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The NY Mosque Controversy. Summed Up In One Picture.

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posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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Yet you want to handle the Issue like Saudi Arabia would, to show them how wrong that is?


On what basis do you make this claim?

So you do still beat your wife?

Pathetic. It is a prime example of the current state of madness in which this world seems to exit.




posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 05:39 PM
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Great post, I think you made some solid observations.

2nd line.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b

Here is a deal, they can build the mosque, if we can open stripper bars and porn shops in Mecca.



I agree it is ridicuolous.
Yet it is what you said...



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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You're still peddling the nonsense aren't you?

What has the blood shed of hundreds of thousands of innocent people over ten years done to better your country or mine?



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Great post, I think you made some solid observations.

2nd line.



Thanks, I couldn't let you take all the flak mate!!!

I got a few stars in another thread, but no one came out and actually said they agreed. What's the point of having an opinion if you haven't the balls to state it openly.

I do see where everyone is coming from. I do. However not being from the US, my common sense isn't blinded by rights and legal issues. I can just see it for what it is, bad taste.

I fully expect this place to be built, I wouldn't have a problem with it or the people using it, good luck to them. However the politically correct guilt of others won't stop me from having my opinion though!

Good luck, kiwifoot :;up:



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by LarryLove
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You're still peddling the nonsense aren't you?

What has the blood shed of hundreds of thousands of innocent people over ten years done to better your country or mine?


We needed something to fill up the news slots dude. I mean, otherwise people would have been reporting how utterly corrupt our government is.

What else is better than a bunch of brown people being killed?



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower


It's of kind of self evident, perhaps a little too opinionated, but this is certainly how I am viewing this non issue.

Thoughts?

~Keeper

Edit To Add: I would urge all those who are in opposition to the mosque to also read the following thread in order to perhaps understand our view a bit better.

[edit on 9/3/2010 by tothetenthpower]
How do the moral condemnations of those who watch porn, get high, and tip strippers differ from the moral condemnation of a religion?
Aren't those judgement calls based in a Judeo-Christian view of what is moral?
Why isn't the vice of liquor mentioned? Or homosexuality?
Is it because there isn't a consensus among the Christian faithful?
Is this a statement about liberty or subtle way to suggest that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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It's like the saying goes "A picture's worth a thousand words" Well done.


.enod lleW "sdrow dnasouht a htrow s'erutcip A" esog gniyas eht ekil s'tI



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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I'm going to do what I normally would not do post a comment without reading the entire thread.

IMO even if there is the right to build their Mosque there just out of simple respect and compassion for the peoples of New York and the location and how many feel they should yeild and move elsewhere.

When the tables are turned it is expected for Americans to always have respect for Muslim Holidays and celebrations or to show respect for there culture and there beliefs.

I believe they need to show their respect toward us when in the United States of America just as we need to show respect when we are in there County.

I am glad to see New Yorkers standing together its about time.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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You know what...

You're right.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Oh and here's a conspiracy in the making. What's with all the posters with membership going back four or five years coming out the woodwork.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by observe50
I believe they need to show their respect toward us when in the United States of America just as we need to show respect when we are in there County.


It's not "our country" vs "their country".

The partners involved in this proposal are U.S. citizens who are Muslim. They come from different national backgrounds, but have all been in the U.S. for decades (the real estate developer was born here).



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie
I think those that support this mosque have no clue about whats really going on. I see very idealistic liberal gullible people on here indeed. And it's kind of scary to witness this ignorance. We only need to look at Europe to see where America we be in its Islamization process.



Dear friends,

: Thank you very much for inviting me.

: I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old
: world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very
: difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages
: of the Islamization of Europe.

thesteadydrip.blogspot.com...

[edit on 3-9-2010 by wakeUpOrDie]

 


Trimmed copy/paste and added link

[edit on 3/9/10 by masqua]

My god,you mean..
Religions want to convert others?!?!?!?!??!?!?!



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by LarryLove
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So, what about the mosque that has been there for years?

Where is that on the map?


I think a common misconception is that those that have a problem with this mosque being build are anti-Muslim. Of course, some may be, but most are not. The issue is not the presence of a mosque in general. Its the idea of a new mosque being built that will be presented over seas to many as a victory flag of sorts. I agree that they have every right to build this mosque and community center, but I don't think they should out of sensitivity to those killed and affected in NYC by 9-11. Reasonable or not, it will hurt and upset many many people. Simple Christmas displays are barred by many liberal groups from concern of offending others. Christian symbols and t-shirts are barred from public grounds in many places.

This is not anti-Islam to most, but instead one of two matters:

1) Sensitivity to those killed or hurt in NYC on 9-11 and their families or friends.

And/Or

2) This being used overseas by the extremists as a rallying cry and victory flag.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:29 PM
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Don't fall into the precept upon which the map is based.
If you look, all of the things annotated are either illegal and being fought, [don't derail with a war on drugs is useless comment], or are legal; the pornography business, or were already there; the mosque, and had no "known" connection to 9-11.
America is still a free society, at least more so than the countries the cowards of 9-11 came from. The map shown is a joke. Go to any major city in any major (free-ish) country and one might make maps such as this ad-infinitum. Wanna bitch about grounds being desecrated? go to almost all WW II sites, or even better if Europe isn't in your budget, go to D.C. and see homeless Vets begging around the Viet Nam Memorial.

The map means nothing.
I stand by my original opinion that the greatest disgrace is that the people of New York allow NOTHING to be built whilst the Imams are getting it done, have their dung in one bag and can move forward with a project with no resistance fronm the city while a monument is still a HOLE IN THE GROUND! 10 YEARS PEOPLE!
Again, while I think it is in bad taste and shows a certain lack of understanding as to the zeitgeist, we must allow the rule of law to stand.

[edit on 9/3/2010 by LAUGHING-CAT]



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127
Simple Christmas displays are barred by many liberal groups from concern of offending others. Christian symbols and t-shirts are barred from public grounds in many places.

This is not anti-Islam to most, but instead one of two matters:

1) Sensitivity to those killed or hurt in NYC on 9-11 and their families or friends.



I couldn't agree more. The voice of common sense has been lost in the smoke and noise generated by this debate. I've argued from the beginning that this is the crux of the issue for me.

However there are some who just want to name call and portray those who disagree with this as bigoted fools who can't grasp the concept of constitutional rights.




posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by johnny2127
 


So, what about the mosque that has been there for years?

Where is that on the map?


I think a common misconception is that those that have a problem with this mosque being build are anti-Muslim. Of course, some may be, but most are not. The issue is not the presence of a mosque in general. Its the idea of a new mosque being built that will be presented over seas to many as a victory flag of sorts. I agree that they have every right to build this mosque and community center, but I don't think they should out of sensitivity to those killed and affected in NYC by 9-11. Reasonable or not, it will hurt and upset many many people. Simple Christmas displays are barred by many liberal groups from concern of offending others. Christian symbols and t-shirts are barred from public grounds in many places.

This is not anti-Islam to most, but instead one of two matters:

1) Sensitivity to those killed or hurt in NYC on 9-11 and their families or friends.

And/Or

2) This being used overseas by the extremists as a rallying cry and victory flag.


Would you then also agree that no Catholic churches should be build next to kindergardens and schools given the atrocities some priests committed? I mean, just to protect the sensitivity of those molested children and their parents of course...

[edit on 3-9-2010 by MrXYZ]



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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What has the blood shed of hundreds of thousands of innocent people over ten years done to better your country or mine?


I don't know, most of the people killed were killed by their fellow Muslims.

The U.S. has pulled out of Iraq, and the terrorist activity has increased.

You can bet on one thing, people of the same mind will kill several hundred thousand more for the same insane reasons.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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I believe there is more evidence to suggest that the government was involved with 9/11. (actually it is fact, there is far more evidence that the government is lying then there is that a group of muslim extremists who had minimal flying experience where able to blow up the WTCs)

So given your idea, would you think it was wrong if the government decided to build any sort of government building in the same area? Or would you just not care. I don't think you would care. Which is what most people are getting at, we just shouldnt care. It isnt about right and wrong. The only reason it is at all being offensive is because people are making it look offensive. (based on un-confirmed facts)

Kind of like how the drawings of the Prophet Mohammed where made into such a big deal. If you bought the paper and the pencil, go nuts. There is no right and wrong about it



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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O yeh ! The civilized advanced race on the planet we call ourselves... Its all starting to sound like a broken record ! Just get over it ! Make the call ! Build it or dont build it and move on ! Lets put this energy into living in peace !



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