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Originally posted by Misoir
Until we get money out of politics we will never know a real government, real politicians or a real political climate.
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Originally posted by Ian McLean
There's no viable fourth alternative. Try and introduce one and you'll immediately be challenged with "well what's your stance on illegal immigration?" and "do you think abortion should be legal?". You can't be on the public stage without acknowledging as real the illusory planks from which that stage is built.
Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
theres always been a bigger long term plan,the trick is to get the masses to freely go along with it.
Originally posted by MemoryShock
But there are some social trends that decry 'establishment ingrained' ideals...ideals which are in place for dissociative control and civilly economic perpetuation.
...there is a relevant percentage of people who are over the Gay Marriage debate/Mosque consideration because it/they are non issues...
Communication is key and once illusory dichotomies are identified as exactly that then there is a chance to get out of the "lesser of two evils' mindset opinion...especially when the options being presented societally are being propagated by social research done by our intelligence communities from decades ago.
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Well, 'political war' implies that there are adversaries ...
But the adversarial position is a contrivance, a pretension, a ruse if you will to pit the populace in adversarial position against each other on the basis of marketed ideologies. So it is more of a pretend war but with real casualties.
This of course could be avoided if being ideologically dominant became moot, as in a no party system ... until that happens, and it won't be soonish, most of us will play our little soldier roles fighting a political war that our generals have manufactured to distract us and control us. I wonder if they point and giggle watching us chase our tails while they sip on virgins' blood ... I assume that they do.
Originally posted by Ian McLean
Like what? I don't see any, really. All the 'counterculture trends' I've seen are manufactured pap. Free-thinking idealism seems to exist only on the fringes and academia, and is never taken seriously or accurately represented in the mainstream.
I would disagree with the word 'relevant' there. Relevant to you and me, yes, but not to the inertia of the political machine...
And sadly, political and commercial rhetoric is littering that common ground so badly that conducting any honest political discussion is like wading through a trash-heap.