Aurora, TX - April 17, 1897

The story of the demolished windmill, a crashed craft and a spaceman with a fitting and respectfull buriel.






So what really happened, well unfortuantly we still do know for sure but this may have been an amazing and monumental event, the first known or recovered crash in US history.

The information i provide now is bits and pieces from other sources which i will give full credit to at the end of this first chapter.




In 1896 and 1897, reports of mysterious airships using powerful searchlights were being reported all over the United States, from California to Illinois. Hundreds of people reported seeing one of these airships in several counties in Texas. On Monday morning a little after 6 a.m., April 19, 1897, the airship crashed in Aurora on Judge James Spencer Proctor's place, destroying the windmill over his well along with the judge's flower garden. There was a big explosion, and debris was scattered over several acres. The airship pilot was nursed in a local barn but died that day.


www.findagrave.com...




Some of the debris also revealed material sketched with a type of hieroglyphic. The town folk gave the poor little creature a proper burial in the local cemetery.


www.ufocasebook.com...

Original Newspaper Article from 1897:



Now i like many of you can only go on the articles and information posted thusfar, although there is a document from the MJ-12 archive i would like to share and which is also relevant to a coming chapter but i will post now and then again later for reference.

Please note the final paragraph in which George C Marshall talks about ongoing plans / efforts etc but he mentiones 1897 as almost a starting point when talking about looking at sightings onwards from 1897, a very strabge date to start from, why would he have picked that date?

Here is the document:

www.majesticdocuments.com...

References:

www.archives.gov...

www.majesticdocuments.com...

www.unmuseum.org...



Chapter 2 to come shortly - 1942 - Battle of L.A.



I would also like to add as edit that in this era there was no flying object in the sky at all, known or unknown, this was still 5 years from the wright brothers flight that would lead to the revolution of flight. However there may have been balloons etc but i just wanted to add that.
That in this day and age seeing or reporting UFO's has become almost mainstream, seeing heli's planes etc is the norm but in those days it was very rare to see anything in the sky apart from birds... keep that in mind when reading this thread.

Thanks GEL - and pass on my thanks to the staff forum

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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Ch 2 - 1942 The Battle of Los Angeles


What really happened that day - it was early morning Feburary 25, 1942.

Suddenly Air raid sirens sounded, spot lights in the air looking for phantom planes or fighters, almost 1500 anti aircraft rounds were fired into the air, and up to this day with little or no official explantion of what happened or what caused the panic.

First some photos and images:










All photos courtesy :

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Then there is this front page headline in the Long Beach Press Telegram:

www.ufocasebook.com...

Also with some associated documents of great interest to this subject.

Now a post a made recently in a nother thread but i think is worth sharing here and the main reason i started this new thread:

In Regard to the Interplanetery Phenomenon Unit, well the same sez it all lol.

But i have been trying to look into this more, now the original Wiki page was deleted but is still available here:

deletionpedia.dbatley.com...(deleted_13_Aug_2008_at_22:02)

Now there is one part that stood out to me and that i have been hearing around:



However, another MJ-12 related document of questionable authenticity, indicated the unit was supposedly established early in 1942 by General George Marshall following a well-publicized UFO incident, the so-called "West coast air raid" or "Battle of Los Angeles" in which an unidentified object or objects over Los Angeles resulted in a massive anti-aircraft barrage.


Now let's look at 1942 to start with, what if this should the fames Rosewell incident? In other words we all look at Rosewell as the first case of crash ot possible contact but what if this had already been going on for 5-6 years.
Courtesy of UFO Reality's post above are better copies of some of the MJ-12 documents and one of them supposedly relates to the formation of the IPU ( Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit )

Doc: www.majesticdocuments.com...

Now that is fine and people will say well it may be Hoax, and yes maybe it is, but lets also look somewhere else.

The Presdential Executive Order Dissposition Table / Archive. Now there was one that stood out to me around the time of this letter and the not long '' The battle of L.A.''





Executive Order 9078 - Establishing the Army Specialist Corps

•Signed: February 26, 1942
•Federal Register page and date: 7 FR 1607, March 3, 1942



www.archives.gov...

Also on the same page nor far down from the order was another relating to Nevada:




Executive Order 9086

Withdrawing Public Lands for Use of the War Department as a General Bombing Range; Nevada

•Signed: March 4, 1942
•Federal Register page and date: March 7, 1942 7 FR 1746
•Amended by: EO 9526, February 28, 1945; Public Land Order 2613, 27 FR 1759



Now does this directly relate to the formation of the IPU, for the best part of it's life the IPU was linked to the Army directly and the merged into other area of defence.

I'm sure with many hours to spare you could find many interesting acts signed in this archive, i guess it's one of places we think might be to obvious but does something of interest.

Also another link of great interest that i also posted in my previous thread was of an interview of Mrs June Crain a former Military Employee frim the late 40's and early 50's - she worked at wright patterson and other bases.

It is a long transcript but very intruiging and worth the read, this is the sorta thing we look for. We often say well why wont someone who worked there or saw the evidence come forward, well this is it, this is what we want and we should take notice!

If we dont take notice of this or others that come forward and dismiss them has fraud then what is the point of wanting them to come forward in the first place...

Many of you have developed a menatlity that yu want proof or want direct witness's but when one comes along you are quick to dismiss them as fake.

Seriously read this interview:

www.ufocasebook.com...



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 07:45 AM
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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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Thank you to GEL to reopening this thread and instead closing the original thread, although it was credible in some ways and had some valuable information, this one expands on that and will continue too.

As i said earlier, this thread will continue to grow in between member posts and look out for ch 3 - Roswell, probablt the most highlighted and talked about of all but in truth the last of three great events, and probably many more that the government has learnt to cover up in much better detail.... Their cover up and '' classification '' is our ignorance and thier lie to us. The government is supposed to keep the publics best interest in mind but yet!! to justify its means uses the excuse that the public will panic or cannot handle the truth or cannot decide foritself it's fate...... what crap, what sht. I can decide for myself, to be honest looking at my own government, i could probably make better than decisions than itself.. but hey thats just me and topic for a totally sperate thread....

But really we continue to this '' shadow excuse'' that the public could handle the truth and if told anarchy would rule? Well hmmm i think not!

But look this is thread dedicated to fact.. or more so available info on topics above. So please please sare ur thoughts and information, as i said earlier this is a place for world wide collaboration and discussion! It is a beautiful thing and should be cherished, because this is really a first. although not offically recognised, it is a true first, this and many other subjects!! We should embrace this, use this forum, work with eachother worldwide and take advantage of this while we can. To be honest it is hard to say how long this will last. But embarce your chance to collaborate and work together.

We are united world wide!! in this place and in this forum. We have a chance to investigate from many different perspectives and view points.

Use it and enjoy it



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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P.S. thank you GEL .. ur a champ



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Before we move onto to ch 3 lets go back to the late 40's and 50's..

Dr Vannevar Bush

Well this is subject and man is mystery in some ways but made very public in others.

I will let you the reader make your own mind up.

Here is some interestind reading though...





Canadian government documents from 1950 and 1951 involving the Canadian Defence Research Board, Department of Transport, and Embassy in Washington D.C., implicate Bush as directing a very secret UFO study group within the U.S. Research and Development Board.[5] (See also Majestic 12) Bush's participation in this group is further documented by Stanton Friedman in his book "Top Secret/Majic" (Marlowe & Company, New York, NY 1996).





Bush introduced the concept of what he called the memex (possibly derived from "memory extension") during the 1930s, which he imagined as a microfilm-based "device in which an individual stores all his books, records, and communications, and which is mechanized so that it may be consulted with exceeding speed and flexibility. It is an enlarged intimate supplement to his memory." He wanted the memex to behave like the "intricate web of trails carried by the cells of the brain"; essentially, causing the proposed device to be similar to the functions of a human brain. It was also important that it could be easily accessible '"a future device for individual use... a sort of mechanized private file and library" in the shape of a desk'. The important feature of the memex is that it ties two pieces together. Any item can lead to another immediately. Bush explains how the human mind works differently than traditional storage paradigms. For example, data is often stored alphabetically, and to retrieve it one must trace it down from subclass to subclass. The brain, Bush explains, works by association rather than index, and with the brain being one of the "awe-inspiring" phenomena in nature, one should learn from it. [1]


Here is the wiki link:

en.wikipedia.org...

Did this man know more than most of us wish to know today, sadly probably so and being a true patriot he did not want to go against his classification or clearance to tell of such things..

Here is a clip from his rare interview which is his supposed part 13 interview of the world at war doco..



I can undertsand in some ways his reluctance to talk about issues relating to national security. I myself was in the navy for 1 year as a trainee ET ( Electronic Tech ) and i understand many of you might say '' oh well he is just saying that, it is for excitment and exageration, well i have decided to post my military records as proof that i was in that role, and although iwas not in the role long enough or deep enough to be privvy to such info i know what is involved in obtaining ang mainatianing a security clearance.

please a word of caution, do not randomly spread my name, and to any person higher than normal sec clearance i have not spread any secure information!

I went through 30+ pages of inforation and documents to rec my '' Secret clearance ' 'and had friends enlisted and saw thier 100+ pages of information and forms to obtain Top Secret Clearance...

It is quite an arduase task and had head many times in the Navy that '' loose lips sink ships '' slogan and please know that i do not share anyhting i learnt on the job but things i have obtained that are freely available on the

As i said earlier i was never privvy to secret of classified information relating to UFU's or related tech - although i do believe the majority of information and tech stems from UFO interaction from the 1880's to the 1950's - the bulk of human tech from that point is a direct relation to UFO interation, Radar, Optic Fibre, Internet, Tv, Digital Signal, Stealth Tech, and many many other programs, Directed Energy weapons, the common Microwave oven and more sinister the Microwave Weapon and Microwave Communication... the list goes on and on....

My main point for posting my Navy docs was to to show you and explain the difficulty in sharing information ince you are within that circle. If i was to share how modern GPS or communication systems work i could e locked up, or modern Navy warfare systems and how the work, you might never here from me agian, i might be lovked up in Holsworthy Military Base/ Prison for as long as they want.

It is this fear that stops many citizens from coming forward... although they are citizens now they are still boundby Military laws.

I will give one example that i can still share, when i was first applying for a '' Secret '' classifiaction, the forms are enormous, really crazy and almost a total life history.

In criminal background i wrote about when i was 14 yrs old i was a passenger in a stolen car and that the judge at that time had given me an accountable undertaking and had been given a 5 yr good behaviour bond.

Now any Citezen or or normal court would look at that as a jouvenille case and not look twice but because it related to national security i was interviewd bu ASIO for 3 hours on all the fine details of that case - even know this was 6 years later and i was now an adult.

In the end they knew i was telling the truth and i was granted a clearance but it was ordeal, and i feel for 3 of my friend that were enlisted at EWL's ( Electronic Warfare Linguists ) they had to go through Top Sec Clearance and i still dont know what the process was, but it was more intenece then me!!


This may seem meaningless in regard to my post but in amny ways it relates to this and many issues we have tried to find info on. The many people thart have been involved directly or indirectly are trapped and scarred that if they tell what has happened, they will locked up or worse.

The only people we have are people on thier death bed and dont care anymore, and when they tell the truth we dismiss it as a Hoax....!!! WTF have some respect and know when to believe!!

Edit: to the above post, i am currently emailing the DOD contact on that letter as i served for 12 months in RAN and that letter servie states i was there for 3 months.
Also let me add the process in trying to leave the Navy was almost impossible, once you sign the day 64 contract you are thiers for 6 years literally!

I had to see docs and phychs etc it took along time almost 4 months to leave the DOD.

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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So arrree apparently no one is interested in this this topic??

A topic that leads to and is souce of all UFO cases, that are held and kept by the government u '' trust ''

hmmmmmm!!!



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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I'm interested and I'm sure later in the day more will see it too.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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Thank you for ur interest, i know it is ealry their in the US, and i have to say one thing, given it is almost the 9 yr anniversary they aired a doco on Free to Ar 2nite about 9/11 and i wanted to pass on my sorrow and sympanthy, although i am also sorry to say and mean to offence to the public that i do not beleive the government of the time handles it well at all and the Iraq war is still raging on with many Citizen deaths etc. I feel for you and if that had happned on our soil i would be angry but i still beleive froma third party perspective that the Iraq way was not right.

Anyways i want to pass on my sorrow and sadness to anyone that lost someone in 9/11.

Although it is not the aniversary it is close enough and the docu tonight was sad....

There may be some parts of it that i beleive were not real and hmmm but that is not for me to say and i am sorry ur country had to endure such a crisis, loss of life and a sad time.




Live for Truth Guys.... Why else do we flock to ATS but for truth and justice!
We are the public and the citizens of this world, we are the majority of human life and what WE want and what WE beleive makes a difference and we should always fight for a voice and our opinion.. the government effectively works for us and should work for us, and we should control it... Not it control us!


We just need to learn that protest and voice is the way of the people and we should never forget that. Strength in numbers and that is exactly what we have! Strength in numbers, but the powers that be - attempt to seperate us and extuingish us and make us think we are alone... BUT WE ARE NOT... AND NEVER FORGET THAT!!! NEVER!

ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE!! = we might think that is corny and from a movie, but to be honest that stands true era after era and it always stand true that if live by that we will always have our needs heard and our wants met!!!

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Also can i ask any member that reads this thread, WTF is this clip because it has really done my head in and all the writings and sources written within, i cannot find any reference to?

www.youtube.com...

As you will see it some one that appears to be drawing in fast motion to begin with but i am starting to think there is more to it, and any of the subsiquant writing or reference is a mystery?

It does in some how relate to Vannevar Bush and '' a super secretary'' but the images and drawings within this clip are truly facinating and really may be possibly '' out of this world '' .... full punn intenended


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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Stil wondering where is the discussion?

Or are the facts and evidence to old for discussion, it does infact lead to the beggining of if all!!

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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great thread and I glad you pointed out that Roswell may not or most likely wasnt the first recovered craft. Although I had heard about both these cases, I still thought of Roswell as being the 1st so thanks for the big eye opener



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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The most intriguing case to me, because it's hardly mentioned in the 'mainstream', is the 1941 Cape Girardeau Missouri crash. This has been called the "Roswell" before the crash in New Mexico.

If you're going down the list of known significant crashes, you should do a review of this case before you go to the 1942 Battle of LA.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 10:42 PM
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I am definitely interested, though it is going to take me a day or two to read over all of this and process everything (in my own limited way) before I can comment further.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 11:06 PM
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That's my thing too, I have no experience of the previous topic that came before this or anything. So I feel alittle lost because I wasn't involved.

Anyway, I'll be checking in and reading up when I can. I hope others come in and get the thread rolling.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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Great thread well done


Im going to have to take a bit of time to cover all of this. Actually i have researched these cases before probably in not as much detail and but am quite familiar with them and find them to be extremely compelling to say the least. These are some of the most incredible UFO cases and suggest without a shadow of a doubt imho there is a advanced species or intelligence interacting with us, casing our military installations and observing us. The real question is who and what and where do they come from? Im still unsure if it really is off world ET's or dimensional beings however we cant keep ignoring this at least those who insist this has not been happening.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 12:21 AM
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I would scratch off Aurora, TX story.... It was a hoax attempt to rebuild the community, in which failed. Even the guy who wrote the story claimed it was a hoax!



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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S&F

good thread. im surprised there hasnt been many replies. but then again its a pretty fresh thread.

i have heard about both of these topics. the battle for L.A. is good evidence that some kind of advnaced technology is out there. where did it come from? who knows. i would like to believe its E.T. but then again it could have been the nazi's at that time right? there had already been reports of foo fighters by then (tesla technology IMHO) and the vril. so its possible it was them getting caught on a recon/test mission. If i was the US military and the nazi's were on the west coast with unknown aircraft then i would say make it seem alien too.. how embarrasing that america wasnt the most technologically advanced right? but then again. maybe it was an interplanetary craft.

the case about the crash where the pilot was buried i remember hearing that someone said it was a hoax. then i saw something about it on UFO hunters. i cant remember for sure about that case but its something to look into. i know im going to be looking into these topics all day at work lol. and probably have alot to add tonight.

there was a time i was obsessed with ufo reports from before recorded flight. (other then balloons) and if i can find some of them i will post them here. i read some reports from eye witnesses that were incredible. how would they know to describe those things when planes were not even in the sky yet? that alone should prove E.T. is out there...

looking forward to this thread growing.



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 04:08 AM
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Thanks i will check it out, i hadnt heard of that - perhaps before i add Roswell i will need to add prequel chapter



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 07:21 AM
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Wher is that info coming from, dont you think that in 1897 a much better publicity story could have been hatched if they wanted attention??

Also the town of Aurora is still around today - over 100 years later so i do not think they had any trouble keeping the town going....
Come on in that day and age, that would have been to much of a risk, too '' cooky '' to attempt as a publicity stunt, dont ya think?



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