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Update! Officer challenging Obama's eligibility can't see evidence

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posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:16 AM
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reply to post by JohnInFL
 


So what if Obama wasn't born here? He got elected didn't he?

Obviously THE PEOPLE wanted him as their president so its not like there is such a big deal, he is still the commander-in-chief and controls the military and the nukes. The People wouldn't give that kind of power to someone they didn't think was born here. The majority consensus thinks he is born here so he probably most definitely is and that is what matters.

Some people just have to get over it.








*I'm a liberal now...




posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:17 AM
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reply to post by whatukno
 


Did I post twice? What BS are you referring to?



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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It was issued in 2007 (I believe). There's a stamp with the issue date right on it.
If you ordered a copy of your BC, you'd get a fresh new paper with a short form BC. Try it.
Contact your state and ask for your birth certificate. Then post it here.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Using your logic, if enough people are coaxed along, anyone can be president of the US. Just a popularity contest ? Progressives really don't like the Constitution. It just gets in the way. Darn, darn ,darn.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:21 AM
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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Order it? Anyone can do that. I have my original, don't you?



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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Oh don't worry about it, it's not just you it's the entire birther debate, if you are new to this, let me catch you up.

This is how it works. You post unsubstantiated claims that Obama is not eligible for the office of POTUS, you back this up with nothing at all.

Then the rest of us that are actually sane refute your claims with documented evidence, you ignore it completely, and either you, or some other insane birther posts the exact same bull [snip] again and we start all over.

believe me, I have been through this for about two years now, birthers have absolutely no evidence and just at this point are posting unsubstantiated claims.

I can almost guarantee that anything you want to post on this subject has already been posted. And if you are on the birther side of the issue your argument has already been shot down.

Does that help?



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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I do have my original, but not everyone does. My husband didn't and he ordered one and got a short form BC, similar to the one Obama posted.

A Birth Certificate Study

(I have since removed my husband's BC picture, but it was a short form with a seal and date stamp, just like Obama's.)



[edit on 9/4/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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An original certificate would settle the matter. (I am not a birther, I believe Obama is a citizen)

It that simple, otherwise it seems like something is being hidden. It really doesn't matter if this is about Obamas birth place or the actual amount of oil that flowed into the gulf. Non disclosure breeds questionable motive. And when you have a federal judge saying Obamas birth related information could be an 'embarrassment' to the government it further pushes the argument of why is there not a voluntary effort to produce the original. Why? Is it just spite?



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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And when you have a federal judge saying Obamas birth related information could be an 'embarrassment' to the government.


See, now you are getting the hang of it. You just posted an unsubstantiated claim with no source and are passing it off as fact.

You will fit in with the birthers perfectly with this sort of behavior.

Now, without any source to go on we cannot specifically prove or disprove your claim (which is perfect for birthers) and so we must of course believe that you are completely and totally full of [snip]

But, if you are actually interested in substantiated and sourced material on this subject, I have a great blog entry that I wrote just for these threads. I have already posted it here in this thread but I will do so again because apparently you missed it and just jumped the gun and started posting unsubstantiated claims with zero evidence to back them up.

whatukno.com...

I know, you won't read it, because like every other birther out there you aren't interested in the truth at all, but instead are just perpetuating a moronic, pathetic, useless, stupid conspiracy theory with no facts to back it up.

But you can't say I didn't try.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
If Obama screws us one more time, gunshots are going to be heard all across this country and we will see a massive uprising like the world has never seen.


Who is going to be shooting and at whom?

[edit on 4-9-2010 by cindyremains]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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About "embarrassment"... This bothered me, too. It doesn't matter how embarrassing something is, if it's legal, then let's do it. However, it's not legal in this case and the judge apparently didn't say that anyway.

Lt. Lakin's Defense Crushed in Detail:

From someone who heard the ruling:



The judge did not say it would embarrass the President.
What she did say was that it is not the duty of one of the branches of Government to use their power to embarrass the other branches of government.
It’s not a quote, I’m just paraphrasing.


Turns out that the term "embarrass" has a legal meaning, which is to "hinder, annoy or obstruct"

Embarrass



# To hinder with obstacles or difficulties; impede.
# To complicate.
# To interfere with (a bodily function) or impede the function of (a body part).


You'll notice all the birther sites that are using this word (including the OP's source) say things like:



She said opening up such evidence could be an "embarrassment" to the president...


See how they just quote that one word and add their own words around it? That's a trick they use to pull you in. Worked pretty well, didn't it? I'm surprised I didn't catch that in the OP, but now I have. The legal term "embarrass", in this case, means to interfere with another body of government, not to personally embarrass the president.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Emilymary
Interestingly he took the oath of office in secret

A lie?. You claim.
Come on get real. The world!!! saw this.
Next day in an underground room. In private.



I may be a bit slow today but let me give this a shot. Obama took the oath of office in secret? You know this is true because...the WHOLE WORLD SAW IT?

How much beer, meth, and gunpowder do I need in my bloodstream before this birther stuff starts making sense?


The fact you deny this record of fact shows that you are completely disregarding facts and truth, if in this then probably in all your claims.
You are as bogus as the POTUS you are now deliberately falsifying facts to defend.
You are a joke.


Yeah, what kind of idiot denies a secret everyone knows about?




posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Awesome, another birther thread.


Where was he born this time? Or is it about the constitution? I like the constitution ones best.



Oh obviously this is all about the constitution


Originally posted by rbnhd76
I will not be bullied by anyone who can't abide by THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. The Constitution.


You know, unless that same constitution allows someone to build a mosque rbnhd76 loves the constitution, sometimes.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by JohnInFL


Both George Bush's parents and Bill Clinton'sparents are US citizens. Bush's birthplace (Connecticut) is therefore irrelevant, he is a natural born citizen regardless of his birthplace.

The same cannot be said for Obama.

[edit on 4-9-2010 by JohnInFL]


How do you know all four of those people are really US citizens? Have you seen proof of that? Can you show me proof of that? Can you hit me in the head enough times to make me believe it matters? I guess my buddy Aaron will never be president since, being a natural born US citizen, he does not know who his father is.

Any time any of you want to post some documentation to back up these completely ridiculous things you post, that would be fantastic! It might help when you cry about being called crazy or idiots if you actually try and make your case with some reality.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by JohnInFL
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Order it? Anyone can do that. I have my original, don't you?


I do not. My parents were charged with its care when it went missing. Being 3 years old, I seemed in no place to do anything about it. Does that mean I cannot be president because birth certificate is not wrinkled enough? What else do I get disqualified from for not having my original? I would dare say you having yours makes you quite special. What does it say on the top, by the way?



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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Look. This is simple. There is a rule, just adhere to it.
What is difficult about that?

How about this - what is YOUR threshold for determining whether or not a person meets the requirement:
Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States.

In other words - at which point do you start to care about WHO is running?
(forget about their platform)



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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You did not even remotely begin to address anything that I said. Please do not pretend that you did and then point your questions at me. I am still wondering where your proof is that Grandma Bush was an American Citizen.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by JohnInFL
There is a rule, just adhere to it.


The rules have been adhered to. What is difficult about that?



Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States.


This is not true. If that were true, there would be no such thing as "anchor babies". A baby born on US soil, whose parents are in this country, even illegally, is a natural-born US citizen. To change that, the 14th Amendment would have to be repealed.



In other words - at which point do you start to care about WHO is running?
(forget about their platform)


The political platform matters not to me. If a person is not a natural born citizen of this country, they are not eligible to be US president. Period. If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he should be removed from office immediately. I just have no reason to believe that he was born elsewhere.



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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Obama changes the Manual for Courts-Martial on August 31, 2010.


President Obama signed an Executive Order promulgating the 2010 changes to the Manual for Courts-Martial on August 31, 2010. The covering document is on the White House website, but the text of the changes is still neither there nor on the Federal Register and DoD websites as of 10:45 a.m., Sept. 2, 2010.


Executive Order-- 2010 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial


For Immediate Release August 31, 2010

Executive Order-- 2010 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including chapter 47 of title 10, United States Code (Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. 801-946), and in order to prescribe amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States, prescribed by Executive Order 12473 of April 13, 1984, as amended, it is hereby ordered as follows:



10 USC 801-946


Codified at 10 USC 801-946, App 2 of UCMJ
Sets out Crimes and Basic Procedures
Sections I – IX deal with procedures
Apprehension, NJP, Jurisdiction, composition of court, basic trial procedure (charging, statute of limitations, post-trial review, appellate process)
Section X – sets out the punitive articles
Specific Crimes - Similar to Federal/State criminal code
NOT punishments – “may be punished as a court-martial may direct”
RECALL: UCMJ Article 36 & 56 gives PRESIDENT power to set procedures and establish maximum punishments.





[edit on 9/4/10 by makeitso]



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by dereks
 


nope! I was referring to the pice of # that refuses to prove where he was born! I can’t even acknowledge he holds that title, he makes me so sick!


you are the reason that I think Obama refuses to play this game of moving-goal-post shenanigans.

Because as much as i love watching people like you foam at the mouth out of sheer aggressive and ignorant rage...i can only imagine how enjoyable it must be for him.

Your feathers are way too easy to ruffle, and it's too much fun to watch you in a frenzy.


I honestly believe thats why he does it. I know i would.




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