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All Gun Shops Should Cease Selling To Hispanics Immediately

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posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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The only true force equalizer is a firearm.

Therefore, if one believes they have a right to defend themselves, one ultimately must believe in the right to carry a gun if one is to be logically consistent.



[edit on 6-9-2010 by mnemeth1]


Logically consistent..Philosophy 101...ok whatever Ill bite.

According to your logical consistency I have the right to have my own personal Nuke...right? Oh wait a minute , thats only if Im part of a group of people large enough to force my views upon a smaller group under the threat of using said Nuke.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by psyko45]




posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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he did check the drivers licence.


How?

And could you provide documentation for this?

If he did indeed 'check' the liscense, then didnt this show suspicion on the part of the seller?

He would have been better off not to 'check' anything. If this happened then this was the fatal error.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 10:47 PM
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The Constitution would disagree with the courts conviction.

However since the Constitution is used selectively to keep yourself out of prison you need to learn from the precedent of the court cases.

The man sold a gun to a man with a tx drivers license , the man he sold to was an illegal alien.The burden of proof was the man had a tx drivers license. The police then arrested the seller, said he sold to illegal intentionally.
The illegal got on stand under oath said he sold the gun to another illegal alien and admitted to some other crimes 3 felonies in court. Illegal alien walks free not deported.

Now here we are at a cross road. How do you verify a persons legal status to buy a weapon. If it is illegal to ask for such identification.
Then if you are supplied with adequate information, the police claim it is fake and send you to prison.

WOw it just hit me. The gov is elevating illegals above a citizen, even going so far as using them as weapons against citizens.
Alex Jones is right.

It makes absolute sense when Alex Explains the paradigm .

God bless Alex !



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by psyko45





The only true force equalizer is a firearm.

Therefore, if one believes they have a right to defend themselves, one ultimately must believe in the right to carry a gun if one is to be logically consistent.



[edit on 6-9-2010 by mnemeth1]


Logically consistent..Philosophy 101...ok whatever Ill bite.

According to your logical consistency I have the right to have my own personal Nuke...right? Oh wait a minute , thats only if Im part of a group of people large enough to force my views upon a smaller group under the threat of using said Nuke.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by psyko45]


I don't see any problem with a citizen owning a nuke.

Of course, good luck trying to purchase one.

Private markets don't produce nukes, only government terrorists produce nuclear weapons.



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by psyko45


he did check the drivers licence.


How?

And could you provide documentation for this?

If he did indeed 'check' the liscense, then didnt this show suspicion on the part of the seller?

He would have been better off not to 'check' anything. If this happened then this was the fatal error.


ummm.. the illegal migrant got up on the witness stand and said so?

Then the illegal was allowed to leave the court room under his own power and was not arrested.

Of course, you would know this if you watched the video, which obviously you haven't.

Yet you are still in here arguing like you actually have something of value to add to this conversation.


[edit on 6-9-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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ummm.. the illegal migrant got up on the witness stand and said so?

So that makes it true? Still didnt say what method was used to check liscense.


Then the illegal was allowed to leave the court room under his own power and was not arrested.


Having a 'valid ' liscense is a crime?


Of course, you would know this if you watched the video, which obviously you haven't.


I have watched it.


Yet you are still in here arguing like you actually have something of value to add to this conversation.


Typical condescending comment from the loser of a debate. Try using good sportsmanship.


[edit on 6-9-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by spacekc929
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Because you are saying that all illegal immigrants are Hispanic. And, that we should take away the right of Hispanic Americans - i.e., the right to bear arms - because of how they look. How do you NOT see the racism in what you are saying?


That's not what he's saying at all.

He's saying that this guy was convicted of selling firearms to an illegal immigrant whose skin was brown, who provided valid identification, which is all that is necessary and all that can be required for the sale of said firearm and that if you want to avoid going to federal prison, don't sell a hispanic looking person a firearm even if they provide legal documentation because that's is what happened here and he went to prison anyways.


Jaden



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by psyko45





The only true force equalizer is a firearm.

Therefore, if one believes they have a right to defend themselves, one ultimately must believe in the right to carry a gun if one is to be logically consistent.



[edit on 6-9-2010 by mnemeth1]


Logically consistent..Philosophy 101...ok whatever Ill bite.

According to your logical consistency I have the right to have my own personal Nuke...right? Oh wait a minute , thats only if Im part of a group of people large enough to force my views upon a smaller group under the threat of using said Nuke.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by psyko45]


yes under the second amendment, you have the right to own your own nuke.

The government has NO right to own any firearm that the citizenry does not.

Jaden



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
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The guy had a valid license - didn't matter.

He was brown and here illegally, so the vet goes to prison.

Hence, no one should sell to anyone that looks remotely Hispanic.


So you are evidently racist... First of all there are illegals of MANY nationalities, and many of them are white people from European, Asian, and even African countries.. The color of your skin does not make you, or anyone else legal just because the color of such person is white and such a person has blue or green eyes... But instead of you saying/writing "do not sell to illegals" you are telling people to not sell guns to "any brown hispanic person", and that is nothing more than a racist, and ignorant comment....

If you, or any other redneck from anywhere in the world decides to not sell a gun, or anything else to me because I am Hispanic i would sue your a$$, and i would recommend to any hispanic person who is legal in the country and who is denied by any "reckneck" to buy a weapon or anything else on the basis of "skin color" to also sue the a$$ of that reckneck...

If it wasn't because of my accent people would think I am a regular white American but with brown eyes and dirty blond hair, but I do not hide the fact that I am hispanic no matter the color of my skin, and i am proud of being Hispanic.

What are you going to tell people next, to join the KKK?...

As to whats the government is trying to do, which is scare people into not selling firearms to people because of skin color, the government should also be sued...

I have been contemplating for a long time to also sue the behind of Janet Napolitano and the NSA because in their "rightwing extremism" document they imply that people who fear "Communism", alongside fearing other draconian policies, could be "potential terrorists"...

This is going to far, this country is being transformed by the "PROGRESSIVES", and other idiots who want to completely control people into a draconian Socialist state...



edit on 8-9-2010 by ElectricUniverse because: errors, and to add comments



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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EU, you did not sense the sarcasm in mnemeth's comments in the thread?

I thought you had better senses.

Right from the beginning, he has been saying that the GOVERNMENT is the one that has used race to convict the defendant. Period. He is using his sarcastic and absolute disdain for the control parameters that the government uses.

First off, the government convicted him using inferred racism. If a mexican gives you an ID, you must assume that it is falsified.

BUT, the funny thing is, if you ask for further identification, you can be charged with civil rights violations.

DAMNED IF YOU DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON'T!

The government is using the color of law to eliminate sales of guns. I wonder why THAT is?



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Hmmm let's see, let's stop selling something to a person based on their ethnicity?

How and in what twisted world does that make any sense?

I am not going to bother watching your alex jones nonsense, I am instead going to just reply to this idiocy.

You can't just refuse to sell to someone because of their ethnicity, that's pretty illegal and would get the proprietor of the gun store in a lot of trouble.

But this is another one of your troll threads isn't it?


Absolutely! The ATF was able to put a Texas man in jail because he didn't profile. The jury decided the man should have known the guy he sold a pistol to was here illegally. By the way, the illegal who bought the gun was never charged with anything and was allowed to leave the court a free man. Of course I think it is way for ATF to crack down on private sales and intimidate everyone.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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The federal government is racist.

If you are not a racist, then I suggest you write your congressman and tell them to change the law so people don't have to base who they sell guns to on skin color.

Of course, if you watched the video, which you obviously haven't, you would be in here apologizing to me.



edit on 8-9-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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Why are people calling other people racists - we are "ALL" racists, some just play out there feelings in a more distinct manner.

I cant watch the video here at work but if the ATF ever tried something like this I'd have an army of lawyers eat them from toes to nose alive in entrapment lawsuits galore.

They find these defenseless podunk people to target for an easy kill, wrong! meet my lawyer Gloria Alred bitches!



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by circuitsports
Why are people calling other people racists - we are "ALL" racists, some just play out there feelings in a more distinct manner.

I cant watch the video here at work but if the ATF ever tried something like this I'd have an army of lawyers eat them from toes to nose alive in entrapment lawsuits galore.

They find these defenseless podunk people to target for an easy kill, wrong! meet my lawyer Gloria Alred bitches!


I hope you got cash, because the federal government has an unlimited checking account to pursue you with.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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It's called the NRA, people like me are there poster children and they love us, I'm sure Calguns foundation and the ACLU - plus I would write a griping biopic called "reverse" the white suppression-est movement in modern America.

Tom Brokaw would interview me in Jail and I would tear up saying that all I ever wanted was to work hard and live the American dream.

TMZ personally would dedicate a whole issue to my trials. The jail I was in would errupt in siege - the whole thing would be biblical


edit on 8-9-2010 by circuitsports because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Wow, this is still going on? so is it possible i can start a thread bc i found an illegal alien from Isreal and say that we should round up all jews into a camp? bc if this illigal jew does break the law shouldnt he go to a special camp?



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 11:28 PM
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I found an interesting discussion of this alleged incident at the TexasCHLForum.

No one can seem to find any good evidence that the incident ever happened. Everything seems to come from the one press release.

If in fact it did happen, I can't believe the conviction won't be overturned on appeal. But it looks to me very much like it never happened at all.



posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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There were several sources that reported on this arrest, and they can be found throughout this thread.

a few of them:
www.campaignforliberty.com...

www.590klbj.com...

one of the court documents, just totally quash any claims that this didn't actually occur:
www.keepandshare.com...




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posted on Sep, 8 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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And all of them seem to be either cut-and-paste, summarized, or lightly modified versions of the press release from Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, which oddly no longer has the press release on their own site (it's still available through infowars, which is where I found it).

I can't say absolutely for sure that it didn't happen, and it's not worth my time and effort to look into it any more. It just looks pretty shady to me.

 


I took a look at the last link you edited in -- that looks like the kind of thing I was hoping for. I'll look through it. Thanks



edit on 9/8/2010 by americandingbat because: add response to previous poster's edit


 


Having read that document, I have to say that the way the issue was presented in this thread and in the press release from Peaceable Texans seems pretty skewed.

According to the government's allegations, the seller was approached by a group of four men, one of whom negotiated to buy a gun. The seller asked for his ID, but he didn't have any ID, so he handed the money to his friend who did have ID, who bought the gun and handed back to the friend without ID as they walked away from the table.

The argument isn't that the seller should have known that the buyer was illegal because he was Hispanic, but that the seller should have known that the real buyer was the guy without ID.


edit on 9/9/2010 by americandingbat because: add impression of court _/editby] extra DIV



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 12:02 AM
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I just gave you the photocopied court documents.



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