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Does Living in Western Society Promote Child Abuse?

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posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 08:41 PM
Verbal/Spiritual/Physical abuse is far more prevalent, IMO than many like to believe. Take a step back for a moment, not to look at yourself, but to look at our youth. Look at our future, our children, and where many, (not all), but many are headed.

From an early age, parents almost instinctively take it upon themselves to train their children, as they were trained, about "life" and "the real world". Children are instructed on the ins-and-outs of society, about how to adhere to social norms, how one should behave in social settings, what it means to be 'successful'.

How many times have we seen the Mother in a Grocery Store Scenario? The kids cry for a material good or favorite cereal, only to get scolded or smacked on the body. We most often sympathize with both parties, we may feel bad for the mom who's possibly over loaded and preoccupied with bills, and life in general, but then we also feel sorry for the kid, because he/she got punished for simply, "being a kid". IMHO, I see this as unnecessary physical abuse.

I've seen many of times, when kids start rejecting the status quo and accepting their place in The Real World, the child may be called a 'failure', irresponsible, apathetic, or a menace to society. These statement alone, to a youth, can be very detrimental and also form a deep seeded distrust for the deliverer(s) of these messages. This is verbal and psychological abuse.

As I look out at the younger generations, with all of this technology, all of these material distractions, I wonder if, as a People, we are losing our way. I believe we are losing touch with all that truly matters, Love. Our true purpose of being is often forfeited for The System's lie on what it means to live a fulfilling life (i.e. make money, have a family, retire). This web of lies, I fear, is trapping us all, and preventing us from seeing The Truth. We're living in a world of concrete and plastic, but none of this will last forever.

Maybe if we didn't live in The System that is The Bee Hive, we'd actually be able to get out in Nature and enjoy this Planet, as we teach our children the TRUE meaning of life, which is To Live instead of clouding their minds with The Man's doctrines.

What do you think?

posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 08:51 PM
I'd say thats painting with a broad's not western society, it's individual parenting. Face it, you have good and bad parents all over the world, so better, some ranges from scolding to honour killings and everything in between. However, in the western world there has been a big shift in disciplining children, between wacko psychiatrists, school, books, groups like the ACLU, parenting took a beating. I'm not talking about physical abuse, they actually at school, told my daughter in a school assembly, that we couldn't restrict her use of the phone, nor ground her as she has rights ............I'd have never even thought about trying that stuff on my parents......I think it is a result of these things as well as larger groups of more diverse peoples being forced together.......never a good idea. I'd agree with the technology thing though, far to much time spent on that than outside playing, and between cell phones, twitter etc, no real need for real people interaction.

posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 09:18 PM
reply to post by leira7

You can tell a lot about a culture by what they deem as entertainment.
I don't know about western society in general but American society is a violent, macho, male dominated country. Who are our heroes? Teachers, scientist, scholars? No, usually violent men. Violent societies that worship war and domination usually treat their children terribly. Child abuse in America is epidemic.

posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 09:25 PM

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by leira7

You can tell a lot about a culture by what they deem as entertainment.
I don't know about western society in general but American society is a violent, macho, male dominated country. Who are our heroes? Teachers, scientist, scholars? No, usually violent men. Violent societies that worship war and domination usually treat their children terribly. Child abuse in America is epidemic.

Do you know how men get stronger? By putting huge stress in their body, literally abusing it, that way the next generation of muscle cells would be much stronger than the previous.

That is what America is doing. I suspect it is intentional orchestration of a society where the children is abused enough, so when they grow they will be tough, and ready to fight without any emotional set backs.

Tell me this, what kind of people are joining the army?

posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 09:46 PM
You're probably onto something...however, we also have the other side of the problem...and that is parents letting their kids get away with gives them a lack of respect for rules and order, they believe they are above it all and should have the right to just do as they please, and treat others how ever they please. People aren't generally kind and courteous in public anymore, and kids run around causing havoc 24/7...the real problem is parents not being able to enforce a little physical punishment, because they're scared it's some type of abuse that could get them locked away, or worse yet, they are scared of the kids. A parent has every right in the world to discipline their child as we have done for thousands of years, if they get out of line give them a decent smack when it's deserved! My Mum didn't smack me all the time, but I did get a good smack every now and then, and it taught me to think twice before doing it again, and that thinking then led me to realize why it was wrong in the first place, and why people were getting upset.

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posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:04 PM

Originally posted by oozyism

Tell me this, what kind of people are joining the army?

Poor, uneducated people with little hope of finding a job anywhere else.
Dumbass kids that think war is some kind of glorified video game.

That is what America is doing. I suspect it is intentional orchestration of a society where the children is abused enough, so when they grow they will be tough, and ready to fight without any emotional set backs.

Oh really? You call this making them stronger. warning very graphic content.

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posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:51 PM
leira7Whilst you’ve highlighted a few examples of child discomfort, you haven’t shown why it’s a particularly Western problem. Also your use of the term child abuse is so casual, and sensationalists, that it does nothing but to demean the term. And
But if we’re going to lower the bar, then The Brown Cultures are just as bad…

Being unable to read, is child abuse
Having an impoverished mother with 9 siblings is child abuse
Having no say in who you marry is child abuse
Being threatened by starvation from birth to death (especially by stone age, culture) is a human disgrace.

We wouldn't have so many Human Cocoons, travelling thousands of miles to giving birth within our borders, if our culture was so full of child abuse. Only the Asian-Causian parts of this world are good examples of cultures opposing child abuse. I know every culture has it, but Name us the other places where its worse? give us some facts.

posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:21 PM
Are you serious ??

So when a child lashes out in public and acts like a brat what exactly should a parent do ?? buy them what they want ??

I dont deny that child abuse exists, but to say it is prevalent in American is kinda .... well crazy.

Do you think its worse here than other places ?? say, The Middle East, Russia, China, Europe, even Brittain ???

America is breeding another generation of lazy, egotistical, apathetic maniacs with self entitlement issue's due to the LACK of parenting and discipline. Were talking about a world where kids are throwing violent temper tantrums and even calling the police for not getting a new xbox games. ...... and you think they have it BAD ?? !!.

I think physical discipline should be the last resort for parents, but it is the ONLY way some kids learn.... and we can see the product of this politicaly correct, cowardly society all around us. Why is it there is a large, probably 10% section of kids taking Ritalin and other drugs ?? To make them more "manageable" ?? is this the way you'd rather deal with them ?? You can treat them like adults, ... their children !! ... and no, their not all innocent angel's with freagin halo's around their heads either.

my father laid hands on me, and im Fine, so are my brothers and the rest of my extended family. I guess some parents would rather throw their kid a Ritalin and save up for little billy's stint in rehab.

posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:41 PM
reply to post by leira7

Does living in Western Society promote child abuse? No, it doesn't. It's the person and how they were raised...or their intolerance of their own children.

posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 12:21 AM

Originally posted by whaaa
Oh really? You call this making them stronger. warning very graphic content.

Those photos are heartbreaking, but as soon as I read 'sexual repression', the author immediately lost my support. Freudian concepts of sexual repression fixes does the exact opposite of what it's intended-- if physical affection or senseless violence are needed to relieve 'tension', then it implies, at the same time, that people are objects used as a means to satisfy oneself, thus imitating the dehumanization of abusive parents.

Why not reading, learning and education instead? Are children suppose to somehow magically know the consequences of their actions without first learning what motive their actions consist? The brain and reasoning faculties do not finish developing until the early-mid 20s, and until then, a compassionate mentor/parenting figure is needed. Discipline is apart of life. Nature disciplines us daily, and we learn from it.

As for the sadism displayed in those photos; you're no longer dealing with a parent/child relationship, you're dealing with a criminal/victim relationship. I remember the numerous times when my parents told me that they are doing what's best for me in particular circumstances, but I did not understand what that meant. I do now. I know exactly what they meant and I cannot thank them enough.

posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 12:44 AM
reply to post by whaaa

My point was, that this is a belief, have you read about the psychology of a nation?

A nation is a bigger reflection of a human being, meaning all the problems, and solutions we have in regards to human beings can be used to understand and improve nations. The opposite can also be used, hence examining a nation's problems and solutions, for better understanding and improvement of human body. After all human beings comprise a nation therefore we are the building blocks hence cells of nations..

To give you an example for better understand, take in to consideration cancer:
There are many, many causes for cancer, some even claim Coca-cola can cause cancer, some claimed the sun, some claimed some other things. What is cancer?

If you examine a nation, what resembles Cancer? I can say insurgency and terrorism. Any thing related to the dissatisfaction with the authorities, leading to resistance against the authorities. The cause for such resistance and dissatisfaction is variant, that is why doctors for cancer have not found one specific solution to fix all types of cancer, because there are different causes, so the causes needs to be taken in to consideration.

The above being a theory, if true, the US government would be aware of it therefore using the methods which makes humans physically stronger, to make America physically stronger.

Wild theory I know, simply trying to entertain my mind

posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 05:47 AM
reply to post by leira7

Does Living in Western Society Promote Child Abuse?

Short answer: no.

In Western societies, children are thought of as precious and carefully safeguarded. Indeed, they often protected to the point where they miss out on the normal rough and tumble of childhood and the various lessons it teaches. Education is compulsory and usually provided free of charge by the State. Health care, immunization and so on are universal and of generallly very high quality. Families with children and expectant mothers receive various State benefits, tax relief, paid vacations, etc.

Culturally, it is expected that parents devote a very large amount of time and resources to their children. Small family sizes mean each individual child gets a substantial share of parental attention. Parents come under heavy social and legal pressure to be good at the job. People deemed to be poor or uncaring parents face considerable social disapproval, even stigma. In extreme cases of cruelty or neglect, the State may step in and separate the child from its parents.

All Western countries have laws against child abuse (the definition of which does not normally include smacking one's own child for being obnoxious in a public place). These are rigorously enforced. Western countries are also hysterically terrified of paedophilia, and many illiberal and undemocratic laws have been put on the statute-books because of Western paedo-paranoia.

Now contrast the condition of children in many parts of the rest of the world. There is child labour and child slavery. Nearly all children in traditional societies work--especially little girls, who are sometimes made responsible for the care of younger siblings almost as soon as they themselves are able to walk. Children perform backbreaking tasks on construction sites, in sweatshopes, down mines and in other horrendous places. Children as young as five or six are trafficked for arranged marriage and child prostitution. There is female circumcision. Discipline and punishment are usually by acts of violence more or less brutal.

The West is Paradise for children compared to much of the rest of the world. Count your blessings and stop whinging.

posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 05:59 AM
reply to post by leira7

You'd first have to define ''wrong'' and ''right'', to be able to define any of your examples as ''child abuse''.

The child getting smacked in the supermarket, for example, could be justified by saying it helps the child ''toughen up'', or make them realise that they can't have everything their own way in this world.

Again, you'd have to argue why your view is ''right'', and the above view is ''wrong''.

posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 06:39 AM
reply to post by leira7

I thought it was more the Catholic church which promoted child abuse, specialising in pedophilia globally and then having it all 'nicely' covered up by moving the priests to another church to continue on with their demonic practices.

posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:48 AM
reply to post by IntastellaBurst

I've had the privilege of observing a mixed group of American and English 3-5 year olds interact with eachother and the (English) adults assigned to their care.

The cognitive difference between them was that the American children did not understand the meaning of the word 'no'.

posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 03:25 PM
Maybe I didn't direct the question enough.

What I was trying to get at, is that we are living in a system that, by all means is NOT natural. Perhaps if we were still living under Mother Nature, living off of the land, the natural way that humans are suppose to, maybe then we wouldn't be abusing our kids to fit into this artificial way of living.

I'm not against teaching your children, and helping them learn how to love, BUT I am against steering them into the herd and allowing the world to trap them in the rat race that's only exit is The Slaughter House.

You guys get what I'm saying?
I'm against turning our kids into worker bees, making them the clean cut shaven drones that take our places. Denying them The TRUE Gifts of Mother Nature, (planet earth), we are helping our children to lose their souls.

Sorry if I didn't make that clearer before.

posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 03:49 PM
Personally I find it hard to reconcile these two ideas:

1) Child Abuse is an epidemic in America

2) America breeds arrogance, encourages ignorance, and enjoys highly spoiled people.

Number 2 seems far more true, which would lessen the effect or truthfulness of number 1.

Being the father of 4 children, I almost never physically punish my kids, yet they get scolded or punished reasonably often. That being said, my children shock people by calling them Sir/Ma'am or Mr./Mrs. LAST name, saying please and thank you, and generally not running around making fools of themselves and us.

Many people think I am too hard on my kids or am too rigid with the because I expect them to:

1) Have at least 3 daily chores that do not include generally cleaning up after themselves, even on school days
2) Earn their own money
3) To find or think of ways to earn money from people that are NOT my wife or I
4) Respect those around them and recognize that they are not the equals of adults
5) That my wife and my time is not theirs to monopolize and that the world does not revolve around them

And other handy things.

Abuse, to me, is strong physical or mental punishment that is NOT educational/instructive and/or is random.

Personally, I feel parents and the American culture of children (meaning how they are seen and treated) can be summed up with the idea that kids are more important than they are. I love my kids dearly, but I don't think it's right to say a child's life, attention, or needs are more important than everything else and they should not only know it, but know what else is important and why.

I also believe we do not communicate with our children about the realities of humanity and the world we live in until it's too late and they learn all the sexy and slickly marketed things first through too much media.

Anyway, that's my bit.


posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 04:40 PM
No. What I do think has become an epidemic is crying child abuse where there is none.
We live in a world where kids are being conditioned to believe they are being abused because "Mummy took my Ipod away." or "Daddy yelled at me in front of my friends." If a child today doesn't like the fact that they got grounded for the weekend they can call CPS and claim emotional abuse by being kept socially isolated.

posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 06:44 PM
Typically federal and state laws define what constitutes child abuse, physical, emotional, sexual, and establishes what is child neglect, or deprivation. I assure you it has taken many years to establish these laws, and in no way were they made lightly. The examples you give in the OP are not legal definitions of abuse. As a general rule, you may consider abuse as "intentional injury". A swift hand accross the buttocks in the grocery store does not meet the legal definition of child abuse, because the child was not injured.

When a child is injured, and it becomes clear that the parent intended to injure the child, or a reasonable person would understand that what they were doing tended to injure a person, then it is child abuse. Some of the other scenarios you give don't indicate the best parent in the world, but nor do they indicate an abusive parent.

Because the West has laws in place to combat all forms of child abuse, and because the juvenile, circuit and family courts entertain these cases on a daily basis, and we have entire agencies dedicated to this particular issue, I would say "No." Living in the west does not promote child abuse, but rather discourages it and punishes it.

Anybody can make a child abuse report, and the reporter may remain anonymous. This law was put in place to protect reporters from possible repercussions or retaliations from abusive parents, and to insure that abused and neglected children have every opportunity to come to the attention of appropriate helping agencies when they are in an abusive or neglectful circumstance.

posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 06:59 PM
reply to post by leira7

Ok, I think that children growing up in and being conditioned to cope with western values and expectations could be viewed as a form of child abuse. But then bringing children up to comply and prosper within any societal construct reduces the childs opportunities to realise full freedom of thought and being.

Parents rear their children to live in the world, even though the world they live in enslaves them. The trick is to present the children with enough alternative perspective to redress the balance a little so as to equip the child with more choices and the capacity to exercise discretion.

I hated sending my children to school because I felt that some of the social conditioning as detrimental to their freedom to even consider an alternative to the norm and because I askew the idea of a state proscibed national curriculum that does not identify and celebrate individual potential but instead churns out proles for the state. I would tell my children that there was more to life and learning than a state education and take them out of school whenever I wanted to, (I would send the school 'sick notes' that were a pack of lies!) and I would challenge any policy decision that I felt was detrimental to my children.

They have learned to live in the world and make their own way in it. They have learned the value of the protestant work ethic that has helped the west rise to the ascendency even though they must live with the consequences of the systemic and subvertive perversion of that ethic that has created the back bone of the free range slave system.

Is that abuse? I'm not sure.

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