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Are People Waking Up or are They Just Being Reprogrammed?

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posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 10:01 PM
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Thanks for posting Stewie, this thread is meant to be a discussion thread, about the possibility we might be being reprogrammed so nothing is really off topic.

Anything that might be involved becomes topical, and no, nothing should be scoffed at since the best definition so far by consensus of being aware is having an open mind.

Everyone's opinion in relation to the opening question post is a valid and a considered opinion.

In fact I have for the most part tried to star every post to the thread, since there are no wrong answers or right answers to a hypothetical question no one can prove or disprove.

Yet I really do appreciate everyone who has taken the time to share their opinion.

I have enjoyed reading about every one's own view on the subject.

Having an open mind is kind of a nice thing.

Thanks for posting!




posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 10:07 PM
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Hey thanks for your input, the way I see it if you study our history long you'll see it goes in circles, and yet we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over, we just keep killing and killing each other, over "God and Country"

In the God corner, IF they're is a God(whichever is in contest at the moment)
AND he's not stepped in for ANY side by now (God vs. Allah has been going for over HOW long, by now?) and STILL we are having this "Higher Power" prick measuring contest, hasn't anybody EVER realized that if their IS a God he NOT picking a side? Why should he?, what does he care of the petty squabbles of our troublesome race? He's got a Cosmos to run! Plus, who the Fark are WE to even assume we comprehend the reasoning of something that supposedly created ALL.

*I know I'm getting sidetracked but there IS a point!*

On the Country corner, When did we become SO egocentrical
that we formed an imaginary line in the sand and say "THIS is MINE"
Why? because we were born here? So have Millions of species over the years, and you dont see Lions and Elephants thundering through Africa killing everybody in their way that doesn't acknowledge the "THIS IS MINE NOW"

WHY did we even NEED a line in the first place?

This is why we keep messin' up time and time again.

Why can't we realize that even IF there is a God, he's not picking a side, so why should we?

Until we realize, there is no MINE it's OURS. This WORLD, not "nation", not "state", not "country" ALL of those sub-divisions are imaginary, ALL of it is OURS, all of it is Earth, OUR EARTH. At the end of the day we are All HUMAN, ALL of us livin' in this little blue beautiful orb.

Don't we realize this is ALL we've got? That it shouldn't about americans or russians or chinese or afghani, it's about HUMANS co-existing in the ONLY place we have in the UNIVERSE. And yet go at each other like "this piece o' land is better than that piece o' land, so imma kill for it!"

See? See, Why we keep repeating ourselves like some sort of macabre Human Ouroboros?

Until we erase these imaginary lines in our head, we will be destined to repeat this pointless cycle of bloodshed until we END each other.

Is when these preconceptions cease to be, THEN we will have truly Awakened.

Anything else, is just *step one* for the next cycle.



Edit: typos!

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posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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I believe anyone who is completely convinced they are right about issues like religion and conspiracy, are probably wrong. One should always question beliefs. I often have thought there is more likely a reverse conspiracy. A movement to keep us all separate and afraid of one another. After all if I were in controle, the last thing I would want is to centralize the globe bringing the publics frustration to a central target. It would be better to keep the status quo with the world fractured and arguing!



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 10:50 PM
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posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:54 PM
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S&F great thread! I believe television is one of the biggest factor in manipulating our minds. I believe I am awake, and I can thank the internet for waking me. ATS was a big factor as well, it has led me down many rabbit holes, it changed my life, and my views of the world.

At first, my stress level went through the roof, I used to be agitated and depressed, as I was waking up, it really got bad I felt helpless; I would feel sick after watching the News at night. I kept asking myself what was causing all this anxiety. I thought it had to be the television. So I decided not to watch anymore News or any more opinionated news programs, and guess what, all my depression and hopelessness went away. Don’t get me wrong I have a few websites that I still go to in order to stay informed and I can get sources to the information that is being told. On television I learned it was next to impossible to get sources with all the distortions half truth, and propaganda.

I am more relaxes now. It wasn’t just the information on television that was bothering me, it was the gate keeping from the truth and, the heckling against truth, by well known News outlets that I found disturbing. I pick up very quickly there is a war on information and the war is to shill the truth from everyone at all cost, in many things for example many Corporations do not want people to know of any wrong doings, same as our government and world governments. I am convinced there are hired disinformationist working for our government and many of the global corporations.

The fact is I know I can’t change anything, it took a while to except that, however I can look at all the wonderful positive things in our lives and sink my energy in the people around me in some positive way.

Are people waking up, I believe those who want to, will. As long as they have an open mind.

Are people being programmed, for some yes.




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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 12:46 AM
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We are currently awakening to the program that is essentially ourselves reprogramming, ourselves, upon awakening, and the point of the core program gives disminishing returns. We would ideally reach the event horizon, that point at which we wil no longer awaken or experience..."re"-programming.

Cheers.


[edit on 9/7/2010 by Josephus23]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 02:59 AM
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As long as people are thinking about the world around them and the events taking place, how deeply they are "asleep" or how widely they are "awake" mean little. Critical thought, Logic and Reason are some of the best tools available to escape programming; but they can also be used against you in a deceptive manner if you are not careful.

Some of us might be under the illusion of being awake when we are just dreaming inside another dream. The Matrix within a Matrix theory comes to mind. Highly possible considering just how far the Rabbit Hole might go...

[edit on 7/9/2010 by Dark Ghost]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 03:11 AM
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do you consider yourself to be "awake" or "reprogrammed"?


personally i would like to sit down and reprogram myself again...


[edit on 7-9-2010 by sum1one]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 06:10 AM
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I believe the world will have a one government, one army and one 'everything' in the future, when I think about the future, with the coming of the technology, it wouldn't be far from the movie 'Gattaca'. So people will surely end up as becoming one; humans or earthlings or whatever..This will happen..

The question is; will earth be ruled by the good guys or the bad guys? So far we all know where it is going. Yet no one does anything against other than talking.. So this means the time has not come yet.. For both of the sides to reveal themselves.. Meanwhile, we should only need to keep our eyes and minds open, and try to get the reliable information..

Nothing more can be done right now..We should let TPTB finish their acting on stage and gather reliable information and wait for the next part to start on this theater play, because in this stage we don't have much role except educating ourselves..

So when the time comes and the curtain opens again, we'll have the capability to analyze the game and react to it knowing the rules of how to play..

Reprogramming or whatever, if you still can judge the good and bad, doesn't matter. I think most of ATS members have this ability to analyze.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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That the Central Intelligence Agency at one time had open operations going with MK-ULTRA, I have zero doubt, to say the least.

That once an operation like this is "closed" on paper, means it went to Black Projects, instead of Gray Projects, I have zero doubt, to say the least.

These are all pieces of the puzzle in a sort of programming which is darker than the original intent of your original post suggested, of which I have no problem.

I have two threads in particular which might interest you.

The Men Who Stare At Goats : Secret Missions, Movies, and Propaganda

...and...

Pusher : Cerulean Blue, Pushing the Lie, and Psychological Operations

Now, back to Hyatt and Kaczynski, I have my doubts about the former, only because he is new to me, his website suggests amateurish content, and as well limiting information output, which is not to say he is not legitimate, only that he's hiding something completely.

Nothing wrong with that if he is indeed a past experimentee of MK-ULTRA.

You have spoken to him, I have not, invite him to ATS and let the site decide.

As for Kaczynski, I have no doubt he was definitely experimented upon, his lawyer used that as a part of his defense, involving MK-ULTRA.

If he was involved overseas, as I originally said, this explains his knowledge of explosives.

His being a mathematical genius, as well being socially inept, and a few other things makes him fit the profile of a MK-ULTRA test subject, to say the least.

Personally, from my investigations, I believe Kaczynski solved the mathematical equation, which made the ARPANET/Internet possible, because prior to it becoming wires, programs, and machinery, it was a complex math problem.

That one picture from Hyatt, however, is not enough evidence for me of him being military.

This is in no way discounting he might have been but I need more solid evidence.

One grainy photograph does little to make me believe but it makes for interesting conversation, for which I am grateful, to you for because we always have interesting conversations, and share such a divergence of beliefs.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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That's an interesting theory as far as Kacynski being the mathematician behind the Internet.

Of course we all know Al Gore invented the Internet!



You are right the thread wasn't meant to be a deep discussion on MK Ultra, but when you brought up Kacynski I thought I would add a little flavor to it.

I think one other part of the equation is how long have semi-private institutions like BlackWater/XE really been around.

What things might be carried out that are so black that the quasi governmnetal agencies like the CIA might contract them out completely off the books?

"National Security" has become a shade and a shield to hide a whole lot of things from most lawmakers and the public alike.

In my own estimation where highly programmed Manchurian Candidates designed to carry out a very specific function come into play is that just one or a handful could perpetrate an event like a September 11th, that changes attitudes and perceptions over night.

Because these sleeper agents can lie dormant for years, it becomes interesting to then consider how long ago certain agendas might have been planned out to drive future events towards a wholesale change in perception through crossroad events.

I agree Hyatts website is a torture in it's own right, one that I would really question if it were meant to be a commercial enterprise like ATS and so many other smaller conspiracy sites.

Yet it really is in my humble opinion one man's home page telling his own life story that may in fact be a highly embellished one.

Where I give it and him some credit is some of what he contends is so far off the chart I have never ever heard of anyone else on the planet putting it forth as a theory.

I have visited his site on about 4 occassions in about 1 year intervals and each time it is different.

I wish I had taken snap shots of them, as he shifts focus in his updates.

I do believe nonetheless that a very small group of people drive and manipulate world events and turn in turn to a small cadre of people they have recruited and groomed and possibly programmed to do the actual dangerous dirty work on the ground.

Whether Hyatt is one of them is hard to say.

I do love a good story though!

Thanks my friend.



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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Fear of Identity theft is another prime motivator to program people to accept these gradual changes of using biometric information.

The media tells us horror stories of the wrong person being arrested and charged, people have their credit ruined through no fault of their own, and we are given fantastic stories of someone's life becoming a nightmare through the damage rendered by identity theft.

Safeguards should have been put in place from the start. Your SS card used to have the words "not for identification purposes" typed on it. But even so, cashiers and sales clerks would often ask for it in order to cash or accept your check. Then, people even began putting their SS numbers on their personal check headers because it had become commonplace to be requested information.

In some states the SS number was also used as the drivers license number. And for many people the SS number was transferred as the number on their private health insurance cards.

Not for identity purposes? It ABSOLUTELY was demanded to be used for identity.

But now that our information has been compromised...(you may even find your SS number in full public view online if you look up some of your records) well of course, we have to "stop identity theft". How can we do this? Well, we will need to embed our identity marks beneath our skin where no one can physically take it from you.

This is such a strawman argument I am surprised more people don't see through this. Nevermind that it won't get lost like a card or that no one can take it from your wallet like a card. But what of those people who are holding the scanners? And what about inadvertent third parties that end up with your info? Really, what's to prevent misuse of your info even with a chip device?

Here's another example:





By now most of us realize that our social security numbers, unlisted phone numbers, and all manner of other data items that (we thought) were personal and private have become simple commodities flowing openly between various commercial databases and information brokers and pitch-men. Problems ranging from credit nightmares to identity fraud have become commonplace with the help of these databases. It couldn't get much worse, right?

Well, hold on to your pens, because it looks like we're poised on the edge of a new frontier in personal data commerce--signature databases. We all sign many documents in the course of daily living and it's generally assumed that signatures have some validity as an identifier, or else why use them? And we also usually implicitly assume that our signatures won't be made available to third parties on any kind of routine basis.

But it looks like this is starting to change, with the mammoth U.S. shipping company United Parcel Service (UPS) taking the lead among what can only be assumed will be the first of many entities using new technologies to capture and disseminate signature data.


www.vortex.com...





But of course, the publicity has been painted with many benefits, and it starts with the medical industry.


All of this has been a slow steady dribble of reprogramming people to accept that these new mandates will be for their own benefit and protection.

All the horror stories of stolen identity, while I am certain it happens, does seemed skewed beyond reasonable proportion. Fear is used to turn people toward the end result that *they* want. People would not accept these constraints unless they were first driven by fear to the point of feeling that they need this to "save" them.

Some people who now object to this will later "awaken" to agree with all of the NWO implementations and believe it is a good thing, after all. The cameras will catch the speeders and the 'bad guys'. (No, it's been proven that they have shortened the time on the yellow lights---and they will "catch" YOU!) It's all about commerce!

To those who even entertain such an idea I say remember the old maxim: Fool me twice....shame on me.

We really need to understand where these ideas and mandates are coming from. These things are being created and implemented by private institutions.


How will you know whether you are being reprogrammed or just waking up?

For me, if the motivation to make you accept it is based in fear---I am certain that it is a reprogramming tactic. Also, if it is touted to have a big benefit to you, I say turn over the rocks. We have all learned to ask "What's the catch?" We have learned that the greater advantage is usually to the one attempting to convince us that it's all been devised for our own good, pleasure, or salvation.





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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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Well congratulations folks.

You are 'all' becoming leaders (some already Are), though perhaps without your knowledge or 'ac/knowledgement'.

I have alot of respect for those who seek out that which they know is not 'right' in their world. You are all leaders in the making, including the trolls. They are getting an education as well whether they are aware of this or not. They are 'then' responsible with the knowledge they acquire once attained to 'use' it for the betterment of All concerned.

When one knows better, they are then responsible to Do better.
Of course some 'may' never learn the error of their ways.
They will be doomed to re-ride the wheel of ignorance off the same cliff as sO many before them.....and After.


[edit on 7-9-2010 by Perseus Apex]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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I would post more in depth about my Kaczynski theory but do not want to derail the thread.

Al Gore did no such thing.

Yes, I realize you're being obtuse, and humorous, but that man is an idiot.

He carried the documents from one office to another.

Then decades later, he lost a stolen election, and cried about it.

And then created a bogus movie, lying about Global Warming, to con everyone.

Careful, people might believe your obtuse reference to Gore, and take it seriously.



I do not mind that it delved into Kaczynski at all but it was not my intent to drive it there.

Do not forget the Hessian's assisted George Washington during the Revolutionary War.

That is as far back, in America, that I can trace mercenaries.

I am sure there is much more, an example is Captain Kidd, a privateer.

The Pirate Hunter : The True Story of Captain Kidd




Publishers Weekly : Amazon Review :

Entertaining, richly detailed and authoritatively narrated, Zacks's account of the life of legendary seaman William Kidd delivers a first-rate story.

Though Kidd, better known as Captain Kidd, was inextricably bound with piracy and has popularly gone down as a marauding buccaneer himself, Zacks (An Underground Education) argues that he was actually a mercenary backed by the English government and several New World investors to track down pirates and reclaim their stolen wares.

The book is cogent and replete with supporting evidence without the heavy-handed feel of some scholarly work.

What really sets the book apart is Zacks's gift as researcher and storyteller.

He highlights the role of an undeniable pirate, Robert Culliford, in Kidd's tale and pits the two men against each other from the outset, constructing his book as an intriguing duel.

Aside from the tightly constructed plot, Zacks also wonderfully evokes the social and political life of the 17th century at land and at sea, and he takes turns at debunking and validating pirate folklore: while it appears the dead giveaway of a skull and crossbones made it a rare flag choice, Zacks contends that pirates did often wear extravagant clothing and were as drunk, cursing, hungry, horny... and violent as myth would have them.

Augmented by such details and driven by a conflict between Kidd and Culliford that keeps the pages flying, Zacks's book is a treasure, indeed. Copyright 2002 Cahners Business Information, Inc.


Historically speaking mercenaries have been around for centuries, at least.

Considering you opened the door to speaking on Blackwater/Xe and through them mercenaries, how far back historically, do you see "programming" going?



And I have a Blackwater, prior to their slithering to Xe, thread, if you're interested.

Blackwater : Right-Wing Conservative America, Whether You Like It Or Not...

I do not go into programming there but policy, procedure, and protocol.

Which can be interpreted as a type of programming if you will.

I live by that and have all of my life.

Reading on Blackwater/Xe with the book that started the above thread, as well as a book on extraordinary rendition, I got the impressions of the event of their snatching "terrorists" that is was a Sub-Project of MK-ULTRA, in some way, due to the elements of their rendtions.

Ghost Plane: The True Story of the CIA Rendition and Torture Program




Amazon Review :

On June 10th, 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced that the US had captured a known terrorist who was exploring a plan to explode a "dirty bomb" on American soil.

That alleged terrorist was José Padilla who was finally charged in 2005 with conspiracy to murder.

What Ashcroft didn't talk about was how information against him was obtained – by the relentless torture of one man-- Binyam Mohamed, in the name of the United States.

Arrested at Karachi Airport before Padilla’s arrest on April 10, 2002, Mohamed was put on a luxury executive jet and flown to an interrogation center in Morocco.

For over 18 months, he was subjected to one torture after another:

Beating followed beating and, then, his guards produced razor blades and began to split the skin all over his body, including on his genitals.

Since 1997, hundreds of people, many of whom have no ties to terrorist organizations, have been abducted from foreign airports or street corners on suspicions based at times on the flimsiest of evidence courtesy of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

In Ghost Plane, Stephen Grey tells the true story of the CIA's torture program known by the euphemism "extraordinary rendition" and the airplanes that make the program run.

Begun during the Clinton administration, but taking a decidedly more voracious turn after 9/11, the rendition system has seen the transfer of more than 1000 prisoners into jails stretching from Guantanamo to Syria, from Kabul to Bangkok and beyond.

Grey had access to the thousands of CIA flight records and has interviewed dozens of sources from the most senior levels of the National Security Council to the CIA.

In Ghost Plane, he paints a disturbing picture of the War on Terror that reaches to the highest levels of power in Washington, D.C. and exposes the extreme ethical corruption at the heart of this US government program, a program finally acknowledged by President George Bush in September 2006, undertaken in the name of the citizens of the United States.

Bolded by SKL


Follow what each "terrorist" had happens and it fits the profile of MK-ULTRA.

1) Trauma through being snatched off the street.

2) Sleep and sensory depravation.

3) Disorientation.

4) Denial of common dignity.

5) Being beaten, tortured, screamed at constantly, treated like an animal.

National Security is blanket coverage of covert actions to deny accountability.

I could see all involved, directly, those in the planes/jets, as being a sleeper cell.

Meaning programmed to commit to some action through indoctrination.

But those 19 hijackers were but pawns in a larger chess game.

[edit on 7-9-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Nobody is awake, thats the funny thing about it, we are ALL "asleep" you can be aware that you are sleeping but doesnt mean you are awake, just you have a good awareness.

Untill you lose your awareness because you keep thinking you are awake, like every other moron who gets stuck in this weird ass dream world we keep thinking we are living.

think of this as Limbo execpt no one learns so we relive new lives in an attempt to learn the meaning of our lives which we fail cause our brains are too small to comprehend it "the defination of irony

We can try and even make a purposae for our existence but in the long run, its a hard road



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

Being awake is a confusing, maybe even terrifying experience to some, to others it is pure Joy, a liberation of the soul.

What comes with being "Awake" is the realisation that you are responsible for your own actions. What do you do with this new power. It is so awesome, one might think it best to put it back in its box and continue letting others guide their life.

Here is your instruction manual.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

This isn't a religious creed. It is the basic Truth on which all religions were formed, and later corrupted by man. It is a scientific fact that when two opposing forces collide, their destruction is inevitable. Man, each of us, is a destructive force without adherence to this basic truth. It is the purpose of our free Will. We must choose to give each other room for all of our perspectives and respect each other. As a species dependant on each for our survival, it is more than respect. We must love each other as we love ourselves.

Do you not feel it in your core? Do you not want to be loved above all else?

It is the tie that binds us. It is the string that makes us one. Religiously or scientifically, we all have a part to contribute to our survival.

We are at a pivotal moment in time My Brothers and Sisters. Our awakened state will either destroy us as our untamed passions run wild over this earth. Or we can subdue them and love each other, throw off our chains of captivity, and proudly proclaim

I AM (your unique self)
King of Kings (Sovereign of yourself amongst sovereigns of themselves)
I am here to reclaim my Kingdom (Free of the governments and judgements which have bound you for ages).

Think on it Brothers and Sisters

Can we do better than what we have done so far?

With Love,

Your Brother

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posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas


Historically speaking mercenaries have been around for centuries, at least.

Considering you opened the door to speaking on Blackwater/Xe and through them mercenaries, how far back historically, do you see "programming" going?






Alethea: "I'll take 'Bible Scoundrels' for $400, Alex!"

(Proto groans. He doesn't like all this Bible stuff.)

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Alex: "Well, it's the Daily Double!"

Alex: "Which Old Testament pirate is celebrated with a very special holy day in which participants eat his hat?"

(Spartan King mumbles "no such thing")

Alethea:"Who is Hamman?"

Alex: "That's correct. Now, for the Daily Double question, what is the name of the holy day?"

Alethea: "What is Purim?"

Alex: "That is correct."

Alethea: "The Jews eat a special tri-cornered pastry, which is in the shape of a pirates hat. And it is sprinkled with poppy seeds. I believe it is very metaphorical, considering poppy seeds induce sleep and unaware compliance, which make for easy pickin's for pirates."

And not to mention...

Alex: "Sorry Alethea. We're out of time now."



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Yet the nagging question remains, if these things are real to what end are they being used.




I find many of the questions posed here eliciting some very disturbing thoughts. It's one thing when we are presented with information that we can disseminate by using our capacities of reason, discernment, research, etc. But when you mention things like the silent sound warfare, we are getting into an unknown territory that supersedes our human abilities to overcome . We would loose our free will completely if this technology could force it's will upon us. We would truly be puppets if this could be accomplished.

While thinking of this post, something kept nagging me and I suddenly realized what it was reminding me of. Perhaps you are familiar with Patrick Flanagan and his "pyramid power" concepts? He was involved in Think Tanks from an early age. One of his inventions is the Neurophone.







The basic concept of the Neurophone is it has an audio input, which can come from a microphone, tape recorder, radio etc.... With an output that goes to two transducers that you wear as a head band. The transducer disks are made from Zirconium Titanate imbedded in acrylic plastic tiles which possesses the same dielectric constant as human skin. The end result is that your brain perceives the sound that is input into the Neurophone with NO involvement of the Ear.

www.angelfire.com...




I seem to remember from reading a long time ago, that in some of the experiments conducted, the subjects were able to learn a foreign language...not by actually listening and studying the language, but by hooking up the transducers to the language tapes and the sound silently passing into the brain. After a period of repetition you would just wake up one day recognizing the language when it was spoken and being able to respond.


The most disappointing thing ever, is that, if this type of technology is available, why is it being used for evil instead of good? I believe many inventors started out with altruistic intentions and somewhere along the line it was stolen from them and silenced, and twisted into being used in an evil capacity.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 03:58 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Are People Waking Up or are They Just Being Reprogrammed?


Sorry of being late for the party.

That might be the case though. I would imagine that really awoken people wouldn't be preaching the dogma here on ATS (and elsewhere, of course) like parrots, but maybe focus on real issues. Or at least they would have a critical stance towards the whole 'enlightenment' business and this dogma presented by the new-age 'illuminates'. Maybe their proverb "everything is illusion" applies to their teachings as well.

"As soon as a coin in the coffer rings / the soul from purgatory springs."
-Johann Tetzel

It seems to me that above quote is yet again topical.

-v



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 04:33 AM
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Why Are people wriTing coded messageS on here?


oh, thats Right, they U "get it" or "are getting it" or are hoping they "wilL gEt it" Someday.

Cool




sl

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