Parallel Universes Proven

"Parallel Universes" already has a meaning (vernacular), it's an awesome story and experiment and does have wonderful ramifications but saying this proves parallel universes is misleading.

That being said - I believe everything has constituents in the quantum realms, just as all molecules are made of atoms. The problem is that part of being human is that we are ignorant to reality. We don't have the senses/mechanisms, without years of meditation, to access quantum reality.

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That vid (or the author's ideas) has nothing to do with string theory. It's a product of his imagination, nothing more.

Another helping of classic Matrix Rising gobbledygook.

I believe her argument goes like this:

1. The object is in a superposed state.

2. This means it's in two places at the same time.

3. Therefore one of those places has got to be another universe.

4. Therefore parallel universes exist.

With logic like that, who needs facts? Come to think of it, who even needs logic?

What is up with of these grouches on ATS? The guy simply wanted to share this information he found that he happened to find really interesting which happens to "show quantum states" which he believes proves quantum mechanics. Not everyone has the chance to visit ATS as often as others....

Personally I think if you can do an experiment that can display "a quantum state" then by all means does that not prove the existence of such an entity? I mean how much more evidence does there have to be? I feel like Galileo during the 16th century arguing that the earth revolves around the sun....

Originally posted by s7ryk3r
What is up with of these grouches on ATS? The guy simply wanted to share this information he found that he happened to find really interesting which happens to "show quantum states" which he believes proves quantum mechanics. Not everyone has the chance to visit ATS as often as others....

No, s/he is saying that this experiment proves parallel universes. Which it doesn't.

What bollocks the article can't even get shroedingers cat correct!!!!

The though experiment is that a particle can decay or not. We don't know which. If it decays the cat is dead if not it lives. THE CAT IS NOT IN SUPERPOSITION. The decaying (or not) particle is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, the thought was mistakenly extended to say the cat is dead or not. That quantum assumption is complete bollocks and a reflection of the physicists inability to say:

I don't know what state a particle is in until I see it, so it must be both. Utter arrogant nonsense.

Take a million particles and 500,000 will decay , 500,000 will not. BUT YOU CANNOT SAY WHICH and that drives physicists mad.

All particles are driven by random states. This means that on the small scale particles can be quite distorted (throw a dice six times and each number will come up - no way!). However on the macro scale billions of particles will have (assuming a 50:50state) so equal so as not notice. (throw a dice a billion times and you WILL NOT GET ALL NUMBERS PRACTICALLY EQUAL-PLOT IT AND tHE DIFFERENCE WILL BE SMALLER THAN THE THICKNESS OF THE LINE!!!!). Physicists hate this (surely a state can be predicted - NOT ON THE MICRO SCALE) hence why Einstein said - God does not play dice with the universe. He forgot that "god" threw billions of dice masking any imbalances.......if you believe in god!

Originally posted by indigothefish

so if parallel universes can be proven does that mean there is another me in another parallel universe typing this thread and posting in it???


[edit on 9/5/2010 by indigothefish]

Maybe, but maybe not. Maybe your mother married someone else in a parallel universe and you were never born. Or maybe you were born and diead at a young age. Or maybe there is another you in a parallel universe who's life has taken a completely different path. You may be someone who scoffs at conspiracy theories and would never dream of posting on ATS, but you probably don't even know that ATS exists.

I can think of a use for it...........
Atom Splitting/Not Splitting=constant release of energy. If i'm understanding it correctly.
Gravity Wells
Warp
Just a few ideas that spring to mind with a constant state .....Flux....
A very world changing breakthought if fully understood? If I understood it properly?

As for Parallel Universes that could explain my weird dream, the universe where the allies lost WW2






[edit on 6-9-2010 by DreamerOracle]

If both states could be observed, then it means both states happened in this universe.

Personally, I don't see why parallel universes are needed. Matter may be "built" in such a way that superposition happens within a single universe.

Idk about this lol.

Maybe they set the paddle to the "range of frequencies" that a sensor is unable to tell the different between whether or not the paddle is moving or not.

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Highly missleading topic from a very poor written article. How very typical of ATS.

Which poses the question, why would someone who believes this even bother posting comments on ATS? For that matter, why would he have even registered as a member?

When I encounter a website who's "typical" practice is to present information that originates out of lack of knowledge, erroneous presumptions, flawed logic, or outright deceit, I do not make it a practice to continue visiting the site.

What I find "typical" is that many members can't wait for the opportunity to attack a thread for it's content and then imply it's common for false information to be found on ATS. Why do these people exist here if this is what they believe? It seems to me that anyone who has this opinion would find no useful purpose for coming here?

"It's good for physics for sure," Wang says

I completely disagree. I'd say it's rather a disaster for physics.

Physics was born as a way to model reality, math evolved so it was able to keep up with physics, but when you start to write sci-fi to justify equations resulting from purely mathematical transformations that hold no relationship with the reality then in my opinion you are starting to loose the track.

Through a series of careful measurements, they were able to show that the paddle was both vibrating and not vibrating simultaneously.

That series of careful measurements that are not even mentioned in the article, despite of being the most important part of it, I'm pretty sure were either not that careful or they were not properly interpreted.

About the conclusion driven by the op from the article it's like me saying that objects tend to fall because it's God's wish. I'd even go further and state that magnetism is actually a manifestation of God: magnetism is a force and there should be someone or something exerting that force, as nothing is observed it has to be God himself. Furthermore I could go on and say that because magnetism happens everywhere it is proved that God is omnipresent too...

They then cooled the system down to temperatures below one-tenth of a kelvin.

At one-tenth of a kelvin it's true that the 'quantum drum' it's very cool but it still has some energy on it and it'd keep having that energy until it'd reach 0 kelvin witch by the way I think it's impossible to reach. That tiny energy that it's still present in there may have very well affected the experiment.

But hey, I'm not a physicist! I can very well assume that the experiment was very well performed...

This is why a 3 dimensional object is described by information encoded on a 2 dimensional surface area 1/4 the size of it's volume. This is because you need the extra dimensions to describe the entangled states.

You mean if we take for example a sphere which as far as I remember has a volume of (4*PI*R^3)/3 it now has a surface of (PI*R^3)/3 instead of 4*PI*R^2 ?!

Here is a quote from sometime last week, written by me, near enough explaning almost word for word everything you have described about the nature of reality and the relationship between quantum micro objects and macro objects of a different scale. HAving beeen transposed form the energy realm, where matter has not yet come into being, and thus has a more pure formless form, it that makes any sense...
..this may explain things a little deeper:

"Evolution as i see it, goes beyond the life forms we call animals. Forms of this universe, particles, objects, cells, tissue, organs, organisms... are all from the same source. This same universal energy, the cause of all existence, can be scientifically observed, emotionally experienced, as well as objectively defined, in my opinion, without loosing the mystery at heart of our essential essence. Pure energy. I not saying this source is in any way "non-physical", just that what we call physical is no less spiritual the more we can objectively define and observe its core mechanics. Conversely, i believe the more we look at quantum structures of this universe, the more its mystery deepens and humbles the curious mind. Purely awesome, we can see so many common characteristics in our dimension, that the one-ness in it all becomes almost inescapable. Allow your heart the freedom to be capable, if only for this moment, to fluctuate between being a mechanical soulless muscle - mere organ in you chest, into something which recognises its true identity as an Earthling who has a heart which beats our consciousness into being - purely an organ of planet earth, beating with life. Very much in the same way as the driving force behind the electron, where a fluctuation occurs, beating motion on the quantum scale of our dimension, where this thing we call "matter" periodically comes in and out of existence, beating, like a heart. We all have one. And as its beats, life, we cause other things to resonate with this beat, possibly in parallel dimensions, where the universe operates in a way currently unobservable by physicists. Just understand and see that one of the basic principles of physics tells us that Energy is never lost, its is only ever dissipated into the environment. Our "environment" is our dimension, where energy has fluctuated or to use a musical term "transposed" itself into the rules and laws which govern the nature of this dissipation. Coal is mainly Carbon, but carbon is oil, dust, treeleaves, whatever rules of existance this form comes into contact with, inturn transposed into.. But there are many scales to perceive in this. Yes we know for a fact energy enters our dimension, from some mysterious "elsewhere", but what we don't yet know is how in fact this energy is dissipated entirely. What fraction have we come to perceive as beings. compared to the multiparralells we can logically conceive, due to the multiparrallels we can already perceive though scientific instruments, and invoke beautifully through musical instruments? The electromagnetic spectrum for has this small slither in the "middle" - a relative term? - we call the "visual light" spectrum. Snuggly between infra-red and ultraviolet. This is the part of reality we can look at.. but really its a slither.,,,, and what i am suggesting is this..


we can literally see from the moment we wake up a tiny portion of the electro-magentic spectrum... but, really, is this merely a slither within a slither?"

visit the link to find out what i think about the physical definable, presence and nature, with its presence in nature, god? The energy force of Consciousness, Life, Being, Existance, in all dimensions, all layers, all multiparralels.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 6/9/2010 by DizzyDayDream]

this is great. I know that the dubble slit theory is the grandaddy of quantum physics, and that they did this experiment sometime back with a small wire, but never with an object of this size.
Thats pretty awesome. It shows how one object can be in two places at the same time, and how its only our perception, observation, that forces an object into the state we see it in, which of course, is only the state where it reflects the lightwaves we can detect through our eyes.
Its pretty remarkable, if you ask me, that we are now able to see, through observation, the same thing we could only detect without it.
Very awesome article and find.
Star and flag.

Powered by Intel Pentium Parallel Universe-

Now that'd be cooking with gas.

As a major novice on this subject...I have a question that I would like to offer for discussion. If parallel universes exist, I would assume that they occupy the same space as our universe. In other words, that another planet in a parallel universe could exist in the same space as our Earth...or nearby...for example. And if so, is it possible that this parallel planet could some how phase in and out, interacting at some level with Earth?

Ok...here is why I ask. If two planets could exist in two different, parallel universes, and phase in and out, and some how interact with each other...couldn't that answer a lot of questions about aliens, strange creatures, 2012, Nibiru, ancient aliens, ghosts, etc., etc., etc.? And then, couldn't it also answer some Bible stories such as Jesus returning and saving the "righteous" from the destruction of Earth as told in Revelation? In short...wouldn't a parallel world (especially one with intelligent beings aware of other parallel worlds) offer an alternative answer of how and why...to one, some or all of these unexplained phenomenon?

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Personally I think if you can do an experiment that can display "a quantum state" then by all means does that not prove the existence of such an entity? I mean how much more evidence does there have to be? I feel like Galileo during the 16th century arguing that the earth revolves around the sun....

such is the nature of paradigms.
second line.

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

In my opinion. we are actually just shooting out an energy projection, and that's why it's called an astral(name of the place or type of energy used) projection (projected energy into the "astral" realm), but forget the names. We are taking energy from our body and throwing it into that realm and using it to remote view in a sense. It is very sensitive, easily destroyed and runs out of power quickly and when it does the experience is over and you need to fire out a new one if you wish to continue.

CavemanDD

Maybe it is a little like astral projection is to a human body, as described by CavemanDD above in the thread link offered.


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Tsk, tsk. Somewhere out on the other side of the Universe you're praising the wonders of the incredible Universe we live in.

Particles make up our brain. How do they know how to make a brain?
^ See how you can contradict yourself when you say particles don't think?

Yeah they're not sex-driven overly complicated misguided yet intelligent species like us, but they work together to form the mass body and electrical currents that supply us life. They work together because they know they must work together. And when we die they will naturely break apart and fertilize the the ground and become something else.

EDIT TO ADD:

The Law of Energy:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only change.

When I was a kid, I remember learning that in science. Then I realized everything consistes of energy, living or dead, stars, plasma, planets, oxygen, animals, everything. We're all made of something that can't be created or destroyed, only changes (ie: human dies, body blends in with Earth the soul/electrical currents find other electrical bodies.) Particles are more intelligent than we give them credit for.

Energy is immortal. God (Universe, all that's in exists as we know it) is immortal. Therefore (A + B = C) God is energy and everything consists of energy so everything is connected under God. Everything never *truely* dies.

I don't think I'm 100% right but it makes sense to me...

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Here you go:

Let's start with a fast sprinter. This sprinter can run the 50 yard dash in record time. This sprinter represents a subatomic particle(photon,electron).

Now let's say this sprinter gets entangled with a 50 lbs. backpack. Now this sprinter is easier to locate when he's trying to run the 50 yard dash.

If he's entangled with 200 lbs then he will slow down to a crawl.

The entangled sprinter is us or any macroscopic object.

The subatomic particle is so fast that it can interefere with itself an be in two different places at the same time.

It's also so small that it could travel for long periods of time in a state of superposition.

This isn't the case with macroscopic objects. This is because of decoherence. This just means it's easier for large objects to interact with their enviroments and decohere. Also, you can't detect any interference patterns with large objects.

So for years the question has been, are large objects in a state of superposition.

There's two leading theories in quantum mechanics. One is called many worlds interpretation and the other one is the copenhagen interpretation.

Copenhagen says superposition doesn't apply to us and it's just a mathematical description of a quantum event. Many worlds says superposition does happen with large objects and these different states are Parallel universes.

People like Einstein and Schrodinger thought it was absurd to apply things like superposition to our classical world and this led to Schrodinger's though experiment about the dead/live cat.

We now come to this article. It shows that macroscopic objects are in a state of superposition. We're way past Planck's Constant which is where superposition should cease if it just applies to the quantum world.

This experiment shows that Parallel universes exist. Just think about the everyday world, we don't see cars moving and not moving or people walking and not walking. It doesn't make any sense to say both states can occur in a single universe. They can't and we don't see the superposition of macroscopic objects.

Also, this is a matter of information and computation. There isn't enough computational power in a single universe to describe the superposition of states of macroscopic objects. This computation has to be taking place somewhere.

This is why quantum computers will be so powerful. People will have laptop computers that have more computational power than a single universe. Who knows, we could be a simulation on someone's quantum computer. It will be easy to simulate a single universe on a quantum computer. This is because quantum computers carry out computation in parallel universes instead of a single universe.

For instance you have something called Shor's Algorithm. To solve Shor's Algorithm on a classical computer would take years but you can do it quickly on a quantum computer.

We know the universe contains 10/90 bits and it has carried out 10/120 operations. This would be easy for a quantum computer to simulate.

So the single universe doesn't have the computational power to calculate the superposition of macroscopic objects.

Macroscopic objects are in a state of superposition but these states don't interfere with each other or they interfere every once in a blue moon. This is because of decoherence. So these states don't interfere but they are PARALLEL to each other.

Just think of it like this. Microscopic objects can be in a state of superposition and we can detect the interference patterns. Macroscopic objects can be in a state of superposition but we can't detect interference because of decoherence and the superposition of macroscopic objects are parallel to each other.

Like I said, I think this proves that Parallel universes exist. There's no other explanation because we shouldn't see superposition on a macroscopic level if it's just a mathematical curiosity of the quantum world. Superposition should stop at Planck scales but clearly it doesn't.

I hope this helps.