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reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 04:28 PM by Maybe...maybe not
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LeBombDiggity.....

You will find this very interesting thread by The Great Kandinsky (well.....I'm a fan!) looks into this in magnificent detail.

Stalking The UFOs

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 04:40 PM by Kandinsky
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It seems like there might be a pattern to UFO sightings if we could distil all the sightings into one pure database. It's not gonna happen any time soon!

I think the biggest obstacle to targeting a pattern is us. Human nature is always subjective and the phenomena is elusive. The variables are too many to count and any signal is inevitably buried beneath our actions and interpretations.

I'm generally against people linking to their own threads (EGO!), but I'll swallow my pride and suggest you read a thread I posted...Stalking the UFOs. A lot of the responses made great points. The OP was my own thoughts, but the sources directly relate to your question. I posted a list of them...here.

The Massimo Teodarani should be required reading as an example of science being applied to the UFO phenomena...M. Teodorani. A Comparative Analytical and Observational Study of North American Databases on unidentified Aerial Phenomena ...

ETA: Cheers Maybe, you could have spared my ego if I was a quicker writer!



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reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 04:51 PM by Maybe...maybe not
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Kandinsky.....

I am just a humble grasshopper to your powerful kung fu.....

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not


reply posted on 4-9-2010 @ 05:39 PM by Kratos40
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But in the southern hemisphere you have big cities such as Montevideo, Buenos Aires, Pretoria, Antanarivo, Christchurch, Wellington, etc, etc. Why don't we see more UFO reports from these places?
I live in Arizona, and I will concede that weeks could go by without seeing a single cloud in the sky. But I have never seen anything unusual in the skies.


Cheers...


reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 12:19 AM by Toxicsurf
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Thanks so much for those links. I don't know how I missed such a well presented thread, must have been the week I was moving and had no internet....



reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 03:15 AM by Blue Shift
Originally posted by Kandinsky
It seems like there might be a pattern to UFO sightings if we could distil all the sightings into one pure database. It's not gonna happen any time soon!


That's not true. Like with any database, all you need is a decent representative sampling of the data to discern patterns. And it's already been done a number of times. Old school UFO researcher Jacques Vallee was one of the first to do it, since his academic background was computer science. He came up with a number of very interesting patterns which led him to hypothesize that UFOs might represent some kind of teaching tool. The data tended to follow the same kind of curve that you would use to teach a rat to run in a maze, or something like that. So he hypothesized that UFOs might be used to "guide" us in some way. I personally don't think he's exactly right, but he did the data study.

I don't remember all the details of his results, but I seem to recall several points that he outlined. They can probably be tracked down somewhere. Maybe here:

UFO Data Study

But among the things found in the pattern were that UFOs:

* Tended to follow natural features such as rivers and mountain ranges, but also artificial features such as state lines. Why state lines? Maybe so police departments would have questions about jurisdiction.
* Were seen more often on Wednesdays, suggesting they were aware of human activity patterns, and avoided weekends when more people could be out at night.
* Were seen more often in October. October 13 was a particularly busy day for some reason.
* Tended to appear in somewhat recognizable shapes just slightly ahead of our own technology. Not thousands of years in advance.

Jacques Vallee on UFO Control System

Among others. The point is, it's been done. You just need to dig a little bit to find the results of the study. It's interesting. And suggests, as more detailed study generally does, that UFOs aren't necessarily about alien beings in space ships. But something a bit more subtle and mysterious.
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reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 03:44 AM by Kandinsky
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Among others. The point is, it's been done. You just need to dig a little bit to find the results of the study. It's interesting. And suggests, as more detailed study generally does, that UFOs aren't necessarily about alien beings in space ships. But something a bit more subtle and mysterious.


Cheers. If you'd read past the first sentence you'd be know that I'm aware of the studies and have discussed them on ATS before.

Vallee found that the sightings reported in databases were sometimes repeated. In one case, 50 times. The databases represent an intriguing sample of reports, but can only be as accurate as the person making the report. Likewise the database can't be guaranteed free of hoaxes or repeated reports. Vallee's sample included reports from the late 19th century...

The paper you refer to is from the mid-70s. Vallee and others have written more extensively since. You should read the rest of my post, check the links, and certainly read the Teodarani paper.


reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 05:52 AM by airspoon
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It could be due to something as simple as behavioral habits. People in the Southern hemosphere may not look up as often or may not be outside at the right times. It could however be that the sightings are of military craft, particularly US or 1st world craft, thus not near as many sightings. It also can be due to the "UFO culture here in the west, where people see what they want to see. For instance, when someone in Brazil sees a light in the sky, they may see just that, while someone in the US may see ET when they see a light in the sky. Of course it could be the dead opposite too, where ET has distinct patterns and the sightings here on Earth can parse those patterns. I just think it is more likely to be human patterns as opposed to UFO patterns.


--airspoon
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