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reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 04:23 PM by Esoteric Teacher
reply to post by gortex



Star and Flag gortex. thanks for sharing. here are some of my thoughts after watching the first ten minute segment:

I may not agree with all of his conclusions. But Stanton Friedman has some powerful oratorical magniloquence in his arsenal. I really like some of the things he says and his sense of humor is stellar. One of my personal favorite quotes from him: "I am not a conspiracy theorist".

Stanton Friedman makes reference to “Stupid things smart people say”

Stanton Friedman also says science’s arrogance is another thing keeping us from the truth.

That I agree with. Scientists’ arrogance does hinder us from getting the truth.
Look At what Stephen Hawking said: “Even if I had the ultimate answer, I would not share it because then what would there be left for anyone else to do?”

What the hell Stephen Hawking????

Seriously arrogant!!!

A fair analogy would be:
Stephen Hawking is a member of a relay race, but he refuses to hand off the baton to the next runner because Stephen Hawking has it in his head he already won the race. The finish line is the truth, but Stephen wouldn’t hand off the baton (share what he knows) because he already won the race without getting to the finish line, and breaking the tape.


i'm going to watch the rest of the videos. thanks for sharing these with us gortex. i'll more than likely buy the book

-et



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reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 04:45 PM by gortex
reply to post by buddhasystem





A large portion of this lecture seems to be telling us that "Science Was Right", in contradiction to the lecture's title

So you have watched the whole video ? , I posted it 30 minutes ago and it runs for 1.22 , or have you seen it before , it was posted yesterday .
Or have you just made an assumption of the contents of the video and decided to comment on your assumption .


reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 04:47 PM by buddhasystem
reply to post by gortex



I watched a few parts of it from different segments, a few minutes each, and was quite underwhelmed. For a brief history of nuclear weapons, I can always pass on Stanton's primitive drama and use Wikipedia (or my old college books). Same applies to other topics.


reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 04:51 PM by Esoteric Teacher
reply to post by buddhasystem



Merriam-Webster: Magniloqunce

From latin origins meaning "to speak".

star 4 u buddhasystem,
et



reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 11:49 AM by gortex
reply to post by DoomsdayRex





Of all the logical fallacies employed by believers, this particular hybrid of confirmation-bias and argument-from-ignorance non-sequitur has to be my favorite.

Good .... glad you liked it , always happy to help .
Of course we all know that science is the only true religion , science is infallible and is never wrong , why would anyone even bother to question scientific reason .


reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 12:03 PM by gortex
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Glad you enjoyed it mate , I must say its one of the best video's I have seen in a while , no matter what the pseudo skeptics may say Stan is a great orator and he knows his stuff , long may he continue



reply posted on 7-9-2010 @ 02:08 AM by MarrsAttax
reply to post by DoomsdayRex



I don't think Stanton was using these examples to assert that because those luminaries got it wrong therefore UFOs must exist. Rather he was just using it as a device to show that science doesn't always know everything.

The lecture, to me, was more of a plea to scientists to acknowledge that they don't know everything and to make their minds up based on the available evidence and not what they believe the available evidence to be or as he puts it to get away from the mindset of 'don't bother me with the facts, my mind's made up. And also not to let fear of ridicule prevent them from even starting to look at the subject. When you think of it why should any subject be taboo from study from science?
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