Update! Officer challenging Obama's eligibility can't see evidence

reply to post by Emilymary


I just read through that report filled with tenuous and lengthy notions alluding that Obama may or may not have been connected to the CIA in some capacity. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't but...

Here's a fun fact... George Bush Sr. was the director of the CIA.

So explain to me, again, how any previous CIA involvement somehow suggests that Obama is not a citizen?

reply to post by Hefficide


Yeah, I'm confused as to how "suspicions" and doubts become "facts" all of a sudden...

Anyway, I came across this related piece on CAAFlog and thought it was interesting.

The Lakin Case's Next Steps

Seems Lakin's lawyer (Jensen) is still going to try to get Obama's BC out of this. This action will delay Lakin's court martial, but what the hell? Jensen doesn't care. He wants his fame and adulation from the birther fringe. He will NEVER get what he wants, but he's going to drag this out in spite of his client.

“To justify reversal of a discretionary decision by mandamus, the judicial decision must amount to more than even ‘gross error’; it must amount ‘to a judicial “usurpation of power,”‘ . . . or be ’characteristic of an erroneous practice which is likely to recur.”

Seeing as how Judge Lind has done nothing wrong at all, much less made a "gross error", this should fall by the wayside as well.

Toward the bottom of the page, there's an explanation of the use of the word "embarrassment" in a Supreme Court case.

The birthers are all atwitter over Judge Lind’s reported use of the word “embarrassment” in her ruling denying discovery in the Lakin case.

There's also a link to an interview of Lakin and his Lawyer (Friday night) on that page.




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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Damn it quit trying to use logic. It doesn't work with the Birther crowd. Let's go Emily regurgitate more of your lies without proof. Show me an Obama BC from another country then I'll believe the birther side. Show one single solid piece of evidence that isn't heresay, speculation, presumption or just outright lies and I'll sway over to the Birther side.


Just one piece of evidence...Oh I don't know like a BC issued to him from another country.


Just 1 solid fact!

Here's another point of interest. For those saying that Lakin's order to deploy comes from Obama himself, I'm sorry, but that's incorrect... On disobeying an order:

The order must relate to military duty...
The order must not conflict with the statutory or constitutional rights of the person receiving the order...
The order must be a specific mandate to do or not to do a specific act...
The accused must have actual knowledge of the order and of the fact that the person issuing the order was the accused’s superior commissioned officer.

Lakin's CO issued the order, not Obama.

Article 90

(yeah, I'm bored)

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reply to post by arizonascott

How can he be Christian - when records show he was enrolled in an Indonesian school. To be enrolled in an Indonesian school you "have" to be a Muslim. My guess is he is Muslim first, and Christian when it is convenient - like becoming President.

Sorry to add to your mental confusion, but that just isn't true.

There are schools run by all faiths in Indonesia and there are state schools. Obama attended an Islamic school and a Catholic school. The Islamic school had students of several faiths, not just Muslims, as did the Catholic school.

CNN debunks false report about Obama

The school he attended as a child was a choice of his parents. The religion he practices as an adult is his choice alone. Do you see the difference there?

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Like ALL online "conspiracy" or "grassroots" discussion forums... the overwhelming majority of the usernames defend the establishment if there is damaging information that could take it down overnight. If too many Americans found out the truth about Obama this would not only topple the democrats but the entire political syndicate in Washington. I will never believe that people on ATS actually believe Obama was born in Hawaii.

reply to post by Alxandro

And to think, all this could have been avoided if Obama had not sealed his records on day one. Regardless of which side of the fence you are on with this issue, everyone can at least agree this is highly suspicious.

Exactly what records did Obama seal 'on day one' that has any bearing what-so-ever on 'all this'?

What is 'all this'?

I ask because I want to know exactly what I am supposed to be highly suspicious about. I don't want to point out how you are full of crap, that Obama didn't seal anything that had to do with this controversy on day one or any other day, and then have you say 'oh, yeah, but that isn't what I was talking about'.

So tell us what you are talking about, straight up, so we can tell you how you are wrong, straight up.

To be honest, I am sick of cowards spouting non-sense then disappearing and when the non-sense is disputed, some other fool comes on and says 'I didn't say that. I'm not that kind of lunatic!', and then passing the baton to the next lunatic.

reply to post by rnaa


Most people that I've seen this come from can't read and understand EO 13489 for themselves so they depend on right wing blogs to tell them what to think. All it takes is a little research to find the truth.

Same with all the Indonesian citizen crap. Same with all the rumors, actually. It all comes from blogs.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

The EO he signed in his first day was only about operating records generated DURING his presidency. It only applies to National records, not state records or school records or dentist records.

Reagan was the first to do this, Bush issued an EO that tightened up access to his records and then Obama's EO loosened it to be more like what Reagan had written...

Not state records?

Then why did the governor of Hawaii seal Obama's birth cert?

If Obama won't abide by the Constitution an EO won't mean jack.
Reagan and Bush both did the same but there was never anything controversial surrounding any of their personal documents.
Dan Rather tried, but we all know how that turned out.

Originally posted by Alxandro
Then why did the governor of Hawaii seal Obama's birth cert?

They did not, that is just another birther lie!

If Obama won't abide by the Constitution

But he is....

Reagan and Bush both did the same but there was never anything controversial surrounding any of their personal documents.

Because neither of them were black...

reply to post by Alxandro

Then why did the governor of Hawaii seal Obama's birth cert?

She didn't. Obama's vital statistic records in Hawai'i have exactly the same protection as the records of every other Hawai'ian's records. No more and no less.

National standards for the privacy of medical records are established by the HIPAA which was passed in 1996 and precedes both Obama and Lingle. Hawai'ian State law is separate from, but compatible with, HIPAA.

Furthermore, Hawai'ian State law, and that of most States, maintained the privacy of personal records recorded in their vital statistic systems in exactly the same way even before HIPAA.

As BH has pointed out, the EO sealed PRESIDENTIAL records and has no impact what-so-ever on the State of Hawai'i or its Governor. Every President since Reagan has signed virtually the exact same EO as almost the first point of business.

Governor Lingle, a Republican, has no power and no motivation to issue dictats putting 'seals' on anything.

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LOL I just think its funny that i find this dereks fella in these forums denying any chance of any validity to any claim against the government. LOL he is either on the disinfo payroll or he has been so well programmed and is so nationalistic and patriotic that he cannot bring himself out of the cave to see things aren't as they like us to beleive. Its quite funny, I suggest anyone that runs into him just tell him hes right, theres no such thing as a conspiracy and that they should remove the word from the dictionary then nod, smile and walk away.

Peace

Originally posted by Alxandro
Not state records?

Right, Like birth certificates.

Then why did the governor of Hawaii seal Obama's birth cert?

She didn't do anything different to HIS BC than any state does to ANY BC. They're all property of the state and no one can get them unless they are the person or family or it's ordered through a court. In other words, EVERYONE'S records are "sealed". Even yours.

If Obama won't abide by the Constitution an EO won't mean jack.

Agreed, but that word "if" in the beginning there makes it supposition. There is no evidence that Obama is not abiding by the Constitution. In fact, the evidence points STRONGLY in the other direction.

Reagan and Bush both did the same but there was never anything controversial surrounding any of their personal documents.

For the last time, these EOs do NOT apply to personal records, just national records generated DURING the presidency.

reply to post by Titan Uranus


Have you got something pertinent to the topic of the thread or did you just drop in here to lay a personal attack another member? Your post should be removed as it's entirely off topic AND a personal attack.

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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


LOL sorry just and observation. I shall not cross you oh mighty lord.

Why is Obama's CIA past a big secret? Why was Obama's involvment in Acorn never investigated?

I love the change you voted for when it's basically Bush all over again with the added extra spending and redistributing of wealth... And please stop resorting to calling everyone who dislikes the direction America is going in as some conservative blogger. I'm Libertarian therefore I can't follow a leader like Bush or Obama. They both want progressivism in America. "They" believe they can make better decisions for you then you can make for yourself. Nanny state 101 along with socialism. That's where we are and you support it?? It's people like you and the rest of the progressive movement that have orchestrated our economic disaster and loss of liberties.. You regulate everything and tax everything with your big scares and fearmongering. I don't fall for your bul# anymore and anyone LIKE YOU that can support anyone LIKE THEM might aswell BE ONE OF THEM... You support it and help it continue with your strong headed ego of partisanship, never possibly being wrong.. YOUR A DISGRACE!


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Originally posted by Raphael
Why is Obama's CIA past a big secret?

What "CIA past"? And if it's a big secret, how do you know about it? Thirty years ago, he worked as a junior editor for a year at a company that is supposedly NOW a cover for the CIA. Supposedly. Everything else is suspicion.

Bush Sr. was HEAD of the CIA... What's the problem?

Why was Obama's involvment in Acorn never investigated?

What do you mean? His involvement in ACORN is public knowledge. He was a community organizer. He worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now when he was 23 years old. It's been pored over by MANY people, investigated to the hilt! They can't find ANYTHING Obama did wrong.

And what does that have to do with anything? What does that have to do with whether or not he was born in the US?

This is just the kind of crap that you guys try to muddy the water with. If he was born outside the US, NONE of this other stuff should matter, but it NEVER fails that when a birther thread comes up, people start attacking everything else about his life, based on stupid suspicions, and forget all about the actual issue.

That makes it VERY clear that you're just USING this birther thing to get rid of him because you don't agree with is politics. You scream, "He wasn't born here"! And then proceed to rant against his past, his politics, his religion, his name, his old jobs, his way of life, even! The hard-core birthers are showing themselves to be QUITE disingenuous.

You should get the # out of this country[

Hey, if you don't like it, I think it's YOU who should leave.

[edit on 9/7/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Raphael
Why is Obama's CIA past a big secret?

What "CIA past"? And if it's a big secret, how do you know about it? Thirty years ago, he worked as a junior editor for a year at a company that is supposedly NOW a cover for the CIA. Supposedly. Everything else is suspicion.

Bush Sr. was HEAD of the CIA... What's the problem?

I don't really have a problem with him being in the CIA at all I have a problem with a coverup thats taken place along with strong arm tactics of stopping anyone who wants to find out anything. WHy not just come forward and say "I was working for the CIA and was born overseas." Perfectly logical explanation for his "Certificate of live birth." Instead it's been a shutup and gtfo reaction. In a free democracy when people believe someone has deceived them, they go to court. This is how JUSTICE is handled. By Obama not being able to be brought to court that means Justice no longer exists or at least it only exists for certain people. McCain came out and said he was born overseas.. If Obama has nothing to hide why not go to court? it just doesn't make any sense unless theres something to hide..

What do you mean? His involvement in ACORN is public knowledge. He was a community organizer. He worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now when he was 23 years old. It's been pored over by MANY people, investigated to the hilt! They can't find ANYTHING Obama did wrong.

And what does that have to do with anything? What does that have to do with whether or not he was born in the US?

I was most likely rambling because to me, it's not even about if he was or wasn't. It's about keeping with the laws and the constitution, which neither Obama nor Bush cared to do..

This is just the kind of crap that you guys try to muddy the water with. If he was born outside the US, NONE of this other stuff should matter, but it NEVER fails that when a birther thread comes up, people start attacking everything else about his life, based on stupid suspicions, and forget all about the actual issue.

Now your calling me a birther?? Just like the other young lady aren't you. So quick to select everybody into a group and bash them. Your a Nazi too!! Congrats! I'll quit reading the rest of your posts now.


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Originally posted by Raphael
What lies

Originally posted by Raphael
Your so gullible... Obama, Clinton, McCain, etc all realize who calls the shots around here. Obama used to work for the CIA. Obama is a CIA plant just as Hillary Clinton supports the same elite group...I believe Obama may be elligible for president sue to the fact his father was working for the CIA stationed in Kenya.. Otherwise Obama WOULD have been born in the USA. But at the same time his father was not a US citizen so.. The main reason this will never be touched upon is because Obama and CIA don't want you to know they planted him to control the country..

Originally posted by Raphael
Do you see the bottom where it says " -AP"

Sunday standard printed a story run by the associated press..

and questions have you asked?

Originally posted by cindyremains
Where is the AP article from the AP?

Originally posted by cindyremains
Raphael, you have posted a lie. It has been pointed out. I have addressed the question of this lie back to you. You came back with more stupid videos.

You just sit there cross your arms, close your eyes, and say no till your blue in the face.. You're the one who has offered nothing to backup your claims..

You mean like that actual AP story I posted and not the BS edited copy you posted? I guess you missed that?

They were right, you're the queen of personall attacks because YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE OF KNOWLEDGE TO BRING TO THE TABLE!

I have yet to personally attack one person on ATS. Yet another lie. Can you prove anything you say?

Yay more of the same immaturity!!

You noticed you got back exactly what you offered up too then?



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