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Are People Waking Up or are They Just Being Reprogrammed?

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posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by IrishCream
I have to chime in here and add that being "Awake" seems to be the new IN thing! You hear about awakening in every day MSM commercials and television shows, movies, books and magazine articles! It's like the new National Passtime. A few years ago many people thought I was off my rocker because of the direction I was moving in spiritually and mentally. Now it seems that everyone wants a piece of the New Age pie! Really?!

I think that some people did/are/have been awakened to the truths that are out there, however once TPTB caught wind of this, they implemented their own plan B!! This would basically include the mind-altering or Reprogramming the OP implies.

This would also go a VERY long way in making the conspiracy theorists and those who are truly awakened look more insane than ever, dontcha think?!


I wonder what came first though? The chicken or the egg? Where some of us potentially programmed through things like MK Ultra to awaken others to start the ball rolling?

Where we laughed at first but gradually gained acceptance as more and more people where then bombarded with secondary and newer programming made to make the things some of us were all ready talking about more attractive.

In other words are the Powers that Be falling back to plan B, or were some of us made an unwitting part of a Plan A that has long been in existence that is very much alive and well?

Did those who became aware or more aware early on really achieve that through their own accord in a vacuum or where there some things involved behind the scenes that prompted them in that direction?




posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea

Originally posted by boondock-saint


I mean really ...
if they do have some sort of mankind
saving scheme going on, do we really
need to thwart the effort? That may be a lil naive
in nature but it begs an answer from us
all.



I would say look to the past to determine the future. A leopard does not change his spots. That the plans would be benevolent is too much of a stretch. If at all the plans will be self serving to those who will be guiding, controlling, and implementing the schemes.


I think it's a stretch to think of them as being benevolent though I do believe they would love for us to imagine that they are benevolent.

Many of us have been programmed to believe violent regime change that kills millions is benevolent because it's presumed our style of government will then be either imposed or chosen by the conquered.

Some would say you have to be cruel to be kind, but do we really have to be?



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Politicians and people proclaim one thing, yet vissibly do another and often the opposite, yet many of us tend to believe that despite that they are doing and have done precisely what they proclaimed even though they did do something entirely different or the opposite.





I see quite often where actions are in direct conflict with the words. Which makes it appear that what is being put in place is the "opposite" of what one was led to believe.

Case in point is religious programming.

You are being told you are Awake; manipulated to think that you have exclusive knowledge that others do not have....and yet that very idea is used to manipulate you to be loyal to those dishing out this "knowledge".








If you were really awake, you would know that a subliminal is being played here with the symbolism of a Treaty cloth.

I think there are some sneaky things in the works.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by 2weird2live2rare2die
excellent post. you brought up some pretty good information. i have never heard of the silent sound spectrum but i intend to look it up now that it has been brought to my attention. my personal opinion is that there are different degrees of enlightenment, sure some of the fellow members seem to be caught up in too much new age nonsense but i imagine that these people will eventually stumble onto the right path and separate the facts from the nonsense. i'm sure some of these people are just realizing everything they have been and are told by the powers that be are a lie. they might have faith in things now that they will soon discover are false. it takes anyone a little bit of time to get sorted out when they first begin to use their brains so to speak. well, there are a few that are too dumb or just hopelessly insane but for the most part i think that as time passes and more knowledge is gathered by these individuals they will begin to see the truth.

[edit on 5-9-2010 by 2weird2live2rare2die]


Not all the members are old enough to remember the First Gulf War but it is purported that when the Iraqi Troops began to crawl out of their fox holes in mass to basically grovel and bow at the feet and boots of coalition soldiers this was a direct result of them being bombardet with Silent Sound Spectrum broadcasts by Army Special Forces from helicopters for weeks on end.

Many actually kissed the soldiers boots and thanked them enthusiastically again and again as they lay prostrate on the ground.

It's alleged that they were broadcast to in their native tongue and told terrible things would happen to them if they did not surrender, and that as those thoughts were broadcast silently and directly into their brain it caused them to actually feel those sensations of being violently and sadistically ripped from limb to limb.

If true if this is how the military was already using this technology 20 years ago, how it might have evolved since then is truly troubling.

Like many other things we don't know all the details about the Patents on file are real enough.

The technology is real, how real, and used how often and by who?

Well that's the question.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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Many of us have been programmed to believe violent regime change that kills millions is benevolent because it's presumed our style of government will then be either imposed or chosen by the conquered.

Some would say you have to be cruel to be kind, but do we really have to be?


No we really don't have to be cruel, that begs the question why and when did this start, it seems it has always been with us, in our ancient history all we hear about is divide and conquer which is always achieved by violence and death, so who are our controllers? Do they hand pick people through the ages to carry out their plan?

Seems we always have more questions then answers.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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Case in point is religious programming.

You are being told you are Awake; manipulated to think that you have exclusive knowledge that others do not have....and yet that very idea is used to manipulate you to be loyal to those dishing out this "knowledge".


This is very true, and in recent weeks we have seen some very heated discussions here on ATS regarding religion and attitudes on religion.

In recent days some very heated discussions regarding animal rights.

There is no getting away from the fact that a good number of people who see themselves as awake favor some very violent and extreme solutions to things they percieve as problems often absent all the pertinent and salient facts and sometimes clinging to some down right falicies they refuse to abandon in the face of fact.

They still consider themselves awake, yet how awake are they if they still favor the same old violent might makes right solutions?




I think there are some sneaky things in the works.


I agree and I think it's important to not let the word awake simply be one more way to massage the ego of a still relatively closed and only partially aware mind.

Great posts, thanks for sharing.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by IrishCream
I have to chime in here and add that being "Awake" seems to be the new IN thing! You hear about awakening in every day MSM commercials and television shows, movies, books and magazine articles! It's like the new National Passtime. A few years ago many people thought I was off my rocker because of the direction I was moving in spiritually and mentally. Now it seems that everyone wants a piece of the New Age pie! Really?!

I think that some people did/are/have been awakened to the truths that are out there, however once TPTB caught wind of this, they implemented their own plan B!! This would basically include the mind-altering or Reprogramming the OP implies.

This would also go a VERY long way in making the conspiracy theorists and those who are truly awakened look more insane than ever, dontcha think?!


I wonder what came first though? The chicken or the egg? Where some of us potentially programmed through things like MK Ultra to awaken others to start the ball rolling?

Where we laughed at first but gradually gained acceptance as more and more people where then bombarded with secondary and newer programming made to make the things some of us were all ready talking about more attractive.

In other words are the Powers that Be falling back to plan B, or were some of us made an unwitting part of a Plan A that has long been in existence that is very much alive and well?

Did those who became aware or more aware early on really achieve that through their own accord in a vacuum or where there some things involved behind the scenes that prompted them in that direction?



Well, I would like to think not *sniff-sniff*


That would be most underhanded and disturbing considering all I have been through just to get to this point, which is not very far comparitively speaking lol. I will have to give this whole theory a lot more thought, which means most likely I will not be sleeping well tonight!!



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Nobody ever truly awakens. The reason for this is because when one actually does wake up, one realizes there was never anybody there to begin with.

To become awake is to realize that everything is an illusion, even your identity.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 08:56 PM
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The New Age is an Industry, just like any other human endeavour with the goal of making money from others.

When I was a little boy I had hoped that the Hippy movement would bring in an enlightened phase for humanity... but at the tme I did not know the drugs were going to disrupt that flow and that 20 or so years later many of the children born to hippies would turn their backs on it in order to climb the corporate ladder to financial success. Seems teens will rebel no matter what is on offer (?)

So as time passed I watched this fledgling new-age Movement grow, and my hopes raised with it. But it wasn't long before I began to spot the disinfo creeping in. And what I discovered was that an agenda was at work within the Movement to do two things at least. One was to turn the Movement into an Industry and the second was to make things more complex than they need to be, so once again people were mired in Complexity and Mystery... the two old stalwarts of Manipulation.

So today you can read so much info out there and most of it is actually counter-intuitive, being built up with new style Belief-Systems to replace the old Belief-Systems. One thing we do learn is that all Belief-Systems have Limitations to growth. So those who attach to Beliefs can only grow a or Awaken to the point that is the Boundary of their Box of Attached Beliefs.

There are sectors in the new-age Industry that offers some outlandish concepts to replace the old ones, there is far too much reliance on Channeled Information as being Factual when in most cases the "Channeler" is not channeling at all but merely thinking themselves to be.. there is a definitive Energy Pattern around anyone who does Channel correctly, and in most I've seen over the years that Signature is missing.

There is also a very negative powerbase within the Industry that blocks most anyone who is Clear and Honest, and this is all about Money and insuring no one listens to the "newcomer" so that they do not get the work. Competition is good, disinfo-based competition is harmful.

Okay, that's me done for a while.. time to go do something.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Riposte
Nobody ever truly awakens. The reason for this is because when one actually does wake up, one realizes there was never anybody there to begin with.

To become awake is to realize that everything is an illusion, even your identity.


You may very well correct, Dr. Robert Lanza theorizes that nothing is real unless it's observed, on the other hand maybe all we have is the moment, that everything is happening at once, past, present and future.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:04 PM
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When I was a little boy I had hoped that the Hippy movement would bring in an enlightened phase for humanity... but at the tme I did not know the drugs were going to disrupt that flow and that 20 or so years later many of the children born to hippies would turn their backs on it in order to climb the corporate ladder to financial success. Seems teens will rebel no matter what is on offer (?)


The fact is most of those hippies sold out, they finished college and started to climb that corporate ladder, it wasn't their children.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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Thanks for filling in the gap on my info about Hippies turning their backs on the alternative lifestyle, I wasn't ware that many simply went back to what they were doing when the good times ended.

And yes, all we really have is NOW... anything before does not exist anymore and anything after hasn't happened yet. Sure makes you think what is important doesn't it?



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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Hey Proto, thanks for the heads-up on this thread.


I believe there is only one way (that I can think of) that a person might stand a chance to stay on top of whatever 'programming' might get thrown at you.

Question everything... and I mean everything... NEVER take anything for granted, no matter the source. No matter how Official, mainstream, unofficial, or 'alternative' ... ALWAYS question the source, their possible motivation, who benefits from the info, who doesn't... look at it from EVERY possible angle, THEN start to form opinion.

Oh, and the everything includes oneself
... Whenever you start feeling antagonistic towards a subject, group, or situation ... ask yourself WHY? What's caused you to feel like that. I've often found, when asking myself that question, that if I'm honest with myself I'm reacting to a story (read or seen) that I have no FIRST HAND knowledge of, and that has been presented in such a way as to elicit the very response I'm questioning.

Question everything!! ... They might still get you in the end ... lol ... but it sure makes it more difficult to brainwash someone, when it's second nature to question everything, including yourself.

Great thread, as always Proto



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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That would be most underhanded and disturbing considering all I have been through just to get to this point, which is not very far comparitively speaking lol. I will have to give this whole theory a lot more thought, which means most likely I will not be sleeping well tonight!!


I was someone so radical and aware that at the age of 14 the CIA was actually tutoring me in my own home because there wasn't a form of school or institution capable of dealing with my alternative thought process and logistical ability to basically do just about anything it was supposed to be impossible for me to do.

So yes I would really be bummed too, to find out that a very arduous path from a very young age was all part of some external programming I fell prey too that allowed me to think I was that idependantly different only to possibly be serving the very cause of those I imagined I was fighting succesfully against.

You see my friend a person convinced against their own will is a person who remains unconvinced.

You might do what your boss or lover insists you do, but if you don't believe it's the smart or best or most sensible thing to do, you aren't going to do it to a hundred percent of your ability. You might even purposefully sabatoge your efforts just to prove to them your own contention that it was stupid or would not work.

So if you really want to motivate people you get them to sieze upon the idea themselves, to convince themselves, because then they will put a hundred percent effort into it.

The Powers that Be know this, so it might be wise to in fact step back and say, did I really sieze upon this idea or course or plan myself, or was there something else at play unseen that someone else controlled that led me to the point where I siezed on it myself.

Are we awake or are we simply being reprogrammed.

Are we really changing the world for us, or are we prepping the world for the change that the powers that be want?

That's the million dollar question of the hour!



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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Great reply friend Dagar and full of the kind of wisdom you are so good at providing.

I agree it's wise to question everything and above all question yourself.

I am of the opinion with so many external factors at play and the fact that the powers that be love to rule by using order out of chaos it's hard to see the forest for the trees because of all that chaos and the noise that it causes.

The allure of getting drawn into the constant debate, the chaos, the conflicting divisions and the drama and spectacle and competition and confrontation of it all, can tempt even the most staid and reserved person at times.

Doing that constant check up from the neck up probably is the only way not to get caught up in it.

Great post my friend.

Thanks so much for joining in.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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I think there are factions that are programming and reprogramming us but there are some that are trying to deprogram us that are in positions of power.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by Riposte
Nobody ever truly awakens. The reason for this is because when one actually does wake up, one realizes there was never anybody there to begin with.

To become awake is to realize that everything is an illusion, even your identity.


You are the first so far to hit on this.

Are we in fact tiring of the illusion and perhaps ready for a rest and some tranquility before manifesting again.

Are we faced with that, or the imposition of a new reality in this waking sentient lifetime to rekindle our interest or to otherwise keep us engaged?

That's the billion dollar question!

Excellent observation.

Shhhhhh don't tell anyone I haven't quite tired of pizza, just heartburn!

And the occassional heart break!

Thanks for posting.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by superluminal11
I think there are factions that are programming and reprogramming us but there are some that are trying to deprogram us that are in positions of power.


As I used to enjoy saying to some lady friends many moons ago, my name is Duncan I am a yo-yo, I go up, I go down, I get jerked about upon a string.

The war for hearts and minds is everything in creating a system and a shared reality.

I wonder how many factions are trying to win our hearts and minds to that end, and to what end they would like to?



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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When I was a little boy I had hoped that the Hippy movement would bring in an enlightened phase for humanity... but at the tme I did not know the drugs were going to disrupt that flow and that 20 or so years later many of the children born to hippies would turn their backs on it in order to climb the corporate ladder to financial success. Seems teens will rebel no matter what is on offer (?)

So as time passed I watched this fledgling new-age Movement grow, and my hopes raised with it. But it wasn't long before I began to spot the disinfo creeping in. And what I discovered was that an agenda was at work within the Movement to do two things at least. One was to turn the Movement into an Industry and the second was to make things more complex than they need to be, so once again people were mired in Complexity and Mystery... the two old stalwarts of Manipulation.



One of my two next epic threads planned is going to be dealing with the Hippie Movement, and how it may have been entirely staged and manipulated to create an outcome that was entirely to the hippies detriment.

I plan to outline in depth the external events and manipulations that both created it, the purpose behind it's creation, for what it was really used to accomplish, and how those same external forces then introduced the events that led to it's ultimate destruction.

It may explain a great many things for you and others about this very promising but brief moment in history.

I am waiting for school to get back in and fall to get here before introducing the thread.

I will U2U my friend when I publish it.

It will be a classic example of how millions of people an entire generation can be manipulated to serve the powers that be, even while they imagine they are the greatest threat to the powers that be that there ever was.

Sadly they could have been, except they weren't aware of the external manipulation and how they were being used.

This thread is kind of meant in part to be a wake up call to not lulled into believing the New Age and Awake Movements aren't being manipulated for a Power that Be agenda too.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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Oh what tangled webs we weave.

An awakened person is someone who knows they know nothing at all.



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