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All Gun Shops Should Cease Selling To Hispanics Immediately

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posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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www.campaignforliberty.com...


In Federal District Court on July 20, 2010, the ATF won a conviction from an Austin jury that defies logic and reason. In a trial before Federal Judge Sam Sparks, government lawyers conceded Texas resident Paul Copeland did not know his buyer was an illegal alien, but the jury they should convict him anyway because he "had reasonable cause to believe" he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing. And the jury did as asked. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Freel acted as lead prosecutor in the case.

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Mr. Copeland is a 56 year old Cedar Creek resident and Vietnam veteran who liked to buy, sell, and trade firearms as a hobby. On January 16, however, he had the misfortune to sell a handgun to Leonel Huerta Sr., who spoke both English and Spanish. Huerta Sr. negotiated his purchase from Copeland in English, showing Copeland his Texas Driver’s License. At Copeland’s trial Huerta admitted on the witness stand, that he is in the country illegally, (Huerta Sr. had previously admitted this fact to Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Special Agent Leo Buentello). ATF Agent Shawn Kang claimed he saw Huerta later hand off the gun to Aviles. Despite these admissions, Huerta Sr. was never arrested, charged, or deported. Instead, his presence at the gunshow was used to entrap an American citizen into an unwitting violation of a federal gun control law. Huerta Sr., who is a resident of the City of Austin, appeared as a witness at the trial, admitted he was in the country illegally before federal prosecutors and a federal judge, yet he was allowed to leave the courtroom under his own power. To date Huerta Sr. has not been prosecuted for his purchase, possession, or disposition of the handgun he bought from Copeland, while Copeland is now a convicted felon.


There's your article.

Her's the best part

government lawyers conceded Texas resident Paul Copeland did not know his buyer was an illegal alien, but the jury they should convict him anyway because he "had reasonable cause to believe" he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing. And the jury did as asked. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Freel acted as lead prosecutor in the case.



The government is promoting this racist agenda and have been from the start.




posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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Nothing was left out of the story.....here's the source.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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The first rule to denying ignorance is to carefully read the OP.
After which you may rant and rave inchoherently all you want.
This freaking thread reads like abbott and costellos "Whos On First" skit
Is there no way of at least charging the illegal Huerta with the same crime?he obviously handed off the gun to an illegal himself!The two(vet and illegal may become cellmates if the law is followed to its conclusion.)
[edit on 4-9-2010 by stirling]

[edit on 4-9-2010 by stirling]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 08:41 AM
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The most important part is missing out of this article.

The federal background check.

Aren't people required to a federal background check when they buy a firearm? It's actually something I am against, but it's an important missing part of this story.

Where was the Federal background check on the gun purchaser?



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Irony. Look it up and then reread mnemeth's first post. Sheesh people, some of you are as intelligent as a coat rack.

S&F for you, mnemeth. I'm actually going to my first gun show, ever, this weekend. I can't wait!

/Q



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by eNumbra
 


The most important part is missing out of this article.

The federal background check.

Aren't people required to a federal background check when they buy a firearm? It's actually something I am against, but it's an important missing part of this story.

Where was the Federal background check on the gun purchaser?



In Texas it's only for handguns. For rifles and shotguns you have to wait for the cashier to ring you up.

/Q



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 09:25 AM
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If I was a gun shop owner I would NOT sell a gun to any person If I thought he or her was not a LEGAL citizen of the U.S.

One bit of info that is being left out here. Was it a pistol or a rifle-shotgun? If it was a pistol then the gun owner did not do his job and run the required background check or the Fed gave him the all clear and he has then supporting evidence to clear him.

What I suspect is, that this was a rifle of some sort. Gun shop owners have no way to check if the person is legal unless the feds provide them with one and nobody even wants that hassle and infringement on honest Americans.

So here is the solution.

Don't sell guns to anyone who looks and talks like a foreigner!!!!!!



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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Thank you very much. I did not see that posted. This was not a retail transaction. That was the part I missed. Lot's of white and black convicted fellon's and mentally unstable get guns at the shows because there really are no checks in place like a retail gun store.
Just my .02



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Since I am Hispanic let me just thank you, Sir, for so brilliantly and eloquently exposing your racist hatred of someone of a different ethnicity than you. Regrettably, while you think you are furthering the cause of the average American, in fact, you are only playing into stereo-types that further inflame what is rapidly becoming an unstable racial situation. Personally, I do not need a weapon or ammo to do harm to you as you are only too willing to do it to yourself with such hubris and vitriol being espoused. I apologize if my command of the English language is above your level of comprehension, however, if I were an individual such as yourself, I would feel more threatened by an educated Hispanic with a better understanding and command of the English language than yourself. Furthermore, I was born and bred, AMERICAN. I believe in, support and will fight to defend the Constitution of These United States of America and am willing to feed the Tree of Liberty with my own blood if and when the time comes, JUST so that people like you can continue to exercise your right to make a fool of yourself through your "speech". Based on my experience, your kind would NOT be welcome within the Tea Party as, in my opinion, you appear to be what could be characterized as a race baiter. But in any event, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to show America and the world, why Hispanics form a proud and vibrant part of the fabric of American society.


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posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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In Texas it's only for handguns. For rifles and shotguns you have to wait for the cashier to ring you up.


Well that puts a giant hole in this supposed story doesn't it?

If it's not against a federal law to buy a rifle then it's a state issue and the OP is way off by posting that the feds will come get you!



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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You're way, way off...

If anybody should be banned from guns it would be middle-aged white dudes. They get fired and then go shoot the place up later....Lots of hidden aggression waiting to surface.







posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher


Don't sell guns to anyone who looks and talks like a foreigner!!!!!!


Just white people. Right. Good plan!



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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My best friend is Hispanic.

Oh, btw, he's also a die hard libertarian that hates the State nearly as much as I do.

My god daughter is also Hispanic.

Several of my past girl friends were Hispanic and Asian.



[edit on 4-9-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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The OP is trying to make a point to expose the racist policy of the Federal Government.

You shouldn't respond without actually watching the video.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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I think the OP is being tongue-in-cheek.

He's basically saying due to the rules, they expect you to act racist.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by 19872012
I think the OP is being tongue-in-cheek.

He's basically saying due to the rules, they expect you to act racist.


The State is not "expecting" you to act racist.

They are demanding you act racist or face federal prison time.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Quaght
In Texas it's only for handguns. For rifles and shotguns you have to wait for the cashier to ring you up.

/Q



Originally posted by whatukno
Well that puts a giant hole in this supposed story doesn't it?

If it's not against a federal law to buy a rifle then it's a state issue and the OP is way off by posting that the feds will come get you!


Gun Control Act of 1968

Prohibited persons
Under the GCA, firearms possession by certain categories of individuals is prohibited.

1.Anyone who has been convicted in a federal court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
2.Anyone who has been convicted in a state court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding two years, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
3.Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.
4.Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.
5.Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution.
6.Any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa. Legal non-immigrant aliens may possess guns if they have a current, valid hunting license.
7.Anyone who has been discharged under dishonorable conditions from the United States armed forces.
8.Anyone who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship.
9.Anyone that is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner. (added 1996)
10.Anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (added in 1996 by the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, or "Lautenberg Amendment.")
[emphasis added]

Yep, Fed says illegals can't own guns.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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What a ---- up piece of crap government they're morphing our republic into. The transition to socialism itself is intolerable. What are we going to do people?

If you didn't watch the video because of your prejudice lil crap against Jones, well then just exactly what the hell is that ? Hate's an odd thing.

Federal back ground check? On an illegal?

"Ok he checks out. No history of violence here ".



[edit on 4-9-2010 by randyvs]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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I'll post the info I came across.

First, the guy name seems to be C.B. Copeland not Paul.

Second, the guy wasn't arrested at the gun show, some felons and illegals were. Seems if this guy was charged he was charged at a later date. His weapons were seized at the gun show.


Mr. Copeland was not "taken away", only the firearms on his table for sale.



The three were arrested and officers came to Mr. Copeland's table and confiscated his firearm.


www.tsra.com...:casualty-of-the-austin-gun-show-chaos&catid=55:tripp-talk&Itemid=113< br />
It does seem that the Austin PD did heavily recommend to the owner of the building to adopt certain recommendations that the gun show agent seemed to agree to.

Here is some extra info for those who really want to get down to the truth.


One thing appears true: Since the FFL rule was implemented by HEB, the wording of the TGS announcement on their web site is overstated.


www.examiner.com...


A highly-placed source at HEB wanted to clarify two points about last week's meeting:

* HEB never had an agreement with Texas Gun Shows. Their agreement is with Austin Marketplace who subleases to TGS.
* HEB did not ask for the recommendations from APD or BATF, the recommendations came unsolicited.


www.examiner.com...

www.austinchronicle.com...:951395

APD press release


news video

Not sure what news video says because I have no audio



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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I'm ok with all the illegals can't have a firearm, but the post says ALL HISPANICS? what the hell? so that means all black and all asians too? should be only white americans can have fire arms? thats my beef with the subject.



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