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Manual on How to Molest Children Is Legal, Cops Say

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posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by Mobius1974
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I am wondering if you have amnesia. Do you remember typing that same thought now about 10 times? You are taking pleasure in riling me up. I understand your view on this. I disagree with your view. What else do we have to discuss?

I should know better. There are some subjects that I cannot for the life of me, seperate emotions and logic... This is one of those subjects. Have a great day.. You and I have nothing left to discuss, that has not been touched on 10 to 12 times. I say with all honesty. I hope that none of your loved ones are ever hurt by a child predator...



I have repeated myself to see if you could come up with anything new to defend your stance, but yes i am making the mistake of asking for logic and reason when you only have emotional responses. So yeah if it's all emotion that your arguments are based on then we can't take it any further i guess.

As for someone hurting my loved ones, well if that happened i wouldn't be reasoned and logical, i would be out to kill them, but that is why we don't allow victims to sit on juries i guess. I would love to say i could be calm and logical and apply the law in that situation but no sorry i would explode with rage.

Maybe saying irrational things and not being able to accept logic as a viable option?
So it would be safe to say, if this had happened to one of yours in the recent past, then you were approached as I have been here, reasonably, you would react with emotion and not logic? Ok , just wanted to know that you were human.



And no i was not trying to rile you up and i was not taking pleasure in your anger, just for the record i mean.


Boy, it sure felt that way.




posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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I was just so sure that I was being as obvious as possible that this was a very close subject.. How could I have been more clear? I have very good arguments about the book.. But I am unable to comment in a logical manner. At this point an emotional response is all I can come up with. Maybe at a later date I will be able to use logic, but at the moment, that is beyond my ability.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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If your having trouble with your thoughts and emotions maybe you should seek some professional help.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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Thanks, I am ok, just have a really rough time with this subject. My reaction to pedophiles is emotional and not logical. I truely hope that you were not patronizing me, and that was out of genuine concern. Either way, I am ok, just a subject that I should stay away from. I am not able to seperate logic and emotion when it comes to kids..Innocence lost to the hands of an adult that can not control themselves..

Then you see these guys walk with a couple years in jail (protective custody) Then they are right back on the street, supressing their desires until they no longer can, and harm another child. A child molestor is one opportunity away from destroying a childs life.


edit on 8-10-2010 by Mobius1974 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by Bunken Drum
I do wonder tho, what happened to teaching kids to stand on their own 2 feet? My parents taught me that if anyone tried to touch me or get me to touch them "down there", or got hold of me in a way that made me scared, it was ok to hurt them (this backfired on my dad, who was a violent man). I used to go to school alone on a public bus aged 4.

I used to walk 5 km on my own through the forest to go to school when I was 4, (yes, I'm serious,) but that didn't mean I could defend myself against a paedophiliac parent or my 4 older brothers who she trained, or their friends who liked to join in ...
Different kids are different, and paedophiles can get to be pretty smart after their first 100 or so rapes.

The paedophiles who get away with it get into a respected position in the community, make themselves loved and trusted, and then work on slowly seducing a family with a vulnerable child. They specially look for single-parent families, where they can play are "fatherly" role. Then they start working on the child. These creeps convince themselves they love the child, and are completely pure, until their grooming reaches the stage where they can convince themselves the child is begging for sex and will be too upset if they don't get it.

They don't target kids like you were. They look for kids like mine were, a shy, trusting, autistic child, or a mentally handicapped effeminate boy with a chromosome disorder. No amount of teaching could keep these boys safe once a leading figure in the community got my trust, took them on his youth camps, and used some drug, probably rohypnol, on them.

It's worth teaching kids anyway, but don't expect any kid to be smarter than these practiced, NAMBLA-trained monsters.
edit on 9/10/10 by Kailassa because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 07:20 AM
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We live in times where committing armed Bank Robbery is dealt with far harsher than Child molesting.

The Governments everywhere place far greater importance on MONEY than on KIDS.

Its always been the same.

Its because I have a suspicion that a lot of "officials" are into young boys, rent boys and party boys under the age of consent. So to them its not really their problem if a kid somewhere gets molested.

BUT touch their money and JAIL and worse await you. Nice world we live in.



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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I pray that the writer or any of its users does not get caught, if they do and make it to dept of corrections they will find that the court system has no input on sentencing them, inside D.o C. they will not have a chance to survive, Babyrapers Chimo are labels they will inherit and most find themselves in protective custody or segregation as the inmates dont tolerate such a person.

once lockdown happens the molester in population will face what fate calls a shank and could be a contract killing for nothing more than a snickers bar.
it may be legal to publish such instructionals jus like you can find DIY manuals to hydroponics, but does such execution of that manual make it legal in society rules??????

I can tell you how to meet a mate but in todays times if not done in friendly matter you are a stalker and thats illegal



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 06:07 PM
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I am glad to see this position, you have no idea!

I can tell you agree that it is "wrong" to molest/rape/etc. But you also have the mental fortitude to understand that the criminals are "broken" and don't need to be hated because of the "break".

It is a refreshing perspective, now-a-days. I can't believe how naieve I was towards the amount of hatred in my species...
(That is in reference to other threads, not this one)

Anyway, I agree with you!

1) The author of the book should not be punished, writing a book is not illegal. Sharing your thoughts is not illegal. (And neither should ever be, IMO)

2) A Molester is a human being still. A human with some mental processing errors. What is more "horrible" the fact that "broken humans" are born, or the fact that we treat them with such hatred?

Let's "fix" our broken brothers, instead of hate/hitting them.

(Yes yes, hurting a kid is terrible. But does that mean hurting a human is less terrible?)

I am gonna get in trouble for being this Devils advocate...



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by adigregorio
(Yes yes, hurting a kid is terrible. But does that mean hurting a human is less terrible?)

I am gonna get in trouble for being this Devils advocate...


I have always had this bizarre fantasy that the world would be a much better place if we could only present a solution that allowed people to confess and get the problem out in the open before they offend, pre-emptive strike at treating the problem. We judge before and after the offence, thereby pushing the boundaries towards it being a thought crime. If you're gonna be judged...right? Pedophilia is as much an expectation as anything else, it is a thought that isn't properly addressed because it has to be kept secret. People who keep those kind of secrets are vulnerable in all sorts of ways and can become dangerous if any other negative pathology exists.



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
It's worth teaching kids anyway, but don't expect any kid to be smarter than these practiced, NAMBLA-trained monsters.


It is also this assumption that because you were abused that you too will become an abuser. NAMBLA do not just go around looking for children to abuse themselves, they recruit confused vulnerable young men who think they have found someone who understand their problem and then mould them into procurors and abusers.



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Originally posted by Kailassa
It's worth teaching kids anyway, but don't expect any kid to be smarter than these practiced, NAMBLA-trained monsters.

It is also this assumption that because you were abused that you too will become an abuser. NAMBLA do not just go around looking for children to abuse themselves, they recruit confused vulnerable young men who think they have found someone who understand their problem and then mould them into procurors and abusers.


NAMBLA have another nasty habit, which left me having to fend off perverts for years.

When one paedophile get's kicked out of a situation they fancy, they let others know the way is now open for someone else to have a try.

BTW, good to see you back, old buddy.



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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AMEN!

We may disagree on stupid things, but items of importance are important!


Yes... Tyrannical Governments Always get their start by promising more "Security"

At the Expense of a few... minor... trivial freedoms....



Then it's all Downhill.



We allow ALL Speech in America. because it is Our Right to Speak our mind... no matter how Messed up and Deranged that may be.


We publish Satanic Bibles, and Ancient Sumerian Texts in America....


We also Publish Works of Literary Genius.... Works that May not have been Published.... Had we allowed someones Feelings to Dictate the "Extent" of our Right to Speak Freely.


It always Starts with those that are the easiest to hate.....

And then the Second easiest to hate....

And then the Third easiest to hate....

And so on, until there were none left to speak out, and no books left to be Read.


Or, something along those lines.


If people would practice what they preach ("Live and let live") then we would be in a perfect world fallacy!


I don't see how the word Fallacy fits onto the end of that sentence...


-Edrick
edit on 9-10-2010 by Edrick because: clarification, error correction



posted on Oct, 10 2010 @ 12:07 AM
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I was making fun of my position, since it is really close (if not already) a "perfect world fallacy" or "perfect solution fallacy" or "nirvana fallacy"


The Nirvana fallacy is the logical error of comparing actual things with unrealistic, idealized alternatives. It can also refer to the tendency to assume that there is a perfect solution to a particular problem.

en.wikipedia.org...

I am beginning to think there is no hope for us, as a species. At least not any hope of "growth". There is too much hatred over differences, not enough "fixing" of problems.

All well, what can one do. I know what I try, but it never seems to work.



posted on Oct, 10 2010 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by Edrick
It always Starts with those that are the easiest to hate.....

And then the Second easiest to hate....

And then the Third easiest to hate....

And so on, until there were none left to speak out, and no books left to be Read.


Or, something along those lines.



That is along the lines of the famous poem "First they came..." and it's something people need to drill into their heads, history itself shows this pattern again and again. The government starts banning the things most people agree with banning, anyone speaking out against it are easily silenced by accusing them of the bahaviors being banned.

Take for example the UK. Edrick you took part in a thread i posted a while back about a guy in the US being prosecuted for possessing images of cartoon children, lots of people were in favour of that ban and it happened here in the UK as well. Sure the images are sickening but they are cartoons so i argue they should be allowed.

After this the UK government decided to go after a different kind of pornography and here is where it got strange and showed how easy it is to slowly ban things. They banned S&M porn. There are two reasons why this new ban is utterly insane.

1. The porn was created using adult actors/actresses who were paid for the work, just like any other porn out there.

2. Engaging in acts of S&M are still completely and utterly legal. So someone can go out on a Friday night dressed in their finest gimp suit, pick someone up, take them home and spend all night whipping each other or whatever they like to get up to and it's completely legal. If they record it however then they're creating an illegal film.

Of course most people don't care about this because most people don't engage in S&M (before anyone asks, no i'm not into it either), however the point is that the ban went along silently because it doesn't effect most people. That's the point, the bans always start at the edges and move in, tightening the noose until only a small group of people can call themselves innocent, these people then often become the policing agents of the society.

I wonder what will be banned next?



posted on Oct, 10 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
NAMBLA have another nasty habit, which left me having to fend off perverts for years.

When one paedophile get's kicked out of a situation they fancy, they let others know the way is now open for someone else to have a try.


Many of them are very age specific too, so they will pass the child along in that sense too. I don't think that they even have to tell each other, I think the child is so psychically damaged by the experience that they emit a beacon. I was never abused, but I was groomed, as a child, and very luckily for me, he died before I reached the age of preference. It was very, very deep programming and I have very only recently been able to extract it. Not sure I am entirely free of it yet. You were a great catalyst, because you finally made me realise the reasons why my relationship with my mother was failing, and that allowed me to bridge the gap and address those issues. Thank you.

Years ago I read an article about a paedophile ring around the TV stations in Australia and a woman who tried to set up a school based programme to identify victims, I can't remember the details, I found it online but have never been able to find it again. In my vast piles of notes, that may one day get written up, I do have a hard copy. As I recall this woman was hounded into the ground and children threatened if they spoke to her.


Originally posted by Kailassa
BTW, good to see you back, old buddy.


Starting to feel good to be back, mate!



posted on Oct, 10 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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I want to say thank you!

I didn't realize the mental programming from these fellows was so intense, is there some "allowed" literature I could read up on?

I have a younger brother with Asbergers, and well...yeah...



posted on Oct, 10 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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I don't think I can help, sorry, I would hazard that the best person to talk to, would be Kailassa. I more than understand my limitations and I could do more harm. I read an awful lot of books on abnormal psychology trying to work out what was wrong with me and had to strip myself down piece by piece, but the best thing in the end was finding someone to talk to, who I could be honest with because her honesty of experience humbled me.



posted on Oct, 10 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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I still say thank you!

Is there any behavior I should look for, from my brother, that might be a "red flag"

...you know...

If the pedopress is doing so well, why not write an anti-version of the book?



posted on Oct, 10 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by adigregorio
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I still say thank you!

Is there any behavior I should look for, from my brother, that might be a "red flag"

...you know...

If the pedopress is doing so well, why not write an anti-version of the book?


There are anti-books out there I would presume, but since the majority of child sexual abuse occurs within the home by a close member of the family I believe that the emphasis should remain on that because, really, with the digital age that is becoming the real problem of being spread and networked.



edit on 10-10-2010 by KilgoreTrout because: poor grammar



posted on Oct, 11 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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I was making fun of my position, since it is really close (if not already) a "perfect world fallacy" or "perfect solution fallacy" or "nirvana fallacy"


Yes, I suspected that was the case... but was unsure.


I do not think that Working for a Better World is necessarily a "Fallacy" or even close to it.

I mean, take Medical Advances for starters.... refrigeration, food preservation and agriculture... etc, etc, etc...

(Edit to add: Yes, a perfect world would be a Fallacy)


I am beginning to think there is no hope for us, as a species. At least not any hope of "growth". There is too much hatred over differences, not enough "fixing" of problems.


The problems have been Deliberately Created.

For Example... people are distracted to prevent them from seeing that the Corporate Monopolies are purchasing our government representatives. (The same corporate Monopolies are doing the Distracting, often)

People would rather be distracted from the Truth.... than to have to pay attention to it.

This is how "Evil" keeps getting away with it.... because the VAST MAJORITY of us, Absolutely Refuse to pay attention to the things that matter.

To the things that affect us all.

-Edrick
edit on 11-10-2010 by Edrick because: clarification



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