It's easy to ignore all the good science has done aswell, eh?
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reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 07:44 PM by masonicon
reply to post by kinglizard
Is this different story is Science itself are Superscience or Science is paired with Spirituality?
Is this different story is Science itself are Superscience or Science is paired with Spirituality?
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 07:48 PM by Ser Plum
reply to post by kinglizard
. . . . . . . . ya do know, that doesn't actually help much, eh?
that's like me asking 'what do you mean by books?' and
you posting back a list of publishers.
honestly, how can science be good or bad? how can
you attribute morals to an abstract? Even religion can't
be good or evil as a concept, just by being.
. . . . . . . . ya do know, that doesn't actually help much, eh?
that's like me asking 'what do you mean by books?' and
you posting back a list of publishers.
honestly, how can science be good or bad? how can
you attribute morals to an abstract? Even religion can't
be good or evil as a concept, just by being.
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 07:51 PM by XXXN3O
reply to post by kinglizard
There was a time I would have disagreed with you but I was fortunate enough to work within a pre-clinical trial pharmacautical company at first as a Technologist then as a Scientist for a period.
During my time there I was doing cell culture and virology tests on various products that are now mainstream, some less known treatments for things such as smallpox, AIDS and so on that are not so mainstream.
I was submitting test results that were not as the clients expected (ie the treatments cannot mix with immune systems causing severe damage, can be manipulated by common infections etc) and in turn found out that these trials were reaching clinical stages despite my results. This means that you can be taking a tablet that you buy from a store that has severe side effects, be prescribed treatments that dont work or can even kill, that various people have hidden from you.
In short, anything that is backed by money is something that can, is and will be manipulated to serve profits regardless of results.
Science is nothing more than money backed opinion in my eyes now, from experience rather than opinon.
Your opinion only backs it up even more, good on you that you dont have to experience it but have the guidance to see with eyes.
However if we could somehow use science without money making agenda or bias then that would be something special.
[edit on 4-9-2010 by XXXN3O]
There was a time I would have disagreed with you but I was fortunate enough to work within a pre-clinical trial pharmacautical company at first as a Technologist then as a Scientist for a period.
During my time there I was doing cell culture and virology tests on various products that are now mainstream, some less known treatments for things such as smallpox, AIDS and so on that are not so mainstream.
I was submitting test results that were not as the clients expected (ie the treatments cannot mix with immune systems causing severe damage, can be manipulated by common infections etc) and in turn found out that these trials were reaching clinical stages despite my results. This means that you can be taking a tablet that you buy from a store that has severe side effects, be prescribed treatments that dont work or can even kill, that various people have hidden from you.
In short, anything that is backed by money is something that can, is and will be manipulated to serve profits regardless of results.
Science is nothing more than money backed opinion in my eyes now, from experience rather than opinon.
Your opinion only backs it up even more, good on you that you dont have to experience it but have the guidance to see with eyes.
However if we could somehow use science without money making agenda or bias then that would be something special.
[edit on 4-9-2010 by XXXN3O]
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 07:52 PM by Trekkr33777
Originally posted by Ser Plum
reply to post by kinglizard
. . . . . . . . ya do know, that doesn't actually help much, eh?
that's like me asking 'what do you mean by books?' and
you posting back a list of publishers.
honestly, how can science be good or bad? how can
you attribute morals to an abstract? Even religion can't
be good or evil as a concept, just by being.
Did you not think this trough? We all know the difference between what's good and bad, unless you have some strange ability to ignore that somehow. Religion could be considered good or evil! All depends on which book you're reading. Are you a Christian or a Satanist? One would be good and one would be evil, can you discern this? Same goes for technology, can be used for good things or used for evil things, all depends on the use.
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 07:54 PM by adjensen
reply to post by kinglizard
As a Christian, I see no inherent conflict between faith and science, as they are two aspects of the same thing -- the pursuit of truth. And one of my core beliefs is that God is the greatest scientist of all, and enjoys watching us learn more and more about this amazing universe of his.
However, I agree with your assessment of this world, and I would put to you that it is not science that has failed us, but the application of science. In a similar fashion, I am frequently arguing with people who claim that religion has done a lot of evil, with my perspective that it is not religion that is wrong, but the application of religion.
We can use science to improve the Earth, to feed the world, to explore other worlds, but we (generally) choose not to. The reasons for that are complex, but I don't think that you can put it in the lap of science, per se, any more than you can put the Spanish Inquisition in the lap of religion. In both cases, it's down to us, our choices, and our failings.
As a Christian, I see no inherent conflict between faith and science, as they are two aspects of the same thing -- the pursuit of truth. And one of my core beliefs is that God is the greatest scientist of all, and enjoys watching us learn more and more about this amazing universe of his.
However, I agree with your assessment of this world, and I would put to you that it is not science that has failed us, but the application of science. In a similar fashion, I am frequently arguing with people who claim that religion has done a lot of evil, with my perspective that it is not religion that is wrong, but the application of religion.
We can use science to improve the Earth, to feed the world, to explore other worlds, but we (generally) choose not to. The reasons for that are complex, but I don't think that you can put it in the lap of science, per se, any more than you can put the Spanish Inquisition in the lap of religion. In both cases, it's down to us, our choices, and our failings.
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 08:10 PM by jennybee35
reply to post by kinglizard
I don't know if you have ever bothered with it, but the Book of Enoch hints at this same idea. The fallen ones came to earth to breed with the human women and proceeded to teach "heavenly secrets" to men. The things mentioned all sound like science to me. I have just started to look at Enoch, so I am no authority.
Here is a link, if you are interested:www.heaven.net.nz...
Sounds like what you are talking about, no?
I don't know if you have ever bothered with it, but the Book of Enoch hints at this same idea. The fallen ones came to earth to breed with the human women and proceeded to teach "heavenly secrets" to men. The things mentioned all sound like science to me. I have just started to look at Enoch, so I am no authority.
Here is a link, if you are interested:www.heaven.net.nz...
Sounds like what you are talking about, no?
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 08:10 PM by Ser Plum
reply to post by Trekkr33777
so, you're saying good and evil is subjective?
yep, and that means that it ain't good or evil. just a point of view.
I think that there are basic things in the world that
are good and evil. thinking of others, helping out
when it ain't to your advantage, not being a dick to
others just cause you can . . . then again, not.
I don't believe there is a god or a devil or anything there.
I can close my eyes and all I see it the back of my eyelids.
but that ain't right, there is evil. and it is nature, it is
human. but, it is never just the way things are.
Then again, tomorrow is another day, and for me,
evidence of divinity doesn't need to be empirical. I
don't know anything. But I know enough not to fear
what it is I do not know or understand, but to
embrace it, to know that it is always possible to
change my mind and embrace new way of thinking,
of believing.
gah, what I might be trying to say, in reply to kinglizard, is
that it is not science that is satan, it is not satan at all. the
devils, the gods, they're all in you. the things people do
in the name of religion ain't no better or worse then
they do for science.
It seems that these days all the temples are full of empty
rituals, churches, banks, universities, labs.
thinking that there is good or bad to something like science is
the same as saying 'humans are good and bad'.
I agree. just don't lay it on satan.
so, you're saying good and evil is subjective?
yep, and that means that it ain't good or evil. just a point of view.
I think that there are basic things in the world that
are good and evil. thinking of others, helping out
when it ain't to your advantage, not being a dick to
others just cause you can . . . then again, not.
I don't believe there is a god or a devil or anything there.
I can close my eyes and all I see it the back of my eyelids.
but that ain't right, there is evil. and it is nature, it is
human. but, it is never just the way things are.
Then again, tomorrow is another day, and for me,
evidence of divinity doesn't need to be empirical. I
don't know anything. But I know enough not to fear
what it is I do not know or understand, but to
embrace it, to know that it is always possible to
change my mind and embrace new way of thinking,
of believing.
gah, what I might be trying to say, in reply to kinglizard, is
that it is not science that is satan, it is not satan at all. the
devils, the gods, they're all in you. the things people do
in the name of religion ain't no better or worse then
they do for science.
It seems that these days all the temples are full of empty
rituals, churches, banks, universities, labs.
thinking that there is good or bad to something like science is
the same as saying 'humans are good and bad'.
I agree. just don't lay it on satan.
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 08:22 PM by kinglizard
reply to post by mattias
Don't these things in science mislead us. More than what they give us but how they make us think of ourselves. Don't they breed a God like syndrome in Man?
Science can explain how man evolved, we are not from God, he doesn't exist because we think we know with our human understanding how all things work.
Don't these things in science mislead us. More than what they give us but how they make us think of ourselves. Don't they breed a God like syndrome in Man?
Science can explain how man evolved, we are not from God, he doesn't exist because we think we know with our human understanding how all things work.
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 08:27 PM by Tayesin
reply to post by kinglizard
Firstly, it was not "Science" but Governments that turned beneficial inventions into Weapons.
Secondly, Satan is not real and this can be proved by referring to the original texts that Genesis comes from...... the Sumerian Tablets history... for it is the Source material for the first book of the Bible and the Torah.. it is where your Belief in a physical God comes from. ANd no this is not from Stichin's books.. it is from my 80+ year old mentor who also translated those Tablets for the British Museum.
Reading it we learn that the OT God was a physical being.. not a God. He had a younger brother who manufactured us. The older brother was hate-filled, egotisitical, bloodthirsty and demanded Worship from humans... sound familiar? It should, it is the "God" of the OT.
He hated his younger brother too, so after a very long and detailed story we can read how how the Older Brother (Biblical God) went about insuring his little brother would be remembered by all humans as thr Bad One.. so he used half the Caducues from the House of Life to symbolise this little brother... and so it became the Snake in the Garden of Eden.. E.Din.. "The First Place".
Since the being represented now by that Snake was the one who manufactured us and who loved us.. as it is recorded... it shold make sense NOW as to why the Snake in the Garden told the Adamma Model.. The 'Adam' that God was Lying to them.
The hateful OT God was Lying to the humans and the Snake was trying to remind them of the fact.
If you believe your Religion, and it's "Genesis, then you must also Believe the Source for Genesis too.. otherwise one runs the risk of being a Hypocrite.
please excuse poor spelling today.. fingers are more dyslexic than normal.
[edit on 4-9-2010 by Tayesin]
Firstly, it was not "Science" but Governments that turned beneficial inventions into Weapons.
Secondly, Satan is not real and this can be proved by referring to the original texts that Genesis comes from...... the Sumerian Tablets history... for it is the Source material for the first book of the Bible and the Torah.. it is where your Belief in a physical God comes from. ANd no this is not from Stichin's books.. it is from my 80+ year old mentor who also translated those Tablets for the British Museum.
Reading it we learn that the OT God was a physical being.. not a God. He had a younger brother who manufactured us. The older brother was hate-filled, egotisitical, bloodthirsty and demanded Worship from humans... sound familiar? It should, it is the "God" of the OT.
He hated his younger brother too, so after a very long and detailed story we can read how how the Older Brother (Biblical God) went about insuring his little brother would be remembered by all humans as thr Bad One.. so he used half the Caducues from the House of Life to symbolise this little brother... and so it became the Snake in the Garden of Eden.. E.Din.. "The First Place".
Since the being represented now by that Snake was the one who manufactured us and who loved us.. as it is recorded... it shold make sense NOW as to why the Snake in the Garden told the Adamma Model.. The 'Adam' that God was Lying to them.
The hateful OT God was Lying to the humans and the Snake was trying to remind them of the fact.
If you believe your Religion, and it's "Genesis, then you must also Believe the Source for Genesis too.. otherwise one runs the risk of being a Hypocrite.
please excuse poor spelling today.. fingers are more dyslexic than normal.
[edit on 4-9-2010 by Tayesin]
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 08:33 PM by kinglizard
reply to post by jennybee35
Wow, interesting. I never read Enoch but this does relate to what I'm talking about.
www.heaven.net.nz...
I'm going to read a bit more tonight.
[edit on 9/4/2010 by kinglizard]
[edit on 9/4/2010 by kinglizard]
Wow, interesting. I never read Enoch but this does relate to what I'm talking about.
8
And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways.
10
And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.'
www.heaven.net.nz...
I'm going to read a bit more tonight.
[edit on 9/4/2010 by kinglizard]
[edit on 9/4/2010 by kinglizard]
reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 08:40 PM by Unity_99
reply to post by kinglizard
Science is advancement. SATAN, SATURN/EL/ENKI/ENLIL/RA/OSIRIS/ISIS/ZEUS are the Draconian evil negative Eye of Horus, running this planet in ignorance, mainly through 3 judaic religions, including the one that has now sentenced the woman to death for adultery to 90 extra lashes for not wearing a scarf in a photo.
Science is freedom, except, we don't have the real mckoy, just the watered slave kind.
So take it and peddle it somewhere else, I am so fed up with this evil negative planet where billions of suffering and teh ugly twisted patriarchal murdering religions.
I'll give you something to think about. You're living in a holographic Universe/School, in a prison school at that, to learn love and equality. It doesnt matter what credo you have either. As long as your not fundamental and backwards and belive in punishing people with it.
Contemplate infinity. In infinity everything is infinite without beginning and ending. All souls are inifnite without beginning and ending and progress and are = to the infinity itself.
If you pluck a tiny portion of your infinite soul today and created a child, that soul would stretch endlessly without beginning or ending and be = to the infinity and = to the parent.
We are the infinite family of light and in school, learning love and equality.
Science is advancement. SATAN, SATURN/EL/ENKI/ENLIL/RA/OSIRIS/ISIS/ZEUS are the Draconian evil negative Eye of Horus, running this planet in ignorance, mainly through 3 judaic religions, including the one that has now sentenced the woman to death for adultery to 90 extra lashes for not wearing a scarf in a photo.
Science is freedom, except, we don't have the real mckoy, just the watered slave kind.
So take it and peddle it somewhere else, I am so fed up with this evil negative planet where billions of suffering and teh ugly twisted patriarchal murdering religions.
I'll give you something to think about. You're living in a holographic Universe/School, in a prison school at that, to learn love and equality. It doesnt matter what credo you have either. As long as your not fundamental and backwards and belive in punishing people with it.
Contemplate infinity. In infinity everything is infinite without beginning and ending. All souls are inifnite without beginning and ending and progress and are = to the infinity itself.
If you pluck a tiny portion of your infinite soul today and created a child, that soul would stretch endlessly without beginning or ending and be = to the infinity and = to the parent.
We are the infinite family of light and in school, learning love and equality.
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