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necromonican occult majik explained,dont miss it!!

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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dontreally your a really wise individual you could of really been used to deprogramme some of the people Seraphaem used his mind manipulation on or what ever force surrounding him conveyed and he wasen't the only one in that circle others were using energy to manipulate forces and people around them and not for the work of good either.


But your philosophy on magik and how it's used is spot on, and your knowledge is very advanced and your right, alot of things in the Bible are lessons and philosophy and aren't ment to be taken as actual things that are to happen in a physical way, for the record i'm Christian but don't consider my self Catholic Baptist ect ect as i don't believe in organized religion, but i found your take on things very accurate and true....good reading.




posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 11:04 AM
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hp lovecraft, byron, shelly, blake, bacon, Goethe, etc etc can all go to hell

dont really laying the smack down,gotta love it





posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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dontreally your a really wise individual you could of really been used to deprogramme some of the people Seraphaem used his mind manipulation on or what ever force surrounding him conveyed and he wasen't the only one in that circle others were using energy to manipulate forces and people around them and not for the work of good either

Ill second that Seesar, dontreally is a gentleman,he has taking lots of time to help me with stuff and i have to say he has being very patient with me,im very grateful my friend


Seesar you also have helped me a lot with things,thank you very much



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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The temple institute in Jerusalem has already built many of the items to be used in the future Temple in Jerusalem

so in your opinion is it only a matter of time before it is rebuilt? very interesting stuff mate



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by johnny c
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The temple institute in Jerusalem has already built many of the items to be used in the future Temple in Jerusalem

so in your opinion is it only a matter of time before it is rebuilt? very interesting stuff mate


Well, theyve built a 3 million dollar solid gold menorah, and all the other items used in the temple...

go to templeinstitute.org to check it out.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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Im on it now mate,very interesting indeed,no doubt this will be built by the look of it.
Hey Dontreally ,please excuse my lack of knowledge,what is that gold box with the handles and the two angels on top,its on that website you provided?
I seen this flash on the screen in a program i was watching about the holy grail.I think ill get to learn some information from
the site you provided



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by johnny c
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Im on it now mate,very interesting indeed,no doubt this will be built by the look of it.
Hey Dontreally ,please excuse my lack of knowledge,what is that gold box with the handles and the two angels on top,its on that website you provided?
I seen this flash on the screen in a program i was watching about the holy grail.I think ill get to learn some information from
the site you provided


Its a replica of the ark of the covenant.

The real ark is underneath the temple mount; specifically beneath the floor hatch in the dome of the rock in a Cavern. Or so i hear.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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Thanks dontreally,ah thats what it is! ,i think i knew that somewhere deep inside me.Is that where it is ment to be? very good.Would the real Ark be left in place when the new temple is being built? or would it be removed?
Do you think its hidden or put there for a holy reason?
In your opinion does Roslin chapel in Scotland hold sacred artifacts aswell?

The replica is a beautiful peice of craftsmanship,i can only imaging what the real one is like.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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I do not think it wise to beLIEve anyone who says "My version of reality,truth etc" is correct. I have offered a few of my opinions on Magick. I also suggested a few books that have great information, in my opinion, on the subject. A lot of what I have read on this thread seems to be fear and people who are not in the know about magick or grimoires The Key of Solomon would sound like a grim book if all of that which is written was not written in code. Most books from over 50 years ago on magick were written in code to keep the uninitiated and profane from learning the true meanings of the great work. i have already stated that the archtypical forces are the "demons/angels" at work. These archtypical forcesare inside of your mind buried deep. The point of it all is waking up to the fact that everything in this world exist inside of your head. You create your world through thought. We perceive our world through language used by our parents, elders, to describe and give opinion to what and how things work. General Semantics. "The map is not the territory, the menu is not the meal" What we are seeing is not the "Real" world. As all of this is in our head we are all one. Once you have understanding of the illusion of being asunder you can work on expanding the infinite. My maxim of 10 years has been "I am everything and nothing... all at once" Look into Robert Anton wilson, Lon Milo Duquette, Aleister Crowley. Remember that a lot of the "Evil and negative" things were written in coded language or to keep the naysayers away. The bulk of the info is to look within, find your true will, and love one another for we are all one.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:16 AM
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Hey ANSPHAR,hows it going,thanks for the reply. I found what you had to say very interesting. sorry if i had of seeing you before on the thread i would of replied,sorry about that.In your opinion everything we see is a illusion and we can learn to master the illusion because we are the ones that create it?



Remember that a lot of the "Evil and negative" things were written in coded language or to keep the naysayers away. The bulk of the info is to look within, find your true will, and love one another for we are all one.


A very brilliant plan if you ask me,people normally want no part of evil and stay well away.
In your opinion did Alister Crowley murder children in rituals like he said in his book? Or was this part of the plan to keep people away also? thanks very much for your input to my thread,nice one




edit on 15/8/2010 by johnny c because: typo



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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Hello,
The whole "murdering small children " thing 150 times a year was a reference to masturbation. Did Crowley really sacrifice children?

No. Most of the rumors concerning “child sacrifice” stem from disingenuous misquoting of a passage from his book Magick in Theory and Practice:

“For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. ”

Even though he is quoting someone else, taken out of context, this seems pretty damning. However, Crowley was in fact discussing, in a semi-humorous way, the practice of ritual masturbation, which he believed constituted a form of “sacrifice,” according to the old biblical idea of preventing contraception by “spilling seed.” As he explains in his footnote on the same page,

“… ‘It is the sacrifice of oneself spiritually. And the intelligence and innocence of that male child are the perfect understanding of the Magician, his one aim, without lust of result. And male he must be, because what he sacrifices is not the material blood, but his creative power.’ …”

In reality, Crowley considered even abortion to be a crime and certainly never advocated child murder, which is quite evident if one delves into his writings.

Human sacrifice would also be against Crowley’s “Law of Thelema,” which considers it a grave sin to interfere with the will of another person. This of course takes all the fun out of it for the hysterics, who continue to gleefully recount this passage as a literal truth.

That is taken from altreligion.net...
You should look at the section of FAQ about Crowley.
As far as mastering the illusion that would be a great goal. Master the self master the world. I think Semantics, NLP,and the occult and noetic sciences should be studied.. All we can have are opinions that resonate inside us as "Truths" Just know that these are not truths though, only to you. We are all different in our perception of the world but our separation from each and every aspect of the universe is illusion



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Hey Ansphar ,thanks for the reply. so it was all takin out of context and this probably would of humored crowley no end with him calling himself the beast.In actuallity he was talking about something else.




The whole "murdering small children " thing 150 times a year was a reference to masturbation. Did Crowley really sacrifice children?

That actually makes sense with him being the one that started the O.T.O ,sexual majik was his thing i think?
Im very un educated on the subject,but the little i do know is how much he disliked the christian religion from his early days with his mother and i can more imaging him having some form of anti christian ritual than going murdering 150 kids a year.thanks for your input mate,i had swallowed the line of him being a super physo child eating nut.[i feel silly] Some other occultists preform murders like this? would this be a proper asumption?
thanks for your help



edit on 15/8/2010 by johnny c because: missing letter



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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Hey,
Crowley did NOT start the O.T.O. He was made the outer head after realizing he had let out a secret of sex magick in the Book of Lies. Crowley was nicknamed the Beast by his mother so he kept the name to annoy her. He actually was quite the Christian scholar and could recite any passage from the Bible by memory. The whole Great Beast 666 is actually in reference to the Greek To Mega Therion and he explained in a court case for slander against him that it breaks down into "the Sun" One of Crowley's names in the Golden Dawn during one of his grades was actually a Bible quote.I think Aleister's problem with religion is that it caused bickering, people to not think for themselves, and can make people not self reliant. I posted a new thread entitled "Clearing Aleister Crowley's name" in the Metaphysics forum. if you have any other questions on the occult or magick I will be glad to help. I have almost 20 years of religion/occult knowledge.Been an avid student since I was 8



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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As far as Occult members murdering people I am sure it has happened. I don't like the idea of murder and I do believe that most in the magickal and/or New Age world would not condone that or any negative action at all.Once again semantics over "Right/Wrong" are to be acknowledged since we all have our own opinions but murder is wrong. Plain and simple. Sacrifice of animals is wrong too. I am not a fan of so called Satanist and "Black" magicians who buy some books, read a few chapters, wear black, and b.s. themselves through a "ritual" Magick is simply a form of elevated prayer. I explained in my first post that you take your affirmation or desired outcome, you take those thoughts and amplify them with feeling, direct them into the universe with your will. "Enflame thyself with prayer" So magick in essence is what you do with it. Spells and rituals, incense, candles, serve as representations to your psyche of the elements, God/dess etc and serve the purpose as putting you in the proper mood. They are like props to an actor.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Hey Ansphar thanks for the replies buddy and the offer of help
,I would really like that.thanks very much! I was just wondering about the ritual murder part because when you said certin things were writen to keep people away,it sparked a tought of something i had read before about a year ago ,it was about a DE MEUR ritual [i think,i could be wrong] and i just wondered was this also to keep people away.
Sorry about that mate ,my knowledge is very bad on this.I find it fascinating and would like to know lots more.In fact he didnt start the O.T.O ,im brutal,lol .



I think Aleister's problem with religion is that it caused bickering, people to not think for themselves, and can make people not self reliant. I posted a new thread entitled "Clearing Aleister Crowley's name" in the Metaphysics forum. if you have any other questions on the occult or magick I will be glad to help. I have almost 20 years of religion/occult knowledge.Been an avid student since I was 8

I cant blame Crowley for thinking that about religion,im from Ireland,we had years of it!
thanks for your help
and i certinly will take you up on your offer my friend,8 years old? you must be a master!!



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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thanks for all the replies,i know a lot more now than i did before



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by ANSPHAR
As far as Occult members murdering people I am sure it has happened. I don't like the idea of murder and I do believe that most in the magickal and/or New Age world would not condone that or any negative action at all.Once again semantics over "Right/Wrong" are to be acknowledged since we all have our own opinions but murder is wrong. Plain and simple. Sacrifice of animals is wrong too. I am not a fan of so called Satanist and "Black" magicians who buy some books, read a few chapters, wear black, and b.s. themselves through a "ritual" Magick is simply a form of elevated prayer. I explained in my first post that you take your affirmation or desired outcome, you take those thoughts and amplify them with feeling, direct them into the universe with your will. "Enflame thyself with prayer" So magick in essence is what you do with it. Spells and rituals, incense, candles, serve as representations to your psyche of the elements, God/dess etc and serve the purpose as putting you in the proper mood. They are like props to an actor.


I think you misunderstand an important part of Crowleys spirituality.

You may have read his books on thelema and qabbalah, but that doesnt do much in explaining the hellenistic gnostic core of his spirituality.

Child sacrifice first of all, is deemed 'economically practical'. There is an effect that is produced. If the powers that be have no problem creating wars and pitting millions of lives against the prospect of death, than, i am completely positive in saying this, they wouldnt have any qualms in engaging in a practical form of ritual which one human life would be sacrificed for the benefit of a greater whole (whoever engages or benefits from the ritual).

You would benefit from a little bit more study in the ideology, as opposed to the 'magick', which obviously would NEVER publish anything about something as controvertial as human sacrifice. Read the classics. Theogony of Hesiod, Homers illiad, Orphic theology, with of course the awareness that its speaking in allegory, with a psycho-spiritual interpretation. Western though like its predecessors in Egypt and Babylon, is based on a fascination and love affair with death. This is symbolized in Hellena as aphrodite being born from the dismembered phallus of Uranous.

We know many groups still practice human sacrifice today. The Tantriks in India, many primitive tribes in Africa and Indonesia, and many more clandestine mystical orders in the middle east and eastern europe (or so the rumor says). Keep in mind an important principle. Anyone willing to engage in human sacrifice also has absolutely no problem with lying and misleading; in fact, its the very essence of their mentality, to as the popular witchs chant goes 'double double, TOIL AND TROUBLE, fire burns and couldrn bubble". This verse describes the entire process of sorcery .. .. double double, the manipulation of reality, and knowledge - requires a great deal of effort - toil and trouble. The chief interest of sorcery is to manipulate the passions of others,' Fire burns' - play people against their passions, and couldren bubbles, a new paradigm is created from such a metamorphosis. Just as placing metal in a hot furnace allows one to mold it into whatever form he wishes, likewise, alchemically speaking, manipulating the passions in a calculated fashion allows one to lead others into that paradigm they have precalculated.....

This is how the governing structure works. I have no doubt that Aleister Crowley would atleast in principle have no problem with human sacrifice, just as the ancient pagans had no problem with it. Its deemed sensible and profitable. One life is lost but the life lost contributes to a 'greater cause'. Thus it really is a relativst mentality. As our society is increasingly beginning to worship .



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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Also, masturbation is actually a very heinous spiritual action..

Crowley wasnt kidding when he compared it to the killing of human life.

The Zohar is very adamant about the severity of this sin.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
Also, masturbation is actually a very heinous spiritual action..

Crowley wasnt kidding when he compared it to the killing of human life.

The Zohar is very adamant about the severity of this sin.


Than again crowkley with the typical pagan western arrogance was probably mocking the Jewish belief; since he spent so much time immersed in Zohar and kabbalistic writings; probably understanding none of it accept that which he could profit from (like the etz chaim and zohar - forget about the real kabbalistic writings, which western readers are totally ignorant of)

I also like your sabbatean sefirot picture. Im guessing you got that from the DonMeh website of whatshisname....

Interesting that he used the word 'meh' hebrew for what. Reminds me of Moloch. which in hebrew can be broken down to mean "mah Lak" 'whats wrong' ... This is the belief in the inherent dysfunction in creation.

This is what gnosticism and western 'spirituality' is based on. As the theosophist alice bailey said ' death is a cure'.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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Hey dontreally,hows it going, Thats what i would of tought ,if they would drop even one smart bomb,i dont think they would have a problem with one sacrifice.The tought of it has always sickened me and that is why i think it always stuck in my mind.
Have you ever heard the svali interveiw? where she was brought to the vatican for some ritual in her childhood where a human was murdered? I would love to hear your veiw on this?
i must drop by your grove thread to see what people think!
so in your opinion,do you think my first feeling that crowley was dodgy was right.
thanks for the reply





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