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Is Racism Real?

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posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 04:20 AM
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Note: Mod's please move to an appropriate area.

Greetings all,

Lets take a fairly straightforward and obvious concept and investigate whether it truly exists, we are talking about racism.

Now I may be over simplifying a delicate issue here but please bear with me.

I'm a white, British male and if someone insulted me with *expletive* white man I simply would not be offended, do you know why?

Because I am white.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand that lots of other factors need to be taken into account here such as history, social identity and slavery etc but I'm trying to keep things simple.

I assume that most black people or people of any different colour than white would be deeply offended if someone insulted them with *expletive* black man or something similiar.

But at the end of the day, okay I'll admit they are being insulting but is using someones colour as an insult really that offensive?

It seems to me that racism, as a legal charge, only works in one way. I'm pretty sure that if someone from another race called me *expletive* white boy and I went to the police that I would be laughed at.

Sure, there are people who can be labelled as racists i.e. people who don't like others simply because of their colour or race, these people are narrow minded idiots.

But is it really that offensive to use someones colour as an insult?

Note: I'm not trying to cause offence to anyone of any colour, my ex best friend of 15 years was a hindu and half caste, my current best friend has Irish and Chinese roots.

Thoughts people?

Cheers,

DK

[edit on 6/9/10 by Death_Kron]




posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 04:37 AM
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Oh this is a touchy one, isn't it? I am a white female from USA and I have no problem being referred to as "the white girl" when I'm in a diverse group...why would I. As you state, I AM white! But a lot of black people would be angry if they were referred to as "the black guy/girl." Definitely a double standard happening there.

I think that racism is obviously real, as in idiotic people hate based on color, etc....

Perhaps a better question would be to ask why people are insulted by their very descriptions.

For instance, if you went up to a average group of people and wanted to point out someone, (not knowing their name) and you say, "oh, that fat girl over there" She would surely be offended....which is what she is. She IS fat, what's the difference, eh? Double standard again.

Did any of that drivel make sense ?



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 04:51 AM
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It's offensive because people of colour, and other minority groups, have been the victims of discrimination at the hands of white people for a very long time.

Whites have not been discriminated is this way, so to call someone a 'white person' holds no racial negativity.

People of colour were made to feel negative about their own race for a long time. That's where 'black pride' comes from, no longer excepting the negativity forced on them.

And that is why 'black pride' does not justify 'white pride'.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 04:53 AM
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I think the tone, manner and context in which someone says something is the all important thing to consider.

Using someone's race, colour or creed as an intended and intentional insult is racist.

However, I think some people are far too sensitive and really need to take that chip off their shoulder.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 04:59 AM
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Explanation: S&F!

Yes racism is very real and so are the consequences!


1stly I must clarify that IMO there is only one race of people on planet earth... The Human Race! Everything else is a cultural, ethhnic and or gender differentiation etc. [the various -ism's] and beyond that ... well there be extraterrestrial entities and I'll get to them a bit later OK.


But stuff what I think... here is the racism I found in MY Australian constitution [you WILL note I decapitalized the letter "c"
] ...

Australian Constitution (specifically powers of the parliment) [saph.gov.au]


Part V - Powers of the Parliament
51.The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to: - [edited here by OL to remove unrequired text]

(xxvi.) The people of any race, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws:


And the direct current expression of this authorized racism is the Australian governments [under BOTH liberal and labour]...

Northern Territory National Emergency Response [wiki]

... AKA "The Intervention!"


PLEASE for the love of xyandorz don't make me show you the direct tie ins between that and [damn you godwins law
] what the Nazi's [and others from all side] did pre/present and post WWII! :shk: [I have a plethora of information that I'd personally like to scrub the reality that created them from reality itself!
]

Personal Disclosure: Now as for ET/Aliens etc. I myself have an extreme problem with indigo's, who I view as an alien invasion and I recommend you check my profile for threads I have created on those indigo agenda issues and further more I also recommend trying a search on Google [dont use ats search... its sorta fail compared to google] for ats threads and posts regarding indigos and you only have to visit the ATS Aliens and UFO's forum to be introduced to a world invaded by greys, reptillians, shape changers etc. etc. and freaking bloody etc.
OL notes that many members are quite unhappy about these other races and the vitriol libeled against them is immense and intense!!!


P.S. Didn't some Dulce whistleblower kill some grey aliens and got irradiated and like had his hand melted in the shootout??? That's prejudice at a gut instinct level right there! [was 1st time he saw an alien apparently and his guts leapt up into his brain and started a freaking interstellar war!]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:00 AM
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Your spot on there white girl


A similiar point to make is that I'm a short guy in comparision to the majority, sure it used to annoy or even upset me when I was a child in primary school and other kids used to pick on me because of my height.

But now, having grown up and matured if someone want's to insult me because of my height I would simply laugh.

Yes I am short, doe's it bother me? Not in the slightest...

A strange thing to point out is that I've always being very strong physically, definately not what people would assume in respect of my height.

In high school I was teased because of my height initially but after beating everyone in arm wrestles, wrestling and P.E. lessons people developed a respect for me and the height issue became non existant.

[edit on 6/9/10 by Death_Kron]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:05 AM
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I do understand what your saying there completely, however do you honestly believe that every single black person understands and comprehends their racial history?

I'm willing to bet that more than half of them have no idea about it and simply become offended if insulted about their colour because they have learned to find it offensive.

The media especially TV portrays racism in soap operas and other programs that show characters being racially abused and the hostile reactions.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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Without being proud about it but I've thrown out some horrible abusive insults in my younger days not racist comments but comments that people who class as equally offensive.

It's an interesting debate; the old adage of "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" should be taken into account here.

I'm not perfect and will admit that I've been offended and reacted to inflammatory comments plenty of times before but know even I'm sitting here wondering why anyone should react to insults.

But you are right, some people need to take that chip off their shoulder and I'm sure in many cases (not all cases however) that some people play the race card.

[edit on 6/9/10 by Death_Kron]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:27 AM
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Is racism real...yes.

You mainly refer to insults and verbal usage as a reflection of racial discrimination. However, what someone says is a reflection of how they feel on the inside.

And if what they say is racist, then what they will do will be racist.

For instance, being called white or black, not an insult. Being called "whitey or cracker".... "n_gg_r or sambo"...that's racist.

Basically, racism is a lack of respect or a hatred based on someone's race. Then you act on those feelings... verbal insults, physical attacks, do not offer them an opportunity or job, do not sell or trade, do not treat equally.... based on skin color. that's racism.

It does cut both ways, too. Having lived here in the Southern US all my life, I can remember segregation, integration, busing because of Federal mandates to end segregation, I have seen civil rights marches, seen the KKK march, seen gunfights between racist groups and socialist groups, ... it only breeds fear...mistrust...misunderstasnding.

Fast forward to 2010.... racism still exists. But it is going away... I help manage a farm supply/ feed store. It really is remarkable to see all colors come in and talk, exchange ideas, complain in like manner about the weather...taxes...tractors... bragging on their horses or goats.

We get mixed couples, white, black, hispanic, lesbians, gays, and ....TRUMPETS PLEASE.... we all get along. It is not yet a perfect world, but their is hope.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:42 AM
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Explanation: Now to address the explicit questions posed in the OP.
Soz I got a little carried away addressing the threads topic in isolation.

What the OP is generally talking about is Ad Hominens, which are an attack against the man/member and not against the arguments of the debate and ARE therefor a failure to debate logically i.e. they are a logical fallicy= illogical = unreasonable, and OL notes that the ATS T&C's agree.

But personally...

Personal Disclosure: I have found that I have absolutely no problems with VALID ad hominen arguments being made even against me. You will please note that I showed in my 1st post that the Australian constitution is racist and therfor I as an Australian MUST wear the consequences of that when PUBLICLY called upon to do so as to do otherwise is to be a complete hypocrite!!! OL likes to deny ignorance because ignorance is usually due to naivety and that is completly excusable BUT OL would love to
Hypocrites as THEY KNOW THEY ARE WRONG but stubbornly refuse to admit it and that makes them a MONSTER regardless of the original colour of their ethnic/cultural "stripes" so to speak.

I here quote what a recently sentenced [to life in prison] war criminal had to say about his crimes against Humanity in a 1992 interview in Belgrade magazine Duga..."I don't have a guilty conscience over any of them." aka and = "I AM NOT SORRY!"



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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Is Racism Real?

as oppose to racism being imagined or artificial?

like is it manmade or just an illusion?

huh. never thought of it that way. might make sense.

edit to add: i was commenting on the title alone. not the thread thus far.
just sparked a few synapses, they kicked back a couple thoughts, and i shared them there thinkings with u gize


[edit on 6-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
reply to post by Death_Kron
 


Is Racism Real?

as oppose to racism being imagined or artificial?

like is it manmade or just an illusion?

huh. never thought of it that way. might make sense.


I mean is it real in terms of perceived offensiveness?

As OmegaLogos's says above, in reality there is only one race of us on this planet; the race of human beings.

Skin colour or racial heritage is un-important and verbally abusing someone including a comment about their colour shouldn't be offensive as they are the colour being described.

AlreadyGone does make a valid point about people physically attacking others simply because of their skin colour, I suppose that's definately racist.

[edit on 6/9/10 by Death_Kron]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 05:56 AM
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Nope, it's a myth like womans rights and starvation in Africa....
But seriously, yes it is, but all too often the context and tone means everything regarding it, and this can also sometimes be misinterpreted across cultures. The Uk and USA for example, im sure many Americans would deem some comments made by british people to be racist, when it is not racist in the slightest...if you are British.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 06:04 AM
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I couldn't agre with you more...context an culture are very important.

For instance...redneck...both positive and negative conotations.

If you saw a bunch of guys in the fall...in camo, orange caps, with hunting rifles, hunting dogs, sitting around with their pickups, having a few drinks and a few laughs... you might say they are a bunch of good ol' boys or rednecks....only thing is...they are black. Can there be black rednecks?

Where I live in NC...there are...black rednecks. They get along with the white rednecks.

To confuse it a little more... you will see a white redneck..with his big ol' pickup, rebel flag, gun in the windo...listening to some racially charges rap beat.

Quite the injuxtaposition.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 06:12 AM
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This is the point that I'm trying to make basically, I live in an area called Wigan and people who live here are referred to as "Wigan'ers"

People may refer to people that live here as "Wigan'ers" simply implying that we live in Wigan or they may refer to us as "F****** Wigan'ers" or "yeah them Wigan'ers" meaning it in a negative context.

It's all semantics I suppose and that's what I was trying to illustrate in my OP.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 06:59 AM
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Yes, racism is real. It stems from xenophobia that is an animalistic and terratorial survival mechanism, to protect the collective from unknown elements from other collectives.

Racism takes many forms! Why do the English tell Irish jokes? etc etc.

The modern understanding of racism is white on black western racism. Yet within the Indian caste system, cultural bias against the untouchables, ie those of the darkest skins, is entrenched, making it very difficult for those in the lower castes to fully engage socially and economically.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 07:18 AM
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Agreed, White-Guy-with-Below-Average-Height-but-Above-Average-Strength!

Just imagine if we insulted based entirely off of actual physical traits.

"OH MY GOD. YOU ARE SUCH A BROWN EYED BRUNETTE WITH A NOSE AND MOUTH!"

GASP! "You're nothing but a person with two arms and two legs!"



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Indeed racism is real.

Being from South Africa I still see it on a daily basis. And I am white.

Maybe the example of South Africa is an extreme one, as I am sure most of you guys know the history in South Africa.

Even though SA became a democracy in 1994 and Apartheid was abolished way before that, racism is still everywhere. And I don't think its just here in SA. Its all over the world, like everyone else posted here.

And yes there is alot of name calling and stuff going on. We white people get called Boer, which is highly offensive to us, and yet nothing can be done about it. Yet if you were to call a black person something equivelent, you will be taken to court.

I can understand that because of our history its like that, but surely this is also double standards.

But I understand what the OP is asking. And I agree.

How come make such a big fuss purely based on the colour of one's skin. It is ridiculous.

VVV



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 07:21 AM
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Problem with that is that the lot of people around today with chips on their shoulders were not involved in slavery. It's crazy for them to go around feeling oppressed about it when they weren't even involved!

I'm white. I didn't own slaves. I haven't hated on any group of people or anything else. So I don't expect people to automatically assume that I have. That makes the assumptionist racist!



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by MeSoCorny
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Problem with that is that the lot of people around today with chips on their shoulders were not involved in slavery. It's crazy for them to go around feeling oppressed about it when they weren't even involved!

I'm white. I didn't own slaves. I haven't hated on any group of people or anything else. So I don't expect people to automatically assume that I have. That makes the assumptionist racist!


This is exactly what I was trying to say. Why should later genarations still be held responsable for stuff that happenned in the past.
If it continues like this, then racism will always be there.

VVV



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