Worldwide Eugenics Operation: Professor Openly Calls For the Sterilization of the “Unfit”, page 2
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reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 12:17 PM by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Famous People With Genetic Disorders:

Abraham Lincoln:

Famous people who suffer from genetic diseases such as hemophilia have often drawn great public attention and curiosity. The successes of such people have inspired members of society to pursue excellence in their areas of specializations despite their delicate health conditions.


Abraham Lincoln reigned as the first President of the United States for close to four years. He is favorably remembered for giving great leadership directions during the Civil War of the 1980s and for his Emancipation Proclamation that led to the freeing of Confederate slaves.


It has also been postulated that Lincoln had Marfan syndrome:

In 1962, a Los Angeles physician diagnosed a 7-year-old boy with Marfan syndrome, a dominant genetic disorder that leads to a whole variety of complications, including early death from a ruptured heart. The patient was an indirect descendent of Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln left no direct progeny), and the physician speculated that perhaps Lincoln had the same disorder.


Stephen Hawking:

Stephen Hawking - Professor Stephen Hawking is a well-known example of a person with MND, and has lived for more than 40 years with the disease. Stephen Hawking: The internationally renowned Physicist, has defied time and doctors pronouncements that he would not live 2-years beyond his 21 years of age when he was diagnosed with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS); also known as Lou Gehrigs disease. The symptoms are very similar to those of CP, Hawking cannot walk, talk, breathe easy, swallow and has difficulty in holding up his head. Hawking, 51, was told 30 years ago, when he was a not-very-remarkable college student. Read more: www.disabled-world.com...


Pope John Paul II:

Pope John Paul II - (18 May 1920 2 April 2005) Pope John Paul II reigned as the 264th Pope of the Roman Catholic Church and Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City from 16 October 1978, until his death, almost 27 years later. On 13 May 1981 John Paul II was shot and critically wounded by Mehmet Ali Ag(ca, a Turkish gunman, as he entered St. Peter's Square to address an audience. He was rushed into the Vatican complex, then to the Gemelli Hospital, where Dr. Francesco Crucitti, a noted surgeon, had just arrived by police escort after hearing of the incident. The Pope had lost almost three-quarters of his blood, a near-exsanguination, despite the fact that the bullets missed his mesenteric artery and abdominal aorta. He underwent five hours of surgery to treat his massive blood loss and abdominal wounds. John Paul II's health suffered a major blow after the first failed assassination attempt. He went on to a full recovery, and sported an impressive physical condition throughout the 1980s. Starting about 1992, however, his health slowly declined. He rarely walked in public and began to suffer from an increasingly slurred speech and difficulty in hearing. Most experts agreed that the frail pontiff suffered from Parkinson's disease, although it wasn't until 2003 that the Vatican finally confirmed it. Read more: www.disabled-world.com...


These are just a very few people who have made an indelible mark on history, and have also suffered from some form of genetic disorder. Were there parents sterilized because the state deemed them "unfit" to propagate, no one would have ever heard of Abraham Lincoln, Stephen Hawking, or Pope John Paul II.


reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 12:27 PM by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by hotbakedtater



There is everything wrong with the government or some organization deciding who can or cannot procreate, or even live. This pseudoscience has been tried in many countries and has always been proven barbaric.



reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 12:31 PM by boondock-saint
well I have a story that I'd like to share.
A couple miles from me there is a mentally
deficient couple in their 40's. Both are mentally
deficient. After their first child was born with
the aid of your tax dollars through medicaid,
the child was born with Down Syndrome.
At this point their Medicaid Case Worker
advised the mother that it might be best
to refrain from having more children due
to the fact that the % was very high this
would happen again. The mother became
very irate that this was suggested to her.
That was 15 years ago, now today the
mentally deficient couple have 5 children
between the ages of 6 and 14, ALL of which
are mentally deficient and are all state sponsored
children. Both parents are on disability and
food stamps feed the children. It is my
guess that all 5 of these children will be
nothing more than a burden to the taxpayers
who pay them to sit around and have more
mentally deficient babies. So now 2
mentally deficient people have produced
5 more, all of it funded by the taxpayer
dime.

In cases like this, I can def see where
sterilization could have benefited society
as a whole but yet on the other hand, these
people do have a right to have children.
So where do you draw the line?

If you eliminated their funding/support
wouldn't the problem solve itself???
Or is it necessary when these folks
don't have the mental capacity to see
or understand what they are doing to
have them fixed or sterilized against
their will. Do you feel that this decision
should have been made for them???

I'm on the fence with this idea.


reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 01:18 PM by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by boondock-saint



No matter what state the parents are in, and if they are truly capable of safe procreation, then they should be allowed to do so.

So what if the State and taxpayers have to pay for the welfare of the children? Would you rather our funds be spent on waging senseless wars and bailing out the rich, or lining the wallets of corrupt govts around the world?

Those children born may NOT have inherited the genetic disorders of their parents, are innocent and are fully capapble of supporting societies within their capacities, so long as we as members of society do not look down on them but to give them a CHANCE at life, either through specialized education or opportunities. No one, no one, needs to be absolutely left behind. Each and everyone of us have a role to play in society.

No to eugenics please...


reply posted on 5-9-2010 @ 01:42 PM by Sherlock Holmes
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101



Yes, the argument that some people put a strain on welfare and the taxpayer, is not only selfish and morally reprehensible, but lacking in logic.

Look how much obese people cost the taxpayer, or people that consume alcohol and take drugs.

Not to mention how much mental illnesses such as depression, anxiety and OCD cost the taxpayer.

Following the logic of the eugenicists, then we should sterilise all fat people, all alcohol drinkers, and all people that suffer from depression, just in case they pass on their genetic predispositions on to their offspring.

You're going to end up with the majority of people being sterilised !


No, this can't be the real reason that pro-eugenics types want to prevent certain people that they personally class as ''untermensch'' from breeding.

So, what is it exactly that they find so distasteful about having these ''untermensch'' sharing their precious society with them ?

To answer that question, I believe would take a deeper psychological appraisal of the eugenicists.


reply posted on 6-9-2010 @ 11:59 AM by Tarrok
reply to post by boondock-saint



There are so many things our taxes get used for but things like that are something I'd happily see them used for. Their lives are hard enough as it is and I'm sure their children provide them happiness.

There's such a negative image painted towards disabled people in our world that's geared towards competition and the glorification of the 'top dog'.

We're in such a mess. Society is rotten and plain wrong on the top levels. It's such an incredibly complicated knot. I do not want to approve a move to sterilize people when it can easily be expanded to fit into an eugenics based agenda.

If our governments would actually spend our tax money for good things, I'm sure we'd be a lot more willing to support our fellow human beings in living.

It's sad to see a drift towards more and more biological control. As if the mental control they already exert isn't bad enough.
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