Originally posted by hadriana
reply to post by dontreally
You find my belief system immoral. How is that any less egotistical than my finding your belief structure as too simplistic for me to hang MY
I dont get how viewing reality as i suggested is too simple. If youre actually objective about - something you seem to entirely deny the existence of
(that is, an objective reality)you can see we all possess the same fundamental spiritual makeup. Were all born into this world from an ineffable
simplicity. Yes, its true, this world is packed with symbol. My entire life, everyday, i make an effort to look and absorb the symbolic messages the
creator puts around me. My issue with your ideology(not you, you seem nice) is that it assumes that because man is able to manipulate spiritual
forces, that he has to. This assumes that HE, the person, man, is in control and not the creator. This therefore distracts and diverts ones attention
from a simple awareness of the abundance in G-ds creation.
Also, im not Christian, but Jewish.
Theres a story of the Baal shem Tov, the founder of the chassidic movement that encapsulates this entire point. The Baal Shem Tov in Hebrew literally
means 'master of the good name'. The Baal shem was a master kabbalist and therefore knew the archetypal makeup of reality through his comprehension
of the Hebrew language. Once he encountered a river that was very wide and he didnt want to wet himself by wading through it. so instead he simply
uttered a phrase which enabled him to be transported from one side to the other. After he did this action the rest of the day negative things were
being put in front of him. He couldnt understand Why this was happening until he realized that his earlier manipulation signified that he had been
lacking faith in the creator. Because he put trust in his own ability to circumvent and obstacle put in front of him, he therefore forfeited the
creatoers benevolent guidance and control of his life. He than vowed never to use kabbalah maasit (practical use of kabbalah) ever again.
This story to me is very powerful because it states something all of us, in this technical world so devoid of Emuna (faith) completely forget. G-d in
charge of everything that goes on in this world. Its our OWN attitude that determines how he will deal with us.IF i think I have to make changes to
physical reality ;ie; perform magic, which is of a transcendtal nature, than the creator is pretty much being told 'i dont need you'. He than leaves
you to the random laws of causation of physical creation. He'll therefore put more obstacles in front of you and cause you to live a life rife with
difficulties, boundaries and obstacles, which would otherwise not appear if you would perform one important and paramound spiritual exercise - Bittul,
which means self nullification. Because we ultimately come from the same source, and this same source permeates all existence, even my own, how can i
believe that everything i do is in line with the nature of this source? Im not talking of a pagan dualism herre, where ever negative and evil actions
are regarded as being apart of the integral nature of the creator. The Creator PERMITS Evil, but doesnt want his creations, his children, to succumb
to them. He gave us the gift of choice, which no other creature possesses. Were inclined to one direction (selfhood, evil etc) but when we become old
enough, around 13, were enlightened with a good inclination, a part of us that enables us to overcome and completely transmute the ruddiness of the
evil inclination into a shining servant of holiness. So even the animal, the body, is glistening with the holiness of the soul - to an even more
intense degree than the soul itself!
Im not trying to be condescending. Im sorry if ive come off that way. When i see an ideology that i personally find offensive to the creator and to
truth i become very zealous about it. Even if the person will be obdurate, im gonna atleast make an effort, if the person seems ammenable enough, to
explain to them why what they believe is incorrect and motivated from an impure source.
I may indeed be a deity. I might be an angel in disguise.
...said the serpent to eve. Its no coincidence that the serpent said this to EVE; the source of paganism is in the female, and her vilnerability
towards egotism. Eve was made a POSSESION of Adam, having being taken from HIS rib and made as a HELPER. This is the dynamic of creation. Of course,
relative to the creator, male and female are completely equal, but in this world, the man is in the position of being active, dominant and giving,
whereas the women is passive, nurturing and receptive. The womens duty is primarely towards her husband abd children, and the mans duty is to cherish
his wife as his most beloved possession... A relationship that truly takes advantage of each sex NATURAL strengths.`But when the evil inclination
speaks up, it challenges your selfhood. A women is than told that shes being subjugated, demeaned and enslaved by the masculine and G_D himself (which
is why pagans truly hate the Jewish G-d). Therefore the essence of paganism, of a feminine worship of creation is in REVOLT against the natural way of
things; its against the dynamic the creator established in favor of an UNNATURAL and twisted recreation of the spiritual dynamic of things into what
we essentially have today. A confused paganized traditionless society completely being molded and remade in the psychotic image of their elites.
Nebuchadenezers ìdol is a symbol for this unnatural transformation.
To quote an anecdote about John Adams about the role of the male and female.
Abigail Adams grated on her husband John in letters demanding full legal rights for women: “we are determined to instigate a rebellion”
she declared, echoing the women of Athens in Lysistrata. John Adams’ reply was only too apt: men’s legal privileges were essential, he wrote,
“we dare not exert our power [in the home] in its full latitude…in practice, you know, we are the subjects. We have only the name of masters. To
give up on this would subject us completely to the despotism of the petticoat.”
AMEN to that!
[edit on 7-9-2010 by dontreally]