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Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by Romantic_Rebel
The Bible clearly states that God is a spirit. Please let me know if the Christian definition of spirit in the NT is different than that of the Torah and or the OT. How can I misinterpret this. Mr Hawking said the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
Does nothing have any material attributes
Does spirit have any material attributes?
Spirit and nothing are the same,However nothing is not nothing.
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
On the subject of the article, I also do not see how Hawking was supporting God.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by Hitotsumami
Perhaps we could put it this way;
In Biblical teaching, God created all things.
But God is no thing. [ie not a "thing"]
(Though, admittedly, not quite what Hawkings meant)
Originally posted by micpsi
God did not CREATE the universe. The universe is the physical aspect of God-in-manifestation.
It is a pity Hawking - like most people - is still stuck in the unsophisticated, ancient notion that God CREATED the cosmos, like some old man in a white beard making a dolls house.
If you want real, mathematical evidence for God that cannot be refuted and which proves that M-theory is actually part of the divine blueprint, then spend the six months studying the research articles here:
smphillips.8m.com...
Explore the website as preparation for your encounter with the divine paradigm.
Be advised, however, that the articles will challenge your mathematical ability.
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
Originally posted by micpsi
God did not CREATE the universe. The universe is the physical aspect of God-in-manifestation.
It is a pity Hawking - like most people - is still stuck in the unsophisticated, ancient notion that God CREATED the cosmos, like some old man in a white beard making a dolls house.
If you want real, mathematical evidence for God that cannot be refuted and which proves that M-theory is actually part of the divine blueprint, then spend the six months studying the research articles here:
smphillips.8m.com...
Explore the website as preparation for your encounter with the divine paradigm.
Be advised, however, that the articles will challenge your mathematical ability.
I do not know anything about that website, but would like to make a quick point.
This thread is in response to the Christian God, as the title proposes, and for most people in this modern time, it is believed that the God created the universe.
I will follow the link and research it, but I don't think it will help the current subject of the thread.
Kind regards
Originally posted by ben91069
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
On the subject of the article, I also do not see how Hawking was supporting God.
It is simple. God is spirit. The universe is material. God did not exist first without the universe and then create it, but the material is a reflection of God's spiritual qualities and consciousness - from the smallest of particles to the largest. That is why the Hebrew God claims to be none other than the "I am", because that is everything. It is a blessing to be alive, which means that you are eternal but do not know your path yet.
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
Originally posted by ben91069
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
On the subject of the article, I also do not see how Hawking was supporting God.
It is simple. God is spirit. The universe is material. God did not exist first without the universe and then create it, but the material is a reflection of God's spiritual qualities and consciousness - from the smallest of particles to the largest. That is why the Hebrew God claims to be none other than the "I am", because that is everything. It is a blessing to be alive, which means that you are eternal but do not know your path yet.
Thank you for the response.
I would like to make sure I understand your point. God did not exist without the universe. That is what you said. Does this mean the universe has always been? If it has always been, why is a God required for the universe to be at all?
Thanks again for the reply
Kind regards
From a scientific point of view, Genesis 1:1-2 tells of a preexistent universe prior to creation. 1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. (Gen 1:1-2)
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Real quick! What is the Christian God exactly?
Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by Hitotsumami
Thanks for the reply. To answer your question, lets get deeper into thought.
Matter does not,can not ,will not, produce matter. Only ones will can produce matter.
Next question logically would be what is ones will.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Real quick! What is the Christian God exactly?
For personal reasons, I like this definition.
At least it's quick;
Definition of God