Government Documents Shed Light on the battle of L.A 1942 and UFO craft that were recovered, page 1

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Topic started on 6-9-2010 @ 06:42 AM by Havick007

Good Evening All,

I came across an interesting PDF which i though was worth sharing. It also inclused government documents from FDR to the department of war discussing what happened that night and follow ups over the next couple of years.

Please take the time to read these documents as they are as close as i have seen so far to government documents that i could almost go as far to say as proof.

If what is in these documents is true, the government had recovered long before Roswell.

Enjoy:

www.ufocasebook.com...

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 07:29 AM by Havick007

I have also found another interesting document, or more a transcript from an interview between - Crain and Clarkson.

June Crain reportedly worked with intelligence circles in late 40's and 50's and worked at Wright Patterson around the time of Roswell.

Below are some exerpts and full transcript link at bottom of page.

I'm only 1/3 of the way through and really thought it was worth posting.

All even and I said “what is it?’ He said, “it’s a piece of a space ship.”

He called them little green men. He described them as a greenish-blue.

It is a very long interview but has many interesting parts to it, and as you read along the interviewer makes his own comments and process's he has gone through to validate as much as he could.

www.ufocasebook.com...

It is really worth the time.

Just wanted add another a couple more clips from the full interview:

''Yes. That’s what they fully believed it. And they also there was even some of them said we have them among us. And they have our shape and form and look just like ordinary people''

''

It was often discussed. Uh they kicked it around. One of the first things, is of course... So
many engineers and scientist do not believe in god. And he said the first thing it would
cause is a complete disbelief in this religious in this religion things. Because according to
the bible the god created the earth and all the people within it. And that’s it. Well then
this would prove that that’s not right. And uh they said that would be the first thing and
so the church would undoubtedly try to squelch any knowledge of it, that it’s real. And
then also they said another then the other another one of the contentions was that the first
thing they could do was lower the boom on all of us and stop us from killing each other.
Because we are such a deadly bloodthirsty bunch of people. And uh they would probably
establish some sort of government ruled by them that would prevent it would stop
starvation and all this. Mankind would be controlled more so than they are now by their
own government. But everybody would be controlled in the same manner. Which is
that’s pretty hard to think about. ''

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reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 08:35 AM by Son of Will

Wow, fascinating! I just have to quote the letter that F.D.R. supposedly wrote to the army Chief of Staff.

TOP SECRET

Top Secret gm 25
February 27, 1942
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
February 27, 1942

MEMORANDUM FOR
CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE ARMY

I have considered the disposition of the material in possession of the Army
that may be of great significance toward the development of a super weapon of war. I
disagree with the argument that such information should be shared with our ally the
Soviet Union. Consultation with Dr. Bush and other scientists on the issue of finding
practical uses for the atomic secrets learned from study of celestial devices precludes any
further discussion and I therefor authorize Dr. Bush to proceed with the project without
further delay. This information is vital to the nation's superiority and must remain
within the confines of state secrets. Any further discussion on the matter will be
restricted to General Donovan, Dr. Bush, the Secretary of War and yourself. The
challenge our nation faces is daunting and perilous in this undertaking and I have
committed the resources of the government towards that end. You have my assurance
that when circumstances are favorable and we are victorious, the Army will have the
fruits of research in exploring further applications of this new wonder.

You may speak to me about this if the above is not wholly clear.

F.D.R.

Is the legitimacy of this document in question? If not, then Wowee! It appears to be a legitimate F.O.I.A. release. I know all about the Battle of Los Angeles, but I've never seen this document before, personally.

ETA the actual document is more centered and neat-looking, I re-typed it from the PDF.

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reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 08:46 AM by IgnoreTheFacts

Wait, is this thread about the "battle of LA" or Roswell? I see no way to discuss both coherently in the same thread. Slow down, take a breath. The internet is full of .pdf's, documents, interviews about aliens/ufos/cover-ups. No need to cram two unrelated cases (as far as we know) in the same thread.

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 08:47 AM by Havick007

reply to post by Son of Will

I know that statement alone blew me away. I'm not 100% about authenticity, although i beleive the source site is legit, i mean i am sure they would not post bogus info on thier site.

I do truly think all the info we want and have been looking for is out there, we just need to spend the time looking. The amount of documents that are released each year and especially during the c;inton administration is huge but there is alot to sift through.

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 08:49 AM by Havick007

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

oh no i wasnt trying to do that, what i was getting at is that many people associate Roswell with the first crash etc, i was trying to say that we might need to look earlier.

oh and also here is a link to the source site, lots of good docs and articles etc:

www.ufocasebook.com...

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 08:55 AM by IgnoreTheFacts

Actually the more I think about it, on one hand in the battle for LA this "thing" sat there for a long time getting pelted by artillery, then on the other hand one of the crafts crashes at Roswell after getting hit by lightning (or maybe driver error...really needed a crash avoidance system, lol). So which is it, are these alien craft superdooper advanced and untouchable or are they fragile little things?

That's the problem with this stuff, so much of it is 100% opposite each-other.

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 09:01 AM by Tarrok

Very interesting transcript. Just finished reading it.

Quite interesting to read about the 'Q' security clearance. Do we know of any others? There's so much information out there that has been accumulating for over 60 years that it's hard to sift through it all.

This did read in a believable manner and seemed realistic. Especially considering she did not change her story since her last interview 7 years before that one.

I hope as more people get older and come forward, we'll see some sort of affirmative statements to this topic. Right up until now it's just been people and their stories. Compartmentalized secrecy is deviously hard to break through and find multiple people confirm the same story. That's its strength.

I don't know... it wont be enough for people. People need to see and touch a flying saucer/aliens in order to believe it. There's too much stigma to break through.

S&F

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 11:28 AM by ufo reality

These leaked documents are on Dr. Robert Wood's web site. I trust him. Rather amazing stuff:

www.majesticdocuments.com...

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 10:49 PM by IgnoreTheFacts

reply to post by ufo reality

Can you share with us the things that compel you to trust him? I am not aware of any non-biased reasons to trust him. He is one of those folks that seem to be trusted by those that have the desire and/or belief system that depends on people like him.

Please, show me the error in my ways....

reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 11:01 PM by game over man

Did I read this right, interplanetary craft? Am I interpreting this statement correctly, craft from with in our solar system? They could determine it came from one of our nearby planets? A planet to planet craft?

reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 12:18 AM by Gaderel

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

That reasoning is on par with comparing an F-22 with a hang glider. Not everything has the same physical properties just because its in the air.

reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 12:39 AM by airspoon

These "memos" were just recently discussed and debunked here on ATS, only a couple of weeks ago. Here is the thread: Battle for Los Angeles - New Leaked Evidence.

--airspoon

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reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 01:28 AM by witness63

Secret documents from the 1940s would look like these:

Here are some signed by FDR himself, although they have no security stamps at all, and do not seem to follow a standard military or State Department format. I have seen all kinds of secret documents that do not, in both draft and final form.

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reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 01:43 AM by witness63

Originally posted by game over man
Did I read this right, interplanetary craft? Am I interpreting this statement correctly, craft from with in our solar system? They could determine it came from one of our nearby planets? A planet to planet craft?

These are some of the famous "MJ-12" documents that were supposedly leaked in the 1980s and 1990s. Their authernticity has always been in question since they were not decalssified in the normal way through the National Archives.

I would never take an oath to swear to their authenticity, although I wouldn't necessarily make too much out of their style and format because those really can vary considerbly. Of course, if they ever look like something produced by modern word processors and printers, then that's obviously fake.

We do know that the Interplanetary Phenomeonon Unit was real, and was evidently run by the Army in the 1940s and 1950s, but no one has even been able to find its records and get them declassified. We don't even know who started it: some say General Marshall and Jimmy Doolittle, or possibly Gen. Marshall, to investigate "foo fighters" and things like that. Perhaps it even went further and some of these things crashed back them, but that's only rumors.

reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 03:28 AM by Havick007

reply to post by witness63

yeah but not all documents should look exactly the same, even in the same era.

reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 03:33 AM by Havick007

reply to post by witness63

Well going by these docs if they are authentic, Venever Bush might have had something to do with it.

I also found something else interesting, that in my second post about the interview, at the very beginning, June mentiones that she spent a short amount of time with Wernher von Braun, and that he was awaiting a budget approval for research, then in the leaked documents, Bush is trying to budget funding but has to wait untill the War is over. It might just be a coincence for completey unrelated.

reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 03:53 AM by Logarock

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Actually the more I think about it, on one hand in the battle for LA this "thing" sat there for a long time getting pelted by artillery, then on the other hand one of the crafts crashes at Roswell after getting hit by lightning

Great point. Maybe lightning would or could be so fundemental that it could effect the type of field that could repel flack and disrupt other systems.

reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 04:56 AM by Havick007

reply to post by witness63

In Regard to the Interplanetery Phenomenon Unit, well the same sez it all lol.

But i have been trying to look into this more, now the original Wiki page was deleted but is still available here:

deletionpedia.dbatley.com...(deleted_13_Aug_2008_at_22:02)

Now there is one part that stood out to me and that i have been hearing around:

However, another MJ-12 related document of questionable authenticity, indicated the unit was supposedly established early in 1942 by General George Marshall following a well-publicized UFO incident, the so-called "West coast air raid" or "Battle of Los Angeles" in which an unidentified object or objects over Los Angeles resulted in a massive anti-aircraft barrage.

Now let's look at 1942 to start with, what if this should the fames Rosewell incident? In other words we all look at Rosewell as the first case of crash ot possible contact but what if this had already been going on for 5-6 years.
Courtesy of UFO Reality's post above are better copies of some of the MJ-12 documents and one of them supposedly relates to the formation of the IPU ( Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit )

Doc: www.majesticdocuments.com...

Now that is fine and people will say well it may be Hoax, and yes maybe it is, but lets also look somewhere else.

The Presdential Executive Order Dissposition Table / Archive. Now there was one that stood out to me around the time of this letter and the not long '' The battle of L.A.''

Executive Order 9078 - Establishing the Army Specialist Corps

•Signed: February 26, 1942
•Federal Register page and date: 7 FR 1607, March 3, 1942

www.archives.gov...

Also on the same page nor far down from the order was another relating to Nevada:

Executive Order 9086

Withdrawing Public Lands for Use of the War Department as a General Bombing Range; Nevada

•Signed: March 4, 1942
•Federal Register page and date: March 7, 1942 7 FR 1746
•Amended by: EO 9526, February 28, 1945; Public Land Order 2613, 27 FR 1759

Now does this directly relate to the formation of the IPU, for the best part of it's life the IPU was linked to the Army directly and the merged into other area of defence.

I'm sure with many hours to spare you could find many interesting acts signed in this archive, i guess it's one of places we think might be to obvious but does something of interest.

There was one other area i wanted to point out, which is kinda off topic,

Roswell - July 5 1947

Only 20 or so days after that incident the National Security Act of 1947 was signed. Once again this might be timing or may be more, it's hard to say.

reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 05:46 AM by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by Son of Will

I know that statement alone blew me away. I'm not 100% about authenticity, although i beleive the source site is legit, i mean i am sure they would not post bogus info on thier site.

Havick007.....

Unfortunately, UFO Casebook makes mistakes, so you still must be very careful to further validate material on that site.

As one example, have a look at my recent thread pertaining to an error made on UFO Casebook about a well known UFO picture.....

UFO Picture: The Paul Villa Case, Mexico 1963

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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