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I Want The Truth! You Can't Handle The Truth!

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posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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You have the right to your own opinion sir.




posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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I am of the opinion that no ultimate truths exist because of life's irresistible tendency to stay in motion, despite, of course, one's desire to steal a second of illumination akin to mystical experience that suspends the processes of earthly change and inertia, where one can be truly assured of a blatant undeniable fact of anything and how that thing relates to everything else in the procession of individual's lives and humanity's ultimate purpose.

It is my opinion that we all have psychic connections to each other, one could call it the collective unconscious, and throughout this reservoir of everything that exists to the human mind (all culture, history, and experience) there can be intimations of truth, peculiar tendencies drawn towards the higher nature of reality, but not an actual touching of the thing itself.

Why?

Because a thinly veiled lie that has a faint aroma of the truth has the power to stimulate humans into action. The search for that truth could cause a man to walk a thousand miles, or cure cancer, or drive himself to madness and depression even, or to murder, but the realization of the truth would be a nirvana instead of a conducive environment for human drama. And this is ultimately the point, to have energy and propel life forward even if one must be deluded to achieve the desired results. This includes all of humanity, the one's born with higher natures that need exquisite stimulants and those with common natures that use the dull mass stimulation of culture.

[edit on 5-9-2010 by AProphet1233]

[edit on 5-9-2010 by AProphet1233]



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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An illusion is just a game, a trick, the truth is something else I pounder, the essence of the truth. If it's a game then there must be an equal to it.

Yes, everything is made out of solidity of energy waves that vibrate really really high. So because it is so everything must be an illusion ?

My point is, why is it an illusion and what did people expect, the universe to be made of small rocks or marbles ? It's high vibrating energy that makes up for the walls of reallity.

I would give an example, a spinning fan has gaps between the spinning pallets. Once the fan is turned on it becomes solid, and since everything spins or vibrates at high levels then it is solid. I guess if we had eyes tuned to a specific range we would see everything transparent.

I would imagine a fan spinning at such speed that when it is touched I would find it solid. The duality of nature is darkness and light, for everything in the dark there is something in the light I would say.

I would say darkness is real, things exist in the dark without light, and light will match the things in the dark, it's like a glove that comes over the hand, a perfect match. The dress of light so we are not naked like glass.

I plan to find out and I will not give up on it, on the truth, the truth is real, the illusion is not, just a trick. Out of the flexible and versatile fiber of space we get this world and the other one that we can't see. Seeing in the dark without turning the light on will make us see reallity as it is, the naked.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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From my own experience the illusion is much more essential to existence than the truth. All of life is contained within the illusion. Nothing whatsoever is contained within the truth. What is the ultimate truth of a solid object? There is none, because that object is defined in relation to everything around it, what preceded it, what will come after it, and on a macro level what purpose that object has in the ultimate destiny of the human race. To my mind this is the philosophical point of being able to perceive a solid object as vibrational energy. That energy is constantly in motion and affecting everything around it, stimulating the patterns of cause and effect, and more importantly alluding capture by being labeled simply a "fact" or a "truth".

We must challenge our common sense assumptions: the truth is not a beneficent force, the truth will not set you free. The truth is a mirage in the desert, luring those weak travelers addicted to veracity/certainty from the rightful path of nature.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be close to the truth. I'm just saying you will never be able to touch it, and certainly the closer you are/try to be, the more you will be made to suffer for it.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 10:24 PM
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LISTEN, LITTLE MAN...





















[edit on 5-9-2010 by nine-eyed-eel]



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by AProphet1233
reply to post by pepsi78
 

From my own experience the illusion is much more essential to existence than the truth.

What do you call the truth ? one micron of magic dust ? or maybe half.
It's not an illusion, it's just how everything is assembled to work, vibrating energy for our existance. I'm glad it's this way, it means that everything is an orchestra singing the universe into existance. I would not want it any other way, it's a beauty. High vibration of this energy will just create solidity. Then light will come with it's gift and colors to cover it all.
When I think of light it's like clothiong but so much more, it has it's gifts.



All of life is contained within the illusion.

And I think we should tap in limited amount, for haps space travel, limit our self to some things. Who knows what doors this would open.
I'm getting that this setup is not set up by mistake and is arranged to serve a cause. A higher power, the god we have been craving for.



Nothing whatsoever is contained within the truth.

I would not say that is not the case, see the construct in one peace on a higher level.


For me the answer is simple, Universe, when you say universe then it's universal, as in UN tranlated from latin means one, verse as in versatil of it's duality , all is everything. It's male and female, like a pair of pants for men and women, it's universal, god is male and female with perfect balance, all we got to do is balance but as you well know there are some preventing us from doing it, the tricksters that crawl and pose as gods or defenders. The gamers of humanity, they will have no peace, it's the roiality of scums that walk this earth and they rule us. Against god against all, they play the prophet, make up religions, hide the truth, but the universe speaks the truth. Thank god there is a god.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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I see no contradiction but most likely the disagreement lies in our interpretations. But, I admittingly don't see the quoted text fitting into your premise.

In a world with no "facts" as it were, there would only be illusions *Or call them intrepretations.*.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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Well, depends on how you see things, if you eat a hot soup then it is an illusion. It's rather ironical that it may be very well a state of being.
After all I do not know what people would expect the universe to be.
Everything can melt or shift at a higher temerature, it's perhaps why it was hidden because in stead of reconising an art work people would go against it.
There is a trend today with the word "it;s an illusion" set up by some individuals that hates the very notion of being. If you can't take it then just go in non existance and you solve the problem.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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Ah but the question is, can you go into non-existance? Truly? Is it possible to be 100% certain minus what I call artificial certainty? Which has been bickered about a lot lately.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by pepsi78
 


Ah but the question is, can you go into non-existance? Truly? Is it possible to be 100% certain minus what I call artificial certainty? Which has been bickered about a lot lately.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]


There are two things, real and not real, game and not a game, everything has it's duality, just with the illuison there is and equal called non illusion.
What is artificial, is it plastic ? Awarness is so special, I felt it, I don;t want to give it away, it's a gift to be on your own. It's the intention for this to exist, otherwise there would be nothing ?

What is the purpose for nothing to exist at all, and what do you mean by it's an illusion, you are not very clear ? maybe you can explain it to us so we can understand it in a visual rage, or as in thought or in ascientifical way.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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I may add a view point.
You are blind folded, you are taken to a location blind folded where you do not picture the suroundings, you do not know the suroundings, you walk blind folded until you hit something, a tree, a wall. It hits you without expectation, it is there. The object is there, it's not in your mind but it's there, your eyes may be perciving it in a different way visualy but the very thing you hit was there. Things are real without you taking a look at them just that they are different in reallity, vibrating at high intensity for solidity to be I would think.

It's the story of the bible with adam and eve naked, the story of the bible is a short version riped off from another place, and that story from that other place is ripped off from another place as well. Adam and Eve were naked as in knew the truth, they forgot, desire, greed, we all forgot, For GOT, as in got the gifts and has begun to see things in another way.

The very notion of these two words.
For "got" and For"give"
Give and recive.
When purity will return humanity will remember and will see.
Maybe it's the answer of reciving gifts without for"getting" who we are.
Forgive but never forget, when we learn how to use stuff without putting so much desire into it then we will know. Desire is not the same as compassion. It's our desire that it's causing problems. We want more and more and more. We can have more but at what cost. The lightbringer or "santa" brings gifts, the problem is that we use these gifts and percive them in the wrong way.



[edit on 6-9-2010 by pepsi78]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 12:21 PM
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There are two things, real and not real, game and not a game, everything has it's duality, just with the illuison there is and equal called non illusion.


We tend to think in dualities it is true. But does that mean dualities is the rule? I tend to think not. But this is a subject that as been bandied about since ancient times.


What is artificial, is it plastic ? Awarness is so special, I felt it, I don;t want to give it away, it's a gift to be on your own. It's the intention for this to exist, otherwise there would be nothing ?


No. What I meant by artificial certainty is certainty garnered at times by intentional or inability *which includes subconciously studies have proven that contrary facts to an existing belief can be ignored at the subconscious level to the degree the person isn't even aware of hearing/reading them* to take into account "the big picture" which includes all other viewpoints regardless of personal opinion on them.


What is the purpose for nothing to exist at all, and what do you mean by it's an illusion, you are not very clear ? maybe you can explain it to us so we can understand it in a visual rage, or as in thought or in ascientifical way.


Illusion does not exactly mean non-existance. Just not being as it seems. A thing can provide the illusion of being something else. Nature illustrates this.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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What do you call the truth ? one micron of magic dust ? or maybe half.


For all intents and purposes, yes. Something only to be beheld by mystical experience. And what is the mystical experience if not that deranged vision of the infinitesimally small particle struggling for expression within the larger structure. Like you said, it is certainly a matter of perspective; in terms of, is the truth the overall view of a structure with all it's component pieces working harmoniously together each with their individual purpose, or is the truth contained within the limited monomaniacal vision.

If the truth is in a universal, larger perspective, that begs the question of how can a human being limited by their humanity come to truly understand such a perspective. It is akin to the "light" side of being, love, harmony, and enlightenment; we can travel through space and document the stars, build the tower of babel, but ultimately we can't be as gods, though some may try.

The monomaniacal vision is akin to the worst aspects of life: evil, chaos, and illusion. Is the truth contained in the filth, all the morose aspects of life? If we have yet to experience the entire spectrum of human suffering, if we have yet to contend with the gods and thereby create devils to contest their vision for humanity, if we have yet to sin with an amoral impartiality we cannot deny the truth of it. God must be reconciled with his creation. God must manifest as a human and a human must be made to feel the God-like and fatalistic if we are to answer the question of what is the truth.




The gamers of humanity, they will have no peace, it's the roiality of scums that walk this earth and they rule us. Against god against all, they play the prophet, make up religions, hide the truth, but the universe speaks the truth. Thank god there is a god.


Yeah, there are many people like this although I think you're looking at it in the wrong way. Why does God, the creator, create such evil people? Why does God give a portion of his power to the devil? Why must humanity be made to suffer similar to Job of the bible? Because the archetype of evil is an inexplicable part of the cosmos, and evil may have an inherent banality but it is not free to act as it will just like the good isn't free to act as it will.

The very fact that you call these people "gamers" suggests that they are enlightened in their depravity. I don't like them as much as you don't but one must look past the transitory personality and understand the archetype or higher processes that they represent. Arguably for every Mother Teresa there is a Hitler, not to get into a discussion about the battle between good and evil...

It's not that the world would make sense if we could just exterminate all the bad people, it's that illusions are essential. Death is an illusion, so is evil, so is righteousness, so is identity, and yet we soldier on irrespective of the falsity in ourselves and the world.


**To Watcher**



In a world with no "facts" as it were, there would only be illusions *Or call them intrepretations.*.


In a world with nothing but facts there are only illusions. What good is a fact if it has no relationship to the facts around it? If you are nihilistic it has no relationship. If you believe in purpose than it does, but purpose is subjective. Perhaps you need the fact of a hammer to drive in a nail and perhaps I need it to commit a murder. Perhaps you just hammered a nail into the coffin of an innocent child killed by a terrorist's bomb and perhaps I murdered the terrorist to take his money to give to a homeless shelter.

And perhaps that was all only a dream I had one night and in reality I'm getting ready to go to work as a product placement specialist for a multi-billion dollar corporation whose only function is to subconsciously fool people into buying their products.



No. What I meant by artificial certainty is certainty garnered at times by intentional or inability *which includes subconciously studies have proven that contrary facts to an existing belief can be ignored at the subconscious level to the degree the person isn't even aware of hearing/reading them* to take into account "the big picture" which includes all other viewpoints regardless of personal opinion on them.


We are definitely in agreement here. I think artificial certainty is the only kind of certainty that can exist because the psychology of the mind revolves around circumstance, not objective fact.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by AProphet1233]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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A question just came to me that I would like to pose to you. A question that frequently occupies my thoughts and perhaps you can expand my vision on the subject. Anyone feel free to answer.

If the truth exists, why does evil prevail?



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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Define "evil" if you would please?
Seeing as to how evil is arguably a subjective word and my view as to what constitutes evil might not be yours.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Evil is an inexplicable force of nature that contends with the "good" in the existential dramatic domain of human life.

A premise to this understanding would be the assumption that all of existence was created as an arena for human beings to explore and self-express, and that all culture, history, and experience can only be understood in relation to Man's ultimate purpose/Man's connection to a God/Higher processes of nature.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 10:08 PM
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There is one point of reallity, in the dark you bumb into things, then the conclusion is that it must be real. You have no idea where things are placed
but in unexpected way you colide with them that is because things are there, true that they may look different, but are there. People don;t see it, you just see the stuff in the light, you takle stuff out of the light and put it in the dark creating charged energy. This trend with it's an illusion is a new product, halucinations are not real. There is a way to travel faster than light, that is energy transfer.

Who do you think makes this up ? People that don't want you to find out the truth because they like to control people, control freaks that get their happiness and energy out of power of control. They are greedy, they have no feelings, like the sun they are sucked up dry. The sun should be used for illumination of the world, but they are dependent on it, they sucked it dry, it's why it's so red. They would suck the life out of everything.


Why would people chose to give in I have no idea. The truth seeker is led to trust into the illusion. An illusion is just that, a trick, not real, while everything else is, but there is more to that that meets the eye, the truth.

Just look at the sun, it's red like this world has turned into filled with blood and coruption, it's how things are, filled with lies like the color red.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by pepsi78]



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:22 PM
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Wow dude since when have you become so verbos, did a muse come down and gracefully smack you with the bat of inspiration, while running laps through the cemetery. Probably took something from your pockets while it left you senseless with wonder. Thats how the truth works, by taking, especially when your not looking, or running around in the night.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by AProphet1233
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A question just came to me that I would like to pose to you. A question that frequently occupies my thoughts and perhaps you can expand my vision on the subject. Anyone feel free to answer.

If the truth exists, why does evil prevail?



If the truth exists, why shoulden't evil prevail, you think it picks sides and choses who is right and wrong like it cared or picked favorites. Whatever hapens is the truth, the rest is opinions abouth the truth of what happened. But ofcourse there are other truths, because I have other opinions. And what makes you think anything prevails in life, last I checked no one has yet to figure out how to get out alive.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by galadofwarthethird]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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why cant somoe love existance for the creation of itself... and in turn choose to live forever? Why couldnt an immortal have a child? suffering is a part of life.... it is only you that refuses to live under such circumstances... dont speak for every enlightened man.



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