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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by IAMIAM
No, you are an idiot, who wishes to play others for fools. Your lack of understanding of Christ's teachings and your simplistic portrayal of religious nomenclature betrays your true nature.
Give it up. No one with an IQ above 10 is going to take you seriously.
Honestly, im shocked at amount the hate through out this thread!
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
A stern rebuke isn't "hatred". I wish no one ill will, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything a person says. Even if they claim Christ. Jesus Himself warned us to be watchful of the wolves who would come in sheep's clothing. We haven't come close to the words Christ and the apostles used for the wolves yet. Heck, Jesus told them basically that their mothers slept with the devil. Martin Luther said it best:
"Once cannot be to gentle with the sheep nor too harsh with the wolves."
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Ok my friend, let's take a good look at Christ's last words to his followers.
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Hmm, he emphasises this so it must be pretty important. What was his commandments? Love God, Love one another. How? Heal the sick, give your wealth to the poor, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, bless those who say evil things about you in Christ's name, you should know the rest....
"As many as I LOVE, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." ~ Jesus Christ (Rev. 3:19)
"Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee." Proverbs 9:8
Jesus is not coming back in the flesh.
"'Men of Galilee,' they said, 'why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.'" Acts 1:11
He will send someone else who has the spirit of truth within him. The world will not know it because the world has lost the truth.
Christ is NOT coming back in the flesh. He has already returned in the spirit to those who KEEP his Commandments. That means to actually do what HE said to do.
No wonder you are still searching for Christ. He only comes to those who KEEP his commandments.
Sounds like keeping his commandments must be pretty important. He only comes to those who keep them by his own words.
Oh, Christ isn't coming back yet again.
He is sending a comforter, the Holy Ghost, to teach those things, to remind all what was forgotten.
The Prince of the World came and silenced Christ's words shortly after this conversation. Christ gave his life to show that he loved the father and that the father gave him the commandment. Love one another.
So here is a stern rebuke I return to you my friend.
If you do not love with all your heart those who stand before your eyes, regardless of faith, regardless of creed, regardless of social stature, If you have not given all that you have to the service of others and then begged to God to give you more to give to others, If you have not suffered in the name of righteousness, If you have not been persecuted in Christ's name, If you have not been through hell and returned unscathed, If you do not live your life in loving service to ALL God's children, If you do not hunger and starve for righteousness because you know you will never be satisfied that your own heart is filled with it, If you have not done these things and more, YOU are the heretic, YOU do not follow Christ, YOU are not saved, YOU are not forgiven, YOU are damned, YOU are the ravening wolf of your nightmares.
"Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate." ~ Jesus Christ
And, YOU cannot judge me nor rebuke me for I have done these things and more.
You do not know me. You would not understand my words. You would not see my wounds. You would not feel my pain.
You are an outcast.
Now if the way be narrow and few find it, how is it then that Christianity is the largest faith on earth?
If the path you preach was the way, then the world would be devoid of suffering due to the shear numbers of your following IF you truly followed in Christ's ways.
You dreadful idolater!
Repent.
Christ nor the apostles nor John the Baptist were kind or gentle with the wolves, so why are you thinking followers of Christ should act differently
Stop calling me your "brother". My Father is the Lord Almighty, your father is the devil.
You're not my kindred for one. You yourself claimed you're not a follower of Jesus Christ. My brothers and sisters are my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. He is OUR Father.
No, God's Word has divided us. I follow it. You are a mere man and claim to be God. You're not the King of Kings, Jesus Christ is and will forever be. You're a liar and a heretic.
I have love and kindness for the sheep and for the unbelievers, but not for the heretic wolves. You're a heretic, you're not my 'brother', your father is the devil.
Now, if someone is ignorant to Christ's teachings I wouldn't call them a wolf or a heretic, but someone who claims to know Christ and teaches others false doctrine they certainly are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Christ nor the apostles nor John the Baptist were kind or gentle with the wolves, so why are you thinking followers of Christ should act differently?
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
See the problem is, you do not follow christs teachings, you follow your bible which contradicts his teachings aside from his own words...
either way act how you wish its your path, but know you are not following his teachings...
And don't try to back up your garbage with bible quotes, they mean nothing if you can't see the true lessons... Use your own words.....
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
You show no love for your fellow man, you judege them according to your bible, and do not see whats in their heart. At least as far as i've seen...
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24
Stop calling me your "brother". My Father is the Lord Almighty, your father is the devil.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44
You're not my kindred for one. You yourself claimed you're not a follower of Jesus Christ. My brothers and sisters are my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. He is OUR Father.
"Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him. A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You." Answering them, He said, "Who are My mother and My brothers ?" Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers ! "For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother." Mark 3:31-35
"But as many as received him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12
Your knowledge of the spirit is mind boggling i must say....do you not know we all come from the same place?
(God speaking to satan) "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." - Genesis 3:15
No, God's Word has divided us. I follow it. You are a mere man and claim to be God. You're not the King of Kings, Jesus Christ is and will forever be. You're a liar and a heretic.
To top all of this, you continuously use the "wolf in sheeps clothing" analogy... truely you are the sheep (sheeple?) Following your book without looking for the true lessons...again i care not, you have your path.
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5
Those that taught you to turn away from another man are your wolves,
who ever taught you what is in the bible is your wolf, thus also making you a wolf... You do not show love toward others unless they believe the same thing as you believe....which also makes you the wolf in sheeps clothing as you seem to always state.
LOL by your own example... If they teach others false doctrine... You are preaching false doctrine!! Can you not see it? Are you so blinded by your hate?
Perhaps you should actually read who christ called heretics and hypocrites....
.Are you not exactly like those who murdered your savior?
"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." John 10:17-18
Again i say, truely you are the sheep.... But unlike IAMIAM, i could care less... Walk your path of fear and hatred, we all go to the same place once we die so it matters not...
But i ask again, how do you live with hate in your life?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
The person I was responding to had denied being a follower of Christ. Here is what the Word of God says as to who is my brother and who is NOT:
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
That poster was claiming to be the "King of kings". That declaration is blasphemy. Jesus Christ is the King of kings. We are all "kings and priests after the order of Melchizedek". Jesus Christ is our King, that's why He is called the "King of kings".
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM
Who said I was talking about you? You, err, I mean Akragon, posted random quotes that were not linked to a source for study of the context. That's blatantly dishonest.
That poster was claiming to be the "King of kings". That declaration is blasphemy. Jesus Christ is the King of kings. We are all "kings and priests after the order of Melchizedek". Jesus Christ is our King, that's why He is called the "King of kings".
The person I was responding to had denied being a follower of Christ.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM
But you're not the "King of kings", Jesus Christ is. You're not Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM
But you're not the "King of kings", Jesus Christ is. You're not Jesus Christ.
I never said I was Jesus.
If I were the Apple of Apples, in a bushel of Apples, would you be able to find me?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Irrelevant comparison.
If you did claim to be the "King of kings" I call that blasphemy.
Christ is the one and only King of kings.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Irrelevant comparison.
If you did claim to be the "King of kings" I call that blasphemy.
Christ is the one and only King of kings.
You do not understand the statement. Be careful how you judge, for that is the judgement you shall receive...
What is a King?
"Which in his times He shall shew, the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" ~ 1 Timothy 6:15
"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." ~ Revelation 17:14
"And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." ~ Revelation 19:16
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I understand it quite fine. It's IRR EL E VANT. It's a fallacy called a "Red Herring".
I judge righteously using the Word of God. Have you ever read John 7:24?
If you claim to be the "King of kings" that's blasphemy. Jesus Christ is the only King of kings:
You're not the King of kings, Jesus Christ is and is alone.
God says that he wants a relationship with you. If you wish to live your life in a manner that you personally judge as being good, that's fine, but you will not have that relationship (with the benefits that come with it) if you ignore or reject God.