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Topic started on 2-9-2010 @ 02:45 PM by ModernAcademia

Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe

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Hawking says in his book "The Grand Design" that, given the existence of gravity, "the universe can and will create itself from nothing,"

"Spontaneous creation is the reason why there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist,"

His answer is "M-theory," which, he says, posits 11 space-time dimensions, "vibrating strings, ... point particles, two-dimensional membranes, three-dimensional blobs and other objects that are more difficult to picture and occupy even

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reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 02:45 PM by ModernAcademia

A rabbi responds

But his finding were described by Sacks as an "elementary fallacy" of logic.

"There is a difference between science and religion. Science is about explanation. Religion is about interpretation. The Bible simply isn't interested in how the universe came into being."

"But there is more to wisdom than science. It cannot tell us why we are here or how we should live. Science masquerading as religion is as unseemly as religion masquerading as science."

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This should be interesting because it may spark alot of scientific and philosophical debates, which is a good thing.

I would probably agree with Hawkings though, God is not required to create the universe.

And then the rabbi said the bible doesn't care who created it.
But then why call God the creator then?

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reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 02:52 PM by DaMod

reply to post by ModernAcademia

It's stated so "as a matter of fact" when it's not definitive proof or disproof. That's bad science.

He should take another swing at the information paradox before he tries debunking universe wide unprovable issues.

Science is not opinion and that is exactly what this is!

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reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 02:56 PM by Titen-Sxull

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The point isn't that there is no God, its that the Universe could have created itself without one. The idea is that the creation of the Universe was an inevitable consequence of the natural order of nature. In a broad sense you could term the law and order of nature God.

I agree that it's rather premature to claim one way or the other that there is or isn't a god or gods but Stephen Hawking is entitled to his opinion

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 02:56 PM by ButterCookie

reply to post by ModernAcademia

Star and flag!

I've always, ever since childhood, felt that this theory that a 'God' created the universe..that never really made sense.

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 02:59 PM by The Djin

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"But there is more to wisdom than science. It cannot tell us why we are here or how we should live.

As ever, only the religious are dumb enough to need someone else to tell them how to live.

Needless to say "Banana Man" et al will have to actually read a little or fall back on the good old "It's all a matter of faith" trick

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Those collection plates and tithing accounts will be a little lighter this month no doubt

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:02 PM by Maxmars

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Well, the media has determined it is time to debate the matter.... especially since his new book to this effect hits the store shelves in two weeks.... how else do you get to put it on the "Top seller" list before it's available?

Honestly, how reasoning can lead someone to expect to understand the infinite is beyond me....

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:09 PM by gandhi

I have been pondering this question for a while. Existence existing....how? Spontaneous creation is just as good an answer as god created everything.

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:14 PM by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
The point isn't that there is no God, its that the Universe could have created itself without one.

While that is true, Hawkings still uses the Big Bang Theory in reference as Fact.

It's not fact, it's a theory.
And I doubt it's true either.

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:30 PM by noeyesnoearsnofacenofears

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Spot on! I tend to agree with this.

You put it a lot better than I could though~

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reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:33 PM by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
It's not fact, it's a theory.
And I doubt it's true either.

"A theory" is actually quite a strong designation for something that is falsifiable and has a great deal of empirical evidence in support of it as an explanation. If you call it a "theory", scientifically speaking, it's quite a favorable statement.

If you don't think it's true, find something verifiable that it cannot explain that undermines it's basic tenets.

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:34 PM by metalholic

the universe is the beginning and the end...without we or anyhting else would not be idc how many avanced aliens there are that try to portray themselves as god! the truth is we are all at the whims of the universe

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:34 PM by MR BOB

this is where you lose me"vibrating strings" have never ever believed that, even when i was in high school.

to me string theory is complete bulls***,
im not religious but It is not impossible that there ws a creator of the universe as we know it. there are much much stranger questions in science.

What really was the begginning? what was it before the universe was created.
did everything really come from absolutly nothing? how?

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reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:46 PM by metalholic

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my theory is that instead of one big bang there were multiple big bangs why do i believe this? b/c there are super massive black holes at the center of every galaxy/milky way in the universe a massive explosion had to create these seemingly ageless holes...the universe didnt come from nothing it came from energy passed over or leaked from another universe each universe has a membrane much like a cell sometimes links or worm holes are bridges between 2 cells and energy is exchanged...this would make it possible for the growth and death of universes and also the recycling of energy..as everything is a cycle!

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reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:51 PM by Visitor2012

A good ol' trip to conscience 4th and 5th dimension should reveal the answers you seek.

You people are all thinking in 3rd dimensional terms that is why you will endlessly NEVER understand it.

Wait for a near death experience, rebirth or meditation experience and your mind will evolve beyond the limitations of your brain.

Hawking is a fool

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 03:58 PM by metalholic

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any substantial evidence of this? if not then it will go directly on the theory shelf!

so maybe he is and maybe he isnt!

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 04:00 PM by Skyfloating

Poor shmuck is still trying to figure out the Infinite with a finite mind.

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 04:02 PM by DaMod

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On the contrary. Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe looks a bit more matter of fact than you make it out to be don't you think?

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 04:03 PM by MR BOB

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how exactly is the mind finate?

reply posted on 2-9-2010 @ 04:10 PM by Visitor2012

Originally posted by metalholic
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any substantial evidence of this? if not then it will go directly on the theory shelf!

so maybe he is and maybe he isnt!

That's the beauty, and the joke as well. We can all experience this for ourselves, the proof is within ourselves. No way around it...we will all see it in due time. But the more we hang onto scientific and religious dogma, the deeper the truth gets buried.

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