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Originally posted by ohsnaptruth
Can it be that the JFK bros didn't kill Monroe but the secret service did and JFK had nothing to do with it? Becuae JFK was killed for the same reason: he was going to disclose ET life to the mass public...
Originally posted by cheriepie
I have been doing my homework. For 17 years.
I do base a lot of my refutations against Robert Slatzer....because he is the original source of these rumors. The press conference, Kennedy, red diary- every last one of those rumors did not come about until 1974 when Slatzer started them. There is no mention of a press conference or a diary before 1974 when Slatzer made it up.
""Try use the Internet also, as there seems to be a lot of information about Marilyn on the Internet"- sorry, but ''the internet'' is not a credible source. I get my information from books from reputable sources and from people who actually knew Marilyn Monroe. I am not going to sit here and name drop out of respect for my friends, but they are names that are instantly recognizable to any Marilyn fan. My sources are well documented, well written, well quoted by people who actually knew Marilyn Monroe and will attest that Slatzer-who started these rumors- is not a credible source. Know who some of my other sources are? Everyone in Marilyn's life, from her closest friends to her staff to her biographers, who say that Slatzer did not know her. Get yourself a copy of Donald Spoto's definitive biography- his facts remain unchallenged and undisputed- and he goes into this at length. Also Whitey Snyder, Susan Strasberg, Ralph Roberts, Pat Newcomb, Norman Rosten.....these people all attest there was to be no press conference and no diary. Also, no Marilyn biography before 1974 mentions a press conference or a diary. Know why? Because Slatzer hadn't made it up yet.
You are citing Jeanne Carmen? Seriously? As I have previously mentioned, she also never met Marilyn Monroe, but would have you believe they were the best of friends and would go around on talk shows making up ever-more salacious stories. She and Slatzer were friends with each other. Nothing that comes from her mouth is credible.
The article you listed also cites Donald Wolfe, a biographer whose main sources were......Slatzer and Carmen. He is widely discredited.
Get yourself to reading credible sources. Donald Spoto, James Haspiel, Michelle Morgan, Susan Strasberg, Fred Lawrence Guiles. There are numerous books out there written by people who actually knew her....and not one mentions a press conference or a diary. You need to focus on where the information you are getting is coming from. Who the source is, and are they credible. You are not doing that, you are taking whatever article you find on the internet that supports your theory and using that without bothering to delve deeper into who it's quoting and citing. That is faulty and dangerous, and filling your head with untrue things. You have not done any homework, because you are taking the words of people who never met her and make up lies about her to make money and using them as if they are fact. Just because someone says it- or you read it on the internet- does not make it true.
You quote Lionel Grandison, coroner's assistant. Did you know that he was fired for stealing from corpses? And that he was also paid by Robert Slatzer? He rescinded his story years later and admitted that Slatzer had paid him to back up what he said.
It is a fact that Marilyn Monroe never kept a diary. Any diary. She would jot things down on scraps of paper, make notations in her script, but she simply did not keep a diary. It was not in her personality to do so. She was too disorganized. No one, over the course of her entire life, ever said she had a diary. Everyone says it was not in her nature to have one.
Exactly four people say that she had a diary: Robert Slatzer, Jeanne Carmen, Ted Jordan and Lionel Grandison. All are connected with one another, none actually knew Marilyn Monroe, and all four are proven untrustworthy if not outright liars. Everything about diaries and press conferences stem from these four liars. Why you choose to continue to believe them at face value without bothering to research further into it is beyond me, but it does a great disservice to Marilyn Monroe. You are choosing to accept the word of four known disreputable liars over dozens and dozens of credible people who dispute what they say.
In regards to her death, I know more than most. I have photos and information that the general public does not. I have studied extensively from a forensic point of view, examining only the actual evidence and not wild speculative stories.
Since you seem to like things on the internet so much, here's a good one for you:
I can find you way more that completely discredits diaries, press conferences, and the ridiculousness of a helicopter, but that would require reading actual books and taking the time to do real research instead of just Googling things written by any jackass because they support whatever pre-conceived notion you already have.
Your other article is from The Daily Mail- a tabloid- and is written by J. Randy Taraborelli, who wrote a book about Marilyn that has been widely discredited, both for not citing his sources and for plagiarizing other author's work. Your quote about MIller and Lovitz is wildly out of context anyway. Here is the whole thing:One night, Miller had a phone call from her while he was in a restaurant; she said he had to come home and save her. She had taken an overdose.
Edward Lovitz, a screenwriter who had known Miller for many years, said: 'Arthur told me that he thought she needed psychiatric help, that she would start to scream at him for no apparent reason. He wasn't sure if it was the drugs she was taking, the alcohol or just her mind breaking down on her.'
The end of her marriage to Miller resulted in the next big crisis in Marilyn's life. Alarmed by her suicidal obsession, her psychiatrist Dr Marianne Kris suggested that she check into a private ward at New York Hospital for some rest under medical supervision. Reluctantly, Marilyn agreed.
You stated:According to screenwriter Edward Lovitz, Arthur Miller told him that he thought that Marilyn needed psychiatric help. And that means that Arthur Miller could had contacted her psychiatrist.
No, that does not mean Miller contacted her psychiatrist. You are jumping to conclusions with zero facts to support them. How on earth do you jump from a person saying she needed some help at some point in time to Arthur had her put in the hospital? Do you realize how ludicrous that sounds? Let's just say for the sake of argument that Lovitz' quote is authentic and accurate. When did he say it? When did Arthur say she need help....was it in 1957? 1959? After she had her miscarriage? On the set of the Misfits? Simply because at one point over the course of their four year marriage Arthur said that she needed some help does not equal he called her doctor and contributed to her committment to the hospital. You are putting your own speculation, jumping to erroneous conclusions, and not basing your opinions in solid fact. Marilyn and Arthur announced their public separation in November of 1960, though their marriage had been breaking down long before that. Yet she did not enter the hospital until February of 1960.....Arthur was well out of her life and seeing photographer Inge Morath by then. You are grasping at straws to make shaky connections that support what you already believe to be true, despite what the actual facts say.
Go read some books. By credible sources.
Originally posted by cheriepie
You are citing Jeanne Carmen? Seriously? As I have previously mentioned, she also never met Marilyn Monroe, but would have you believe they were the best of friends and would go around on talk shows making up ever-more salacious stories. She and Slatzer were friends with each other. Nothing that comes from her mouth is credible!!!
Originally posted by johnny c
Hey buddy,hope your well my friend,im sorry i forgot to add the F.B.I cross reference for Marilyn Monroe yesterday.I think its F.b.i
Hope there is something in there for other than talk of commies.
Also lots on your subjects you want!!
Originally posted by johnny c
I gave you a bump on the stars so we can get you up a level
[note to moderator,my friend has put months of work into this thread with research,i am gratefull because i didnt know any of it!,i think a applause is well deserved guys,thanks]
Originally posted by Anunaki10
I think there might be a good chance that Robert Slatzer could be one of 'Project Dove's victims, to discredit Robert Slatzer. That could explain why Slatzer is accused to be a liar.
'Project Dove' is an alleged complex series of operations by the US military intelligence agencies to disinform the public, to cover up UFO/alien cases. So my theory is that paid Government disinfo agents might have discredited Robert Slatzer.