Originally posted by frozenspark
Did Jesus really exist?
What do ATSers think about this subject?
I think there has been a positive ripple effect, detailed below....so yes I think he did (does) exist...
Let's think about things if he hadn't...hmm…..A world with out Jesus? How would slaves fair? Not Good! Yes, it’s true we Christians allowed
slavery in the American past. This was an erroneous belief. Please see (Exodus 21:16 and 1 Timothy 1:10) for the biblical condemnation of slavery.
Christianity lifted the roles of those oppressed, by accepting women and slaves as full members. Historians credit the British evangelical William
Wilberforce as the catalyst for ending of the international slave trade (which happened before to the Civil War). Did you know that 2/3’s of the
members of the American abolition in 1835 were Christians.
How would women fair? Not Good! For many ancient cultures a wife was property of the spouse. Even Aristotle said a women was somewhere between a man
and a slave. Read Reasons for God by Tim Keller…"It was extremely common in the Greco-Roman world to throw out new female infants to die from
exposure, because of the low status of women in society. The church forbade its members to do so. Greco-Roman society saw no value in an unmarried
woman, and therefore it was illegal for a widow to go more than two years without remarrying. But Christianity was the first religion to not force
widows to marry. They were supported financially and honored within the community so that they were not under great pressure to remarry if they
didn't want to. Pagan widows lost all control of their husband's estate when they remarried but the church allowed widows to maintain their
husband's estate. Finally, Christians did not believe in cohabitiation. If a Christian man wanted to live with a woman he had to marry her, and this
gave women far greater security. Also, the pagan double standard of allowing married men to have extramarital sex and mistresses was forbidden. In all
these ways Christian women enjoyed far greater security and equality than did women in the surrounding culture. Also in India, widows were voluntarily
or involuntarily burned on their husbands' funeral pyres. The gospel spreaders/missionaries saw to it this practice stopped.
What about the Gladiator competition? It may still be going on…Telemachus, an early Christian is recognized as the one who stopped this barbaric
practice. What about cannibalism? Yep, alive and well is some countries…before Christian Missionaries, helped primitives grow up.
Would there be true compassion and mercy? Probably not! Jesus’ ministry gave an elevated position to the lowly. Notice the Good Samarian… it’s
still a part of a vocabulary . While there are good charitable efforts outside of the name of Jesus, Christain charities stand out. Mother Theresa,
the Salvation Army, religious hospitals, and church supported soup kitchens/thrift shops, etc. Saint Nick, too, was a saint.
How would Children fair? Not Good! Back in the day infanticide was not only legal, it was applauded. In Roman culture the killing one's own children
could be an act of beauty. It was the early Christian church that ultimately brought an end to infanticide. The modern pro-life movement is largely
Christian. This pro-life view has been true from the very beginning of Christianity. An early Christian document, the Didache, contained instructions
What about Education? Would be way behind! Remember Judeo/Christian tradition certainly put an emphasis on the written word. The phenomenon of
education for the masses has its roots in the Protestant Reformation. Please do a little research here.
Many of the fine Ivy League Schools used to be Bible Colleges…to promote Bible literacy, Christians have been leaders in education. With the advent
of the printing press at about the same time as the Protestant Reformation…many of the world's languages were first set to writing by Christian
missionaries in order for people to read the Bible.
To require education for the masses in America was first passed by the Puritans. "THE OLD DELUDER SATAN ACT." was a reference to the devil, who
Christians believe gets his foothold into people's lives because of their ignorance of Scripture.
Remember before Madelyn Marie O’hare, children's reading texts emphasized biblical literacy. This was so prevalent in colonial America, that John
Quincy Adams said in the early 1800's that the illiteracy rate was only 4/10th of 1 percent. By comparison, it has been estimated that in America
today, 40 million people are functionally illiterate.
Most of the first 123 colleges in America were Christian institutions. Harvard, for example, was founded on this statement: “Let every student be
plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal
life.” Who wouldathoughtit?
What about the arts? Non-existent! The Christian faith has influenced literature in such Christian writers such as Dante, Chaucer, Donne, Dostoevsky,
Shakespeare, Dickens, Milton, etc. Music? No! There may never have developed the cantata, the concerto, or the symphony. Handel, Vivaldi, and Bach
were Christians who worked to honor God with their work. Bach, signed all his work "Solely to the glory of God". Architecture? Boring! No
What about freedom? Government of the People? Nope! For one, America's first constitution was the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut. Remember the
Puritan framers of this document required that each aspect of it be grounded in Scripture…we used to be taught that in public school history! Also
50 of the 55 signers of the U.S. Constitution were Christians. Also, the truth of the sin nature played a role in the concept of our Constitutional
checks and balances system. Also the 10 commandments Helped form the idea of The Rule of Law rather than the authority of man…this traces back to
the Old Testament, and the Ten Commandments. And what about the idea that all men are created equal as enshrined in the Declaration of Independence?
This is certainly a biblical doctrine. Also, the sovereign authority of God (in the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, all 50 state
constitutions, our currency, etc.)--rather than the sovereignty of the state--is certainly biblical. Also, The Declaration of Independence—speaks
of, self-evident truths and unalienable rights from the Creator. Remember John Adams emphasized 2 Corinthians 3:17 as the basis for American civil
liberty. The slogan on the Liberty Bell is "Proclaim Liberty throughout the land unto all the Inhabitants Thereof" is from Leviticus 15:10.
Free Enterprise and the "Protestant work ethic?” Nope! We have two chooses…biblical capitalism and evolutionary capitalism. The emphasis on
biblical capitalism is servanthood--a Jesus teaching, right?. Evolutionary capitalism relies solely on survival of the fittest. Communism, too is an
atheistic system that relies on the non-biblical notion that all men are good…thus we have ‘the common good’ ???