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Originally posted by infinite
Originally posted by Logarock
My first incounter with muslims in NYC back in 1979....they were armed and firing shots into the air on 42nd street trying to scare off the christain street preachers. Yes there was a violent cell in NY for many years before the first WTC bombing.
Oh really? You'd think an event like that would make the news...
Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by Boomer1941
I find it interesting still when people bring up all the horrible things the Quar'ran teaches as some kind of evidence that Muslims suck. All the while, the bible has some equally horrific things to say. My favorites are allowing to sell children into slavery, not touching women and making them sleep in the barn while their being visited by the Aunt Flow (those aren't horrific, but still my favorite)
Originally posted by madhadder545
Well at first I was going to use all your points to disprove your conclusion.
I was ready for the kill lol. Then when I read your points I realized that they were the same points I was going to use against you but as I read and you explained I realized where you were going and if I used an open mind it could be plausable!!
Like I said I thought we were being programmed to like and love Islam and accept, but now you force me to question that which I have came to believe..
flags and stars friend
I wouldn't defend the bible at all, you name it, it's all there, but I don't see any Christan terrorists suicide bombing anyone.
My question would be why haven't the Muslims as a whole stood up as a whole, everywhere and condemned these Islamic Terrorists, where are the demonstrations, where's the PR Campaign???
Originally posted by frugal
They don't treat women as equals and according to my husband they wear a diaper on their heads. I see a burka as a prison for women. They teach their children to use machine guns..... I feel if they worked hard, got along, were repectful to women, and built wells they would prosper.
a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns...The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule and were launched in response to a call from the Christian Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia. The term is also used to describe contemporaneous and subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century in territories outside the Levant usually against pagans, heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons. Rivalries among both Christian and Muslim powers led also to alliances between religious factions against their opponents, such as the Christian alliance with the Sultanate of Rum during the Fifth Crusade.
Originally posted by Cythraul
The terrifying thing about this is that most patriots I speak to are unwilling to consider Muslims a pawn in the game, every bit as much as Europeans are. Saying that 9/11 and 7/7 were implemented to setup Islam as 'the bad guy' is seen as siding-with-the-liberal-left-establishment, when in reality it is the only genuine anti-establishment position. It is strongly-believed that the establishment are pro-Islam and that if the media and government are apologising for Muslims, then Muslims must be the enemy every bit as much as the government. This is wrong!
I oppose the Islamification of Europe - not because I dislike Islam but simply because I wish to preserve the ancient native heritage of Europe. It's not to do with hating foreign cultures but rather loving native ones.
I worry first and foremost for the liberties of all people worldwide. Liberty is not worth sacrificing for the sake of cultural preservation, if that is even what it would come to. Our enemies are the traitors in charge, not the people who choose to follow a different way of life to ourselves, nor the ones who take advantage of lax border controls to make a better life for themselves.
This, like all threads surrounding Islam and Muslims, is likely to become heated. I hope we can all remain respectful.
US President Barack Obama, marking the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks at a time of bitter religious tensions, pledged Saturday the United States will "never" be at war with Islam.
In the wake of tense controversy surrounding a renegade Florida pastor's threat to publicly burn hundreds of copies of the Koran to mark 9/11 and debate over plans to a Muslim community center and place of worship near Ground Zero, Obama urged his compatriots to be "tolerant."
"As Americans, we will not and never will be at war with Islam," he said at a memorial service at the Pentagon to remember the 184 people who were killed after a hijacked plane slammed into the Defense Department headquarters.
"It was not a religion that attacked us that September day. It was Al-Qaeda, a sorry band of men, which perverts religion."
Originally posted by Boomer1941
I can honestly say I don't hate muslims, I just don't trust them nor would I ever turn my back on them. With what the Koran teaches them about any one who isn't muslim how can they be trusted.