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Glenn Beck's Rally Was Large, Vague, Moist & Undirected...

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posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 11:04 PM
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One crucial element of the American subconscious is about to become salient and explicit and highly volatile. It is the realization that white America is within thinkable distance of a moment when it will no longer be the majority. This awareness already exists in places like New York and Texas and California, and there have even been projections of the time(s) at which it will occur and when different nonwhite populations will collectively outnumber the former white majority. But it also exerts a strong subliminal effect in states like Alaska that have an overwhelming white preponderance.




At the last "Tea Party" rally I attended, earlier this year at the Washington Monument, some in the crowd made at least an attempt to look fierce and minatory. I stood behind signs that read: "We left our guns at home—this time" and "We invoke the First Amendment today—the Second Amendment tomorrow." But Beck's event was tepid by comparison: a call to sink to the knees rather than rise from them. It was clever of him not to overbill it as a "Million"-type march (though Rep. Michele Bachmann was tempted to claim that magic figure). The numbers were impressive enough on their own, but the overall effect was large, vague, moist, and undirected: the Waterworld of white self-pity.


Source


Christopher Hitchens wrote this article and I have to say, he nailed it.




It's revolting what these people did to the MLK Legacy.




posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 11:28 PM
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I think Glenn Beck was the wrong man for the job. considering his history of calling the president a racist, the fact he did not know that this was the same place and same date that MLK spoke, and a slew of other reasons, I don't think this was the right man for the job.

I've been watching his show for a couple years now, and this week it was all about the numbers, and all about negative coverage of others reporting information and opinions about it monday and tuesday. He even said he only had two words for every one:

"Thank you. Thank you for Trusting ME"
-Glenn Beck Aug 28th, Aug 29th, Aug 30th ..... 2010

yes Glenn Beck, hundreds of thousands showed up for you. stroke that ego, Glenn.

here are two more threads that i know about talking about some aspects of this event from different angles, not necessarily the same exact subject material, though, imo.

the second is authored by yours truly, and is really cut and dry, i just compiled the videos of the event (in it's entirety), pre 8-28 news coverage, some interviews of participants, and after interviews with Glenn Beck.

Beck, Palin, "Restore Honor Tour"

Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" D.C. Event. Aug 28th, 2010. Many Videos.

Thanks for sharing your opinion and thoughts and video OP.

I may not agree with all of it, and i certainly may not agree with Glenn Beck, his message, or his tactics. i do not care for someone who does not take the same advice he seems to expect from others.

However, just because i pick my side of the fence, does not mean i do not listen to what is being said from the other side of that fence. I make a conscious effort to watch different "news" channels and also seek out alternative news sources for information (hence i am a member on ATS).

S&F,
et

[edit on 4-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 11:39 PM
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Meh, I think its high time a proper national socialist party holds a rally somewhere noticable...just for a comparison..just so people can see what actual socialist ideas are.

you will actually be suprised when it seems like a fairly good idea...nazi germany wasn't doing too bad for itself actually, the problem was the whole jew killing/war/totalitarianism aspects that adopted along with it.

but to the point, Beck continues to say that regulating insurance industries so more people can afford to get covered = the return of the reich...it is a slap in the face of not MLK, but of the survivors and children of survivors of WW2.

I love how in the video they have the guy saying...oh, he promised change, but it wasn't the change people wanted...erm...actually, its pretty much what he ran on...sorry if you weren't paying attention, and incidently, McCain lost...get over it, Obama was not promising what McCain was saying...of course your upset that the stuff McCain didn't come to pass...

Meh, I am tired of these types of threads...wow, go figure, conservative republicans are not happy that a democrat is in office...who woulda thunk it...you want to go back to the good ole days of dubya, then get your collective conservative arses in gear and get your guys elected, which means convincing the public of the results of the bush administration.

I will give Beck one thing...he is correct in the fact that a person in the US needs to feel compelled to strive for greatness...I am not in favor of having handouts for every possible desire you have simply because your born here...but I think its a sign of a successful culture if we can take care of the medical needs of both the most wealthy and the most poor in society...and give them some food to eat should they need it, and some clothes...would even go as far to say as little fema trailers for the homeless...the rest is something they need to strive for.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Meh, I think its high time a proper national socialist party holds a rally somewhere noticable...just for a comparison..just so people can see what actual socialist ideas are.


dare i say it? you may actually have a valid point.
but, according to some of my "news commentators" on tv, the Democratic National Conventions are socialist party rallies.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 11:46 PM
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Don't you mean that Glenn Beck himself is large, vague, moist and undirected?

I know you meant to say that, right?










[edit on 3-9-2010 by nine-eyed-eel]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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Well guy, most of us are sick of Trans-nationalism, failed socialism, failed communism and idiot idealist that embrace those failed systems (hint).

ANY speech that is not in line with these leftest agendas is Hate Speech or Racist and the rest of us are getting quite sick of this crap and at @ss hats in the MSM who sold out any measure of journalistic integrity and publicly and actively promote these progressive agendas. Why do you think your hated Fox news is doing so well? Because ALL of the other networks sold out any sense of political neutrality and journalistic integrity to the Democratic Party.

But Please.. Keep It Up. All of those hated "white" Independent voters listen to this bull-crap daily and are really feeling your "inclusiveness". Please keep telling us how if we don't agree with a freeking POLICY that we are racist. Please keep telling us that if we don't agree lock-step with every Democratic party platform that we are haters and racist. You idiots leave no room for opinion or debate before screaming racist, hater, racist, hater, racist, hater.

Do you get it?





[edit on 4-9-2010 by infolurker]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:04 AM
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relax, not everyone thinks those who disagree with obama are racist. Its just what the democratic politicians want people who disagree with obama to be called. Its the same as when bush was in office and if you disagreed with him you were called anti-american. But i will say from my own personal experience that i know a lot of people that dont like obama because he is african american. It is a fact that they exist, the label is just thrown on anyone who disagrees with him.

And by the way, there is no journalistic integrity on any mainstream media. It doesnt matter if its fox news or cnbc, they all cherry pick certain stories to influence public opinion. It is no accident that they show stories that are not important and distract our attention from the real issues going on in the world.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by infolurker
reply to post by SeventhSeal
 


Well guy, most of us are sick of Trans-nationalism, failed socialism, failed communism and idiot idealist that embrace those failed systems (hint).

ANY speech that is not in line with these leftest agendas is Hate Speech or Racist and the rest of us are getting quite sick of this crap and at @ss hats in the MSM who sold out any measure of journalistic integrity and publicly and actively promote these progressive agendas. Why do your hated Fox news is doing so well? Because ALL of the other networks sold out any sense of political neutrality and journalistic integrity to the Democratic Party.

But Please.. Keep It Up. All of those hated "white" Independent voters listen to this bull-crap daily and are really feeling your "inclusiveness". Please keep telling us how if I don't agree with a freeking POLICY that I am a racist. Please keep telling us that if we don't agree lock-step with every party platform that we are haters and racist. You idiots leave no room for opinion or debate before screaming racist, hater, racist, hater, racist, hater.

Do you get it?



[edit on 4-9-2010 by infolurker]


I do get it,

but the question is: Do You?

I think we know the answer. Thanks for posting



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:54 AM
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Yes, the leftest will understand the message loud and clear in November and try to cope with what has happened... wait, no they won't, they will scream racist, hater, racist, hater and blame Bush.

Pathetic.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 02:07 AM
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Did any of you who think Beck dishonored the memory of MLK actually watch the tribute he gave him? It's more than Al Sharpton did,I watched both rallys. Sharpton's version was way more political in nature,about continuing to vote for Obama and focusing on past grudges. They could have put up so many people who have overcome adversity to become examples of overcoming obstacles and celebrating the advances of blacks,but it's as though having equal opportunities just isn't enough.

There's nothing "vague" about telling people they need to get back to the virtues that made this country great. No one is saying they want to go back to reinstating slavery or anything of the kind. It's about being the best you can be.

Stop focusing on finding fault with the messenger! If you don't have faith in God,that's alright,too,no one is forcing anyone to do that either. Beck is no one's "messiah",he is just saying something no one else in the media is saying,and I believe people found that refreshing and invigorating. If it encourages people to turn to God,is there a problem with that?

That being said,I think God's judgement is already happening to America and will become increasingly severe,and no amount of prayer will change that,though on a personal level,one's faith can make all the difference in how they cope with the changes.

As for the military,I am no fan anymore.knowing how America has abused it's power and it's soldiers,nor do I believe the founding fathers were all that pure in their motives for this country...but the people who serve this country believed they were doing so for the right reasons,and did so out of a love for freedom and justice,and believed in their leaders. How anyone could do that now is beyond me,but many men,women,and their families have made terrible sacrifices,thinking they were fighting a worthy cause,and for that I respect them,and there are great examples of character worthy of attention.

Sorry for rambling,...here's the video of the tribute to MLK that was at Beck's rally.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Meh, I think its high time a proper national socialist party holds a rally somewhere noticable...just for a comparison..just so people can see what actual socialist ideas are.


Already know what they are:



Article 1, section 8:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
Standard of Weights and Measures;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


That and no further.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 03:14 AM
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Glenn Beck is a joke. He prays on the masses that are in search for the truth but don't know where to look. He is a mormon, an admitted "addict in recovery", he works for faux news, he makes 50 million a year, the whole fema camp #, he is a student of theater, he uses several logical fallacies on his programs, he's a joke. I believe the sheep are starting to wake up to it though....



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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This is a challenge........listen to this WHOLE thing, and tell me WHAT is wrong with it? Then tell me what was vague, moist and undirected.....

There was nothing in this whole event that was disgraceful or WRONG, hell Jesse Jacksons march called people RACIST , while Glenns brought people of color, creed, and idiology together.........

Go ahead, what was empty about THIS message Full Video, no excuses..a challenge


Watch this video and then tell me this quote is accurate from the OP.......



. The numbers were impressive enough on their own, but the overall effect was large, vague, moist, and undirected: the Waterworld of white self-pity.


[edit on 4-9-2010 by ManBehindTheMask]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by Ignorance_Defier
 



This is a challenge........listen to this WHOLE thing, and tell me WHAT is wrong with it?

There was nothing in this whole event that was disgraceful or WRONG, ...[snip].... , while Glenns brought people of color, creed, and idiology together.........

Go ahead, what was empty about THIS message


the messenger. the messenger is the empty part. does he practice what he preaches? is he the example of what he expects from others? does he demonstrate through his actions, behaviors, nonverbal communications, and chosen rhetoric what he repeatedly expects from his viewers? is his message consistent?

i spent hours watching videos of that event, you can spend less than one hour watching these:

i watched your video, you can watch these:
just pay attention to the Lewis Black segment, you can ignore the rest:
"GLENN BECK HAS NAZI TOURETTES!" - Lewis Black Steamrolls Glenn Beck!


Jon Stewart & Daily Show's episode prior to 8-28:
Glenn Beck didn't know MLK gave that speech on August 28th?

no racism or intolerance for people of other nations what so ever at that event?
interviews with attendees of the event (13+ min long)


i admit, i did cut & paste some links to videos
,
et

[edit on 4-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 05:29 AM
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no racism or intolerance for people of other nations what so ever at that event?


Some of those answers did make me cringe, but I think it's rather unfair to incite people into answering a question concerning something they weren't aware of. It was rather silly for those who immediately denied it because it doesn't fit their mold of Glenn Beck though. He definitely said it. Whether it's true or not, well, that's up to the individual; I personally do not assent because Barack Obama is half-white, which makes the claim rather awkward.

I also do not agree with taking a few individuals who share controversial opinions and give them camera time. Most of the responses were reasonable "I didn't know that". There were people of all colors there, and there were people from different countries there. If those few silly opinions were the representation of the entire audience, I do not think non-whites or non-Americans would be attending it.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 05:37 AM
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Again with the 'white self pity' thing ....

The race card thing is soooooooo old ... and pathetic.

The only thing that happened about 'race' at that rally was they honored MLK and talked about how everyone needs to come together because everyone is a child of God.

How someone gets 'white self pity' from people actually getting along and declaring they have more in common than not; and that they are all equal children of God ....

... that's .... well ....
and
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posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by imherejusttoread
Some of those answers did make me cringe, but I think it's rather unfair to incite people into answering a question concerning something they weren't aware of.


asking a question is not inciting people to do something against their will. all the individual has to do is say "i don't know enough about that to provide an answer", instead of giving an answer to a question they don't have an answer to.



If those few silly opinions were the representation of the entire audience, I do not think non-whites or non-Americans would be attending it.


i in no way meant to imply that a few were a representation of the whole. i don't mean to give the impression that these few individuals were how everyone at the event felt or thought.

but i also haven't made the claim that there were absolutely no racial events or racially bigoted views or opinions that attended that event.

to say there was absolutely no examples of racial actions, behaviors, words, or motivation from the hundreds of thousands who attended is to say i know what every one of those people said, did, and thought at that restoring honor rally to "reclaim the civil rights movement".
(Reclaim from whom?)

Who is Glenn Beck reclaiming the civil rights movement from?

thanks,
et



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Who is Glenn Beck reclaiming the civil rights movement from?


I do not think it was so much about reclaiming the civil rights movement but instead, in the wake of expanding government, it would be more appropriate to say restoring those civil rights that the original movement stood for.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by infolurker
reply to post by SeventhSeal
 


Yes, the leftest will understand the message loud and clear in November and try to cope with what has happened... wait, no they won't, they will scream racist, hater, racist, hater and blame Bush.

Pathetic.


You mean how the Right claims Obama hates white people, born in Kenya, a Socialist/Marxist/Communist/Nazi/Fascist (lolwut?!) and remain bitter McCain/Palin lost the last election?

I sense severe bitterness from you. Please, let's remain constructive in our postings here, thanks.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Who is Glenn Beck reclaiming the civil rights movement from?


I do not think it was so much about reclaiming the civil rights movement but instead, in the wake of expanding government, it would be more appropriate to say restoring those civil rights that the original movement stood for.



But, Glenn Beck himself is on tape saying he is/was "reclaiming the civil rights movement". you can witness Glenn Beck himself saying this the weeks leading up to the 8-28 rally in Jon Stewart's the Daily Show link in one of my above posts, i believe.

so, it is not me saying that glenn beck is out to reclaim the civil rights movement, it is glenn beck stating he is reclaiming the civil rights movement. Glenn Beck's words, not mine.

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