Did NIST Edit WTC 7 Footage To Hide Evidence Of Implosion? , page 1

After filing a lawsuit that prompted NIST to release more than 3 terabytes of photographs and videos from their investigation into the collapse of the twin towers and WTC 7 on 9/11, the International Center for 9/11 Studies has obtained evidence that suggests NIST edited several videos of the collapse of Building 7 in order to hide evidence of a controlled implosion. Fresh food that lasts from eFoods Direct (Ad) The Center filed a FOIA Request with NIST on January 26, 2009, seeking production of “all of the photographs and videos collected, reviewed, cited or in any other way used by NIST during its investigation of the World Trade Center building collapses.” Following several unsuccessful attempts to get NIST to even acknowledge receipt of the Request, the Center was forced to file a lawsuit on May 28, 2009. Shortly after the lawsuit was filed, the Request was assigned a reference number, and NIST began periodically releasing batches of responsive records. The Center has now begun posting some of those images and videos online, the first batch of which is from an external hard disk drive “NIST WTC Investigation Cumulus Video Clips.” In one of the clips, the video of which has been in the public domain for years, a loud, low-frequency boom can be heard just before the east penthouse of WTC 7 falls. Once the support columns that held up the penthouse are taken out, the rest of the building falls almost within its own footprint.

Just more to add to the never ending fire
cant wait to see more of this
what do you guys think
How do you Debunkers feel?

Link

www.infowars.com...

reply to post by blankduck18

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Why would the penthouse be taken down first? And why could Mr. Hess not get out of an undamaged building? Also I've watched programs on building implosions and there seems to be alot of work involved with setting it up. Not one person witnessed the crews of the demolition teams rigging the buildings with explosives! Come on now.

reply to post by type0civ

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Well there were reports that that the debris from the Tower impacted the WTC7. Now I am not sure as to whether that video was taken after the first or second collapse. Mr. Hess could have been blocked by fire, damaged areas, hell even pitch black hallways and stairways for all we know.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
The supposedly "new" information is anything but new. The NIST report says that there had been an internal partial collapse of the structure, followed by complete collapse. We know this is the case [becuase] all the footage shows the Penthouse falling into the interior of the [structire] a few seconds before the collapse. [Thsi] is almost [ceretainly] the BOOM you're referring to.

Very convenient way to try to explain away a classic demolition implosion.

Unfortunately for you it also explains exactly how a controlled implosion works. The central columns drop first to allow a space for the outer walls to fall into.
Unfortunately for you this is impossible from an uncontrolled collapse. How does damage to one side cause the center of the building to fall perfectly timed before the outer walls, to allow them to fall ON TOP of the debris pile?

I have posted this link a few times now and you have yet to address it...

science.howstuffworks.com...

The gif., halfway down the page, explains exactly what happened to WTC 7. You can pretend that happened naturally if you wish, but anyone with a brain can see the obvious.

It doesn't matter how it fell, if it leaned to the west or not, or how long it took to collapse...



Outer walls sitting on top of the debris pile is impossible from a natural collapse. For the WTC 7 outer walls to be where they are the collapse had to be controlled, as per the link and gif above.

So Dave do you realise yet what a waste of time your long winded replies are? And no I did not get that from any 'damned fool conspiracy websites', thank you very much.

BTW you getting tired Dave? Your typing is getting extremely sloppy lately.

reply to post by VirginiaRisesYetAgain

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really? It exploded out into the street? Where does he say that?

"I saw, you know, there was definately fire in the building, you know, but ... um, I didn't hear any, and you know maybe this is movie crap, i didn't hear any creaking or i didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down, and all of a sudden the radios exploded and everybody started screaming, "Get away. Get away. Get away from it." and I was like a dear in the headlights. And I look up. "

It was that moment, you know, "Get away", and I looked up... and... it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. And all the things started peeling in on itself and... I mean, there was an umbrella of crap seven feet over my head that I just stared at. Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running and the [explitive]'s hitting the ground behind me and the whole time your hearing "thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom." So. I think I know an explosion when I hear it."

Ok, so let me see, He is standing right next to WTC7. And now according to his words, what gets his attention to look up? Was it a loud, KABOOM!!!! Boom booom boom boom!!!!!! going off prior to collapse? Or was it, "radio explodes with, 'Get away get away!!'" and what does he describe then? He looks up and see an umbrella of crap seven feet over his head (my my was it really seven feet over his head? A little indulgence, but understandable as its not every day you have a building coming down over you.) So he runs like hell. Debris lands behind him, he just makes it. Wait wait, what about the bolded part??

I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down.

So, first there is no indication of it collapsing, he doesnt hear the creaking, then as he is standing next to it, the radios scream, get away! And THAT is when he looks up to see the building already collapsing on him? Excuse me, but this contradicts the demo charges BS right there!!!

Ok, now review his words, and lets get down to good ol fashioned reading comprehension and critical thinking shall we? I'm sure we have all done this at one time or another at school with standardized testing.

According to his own words, what makes him "look up"?

(take your time, answer is below)




Now, had there been "demo charges" exploding in the WTC7 prior to collapse (as that is how an explosive controlled demolition works) why dont these grab his attention first, as he is standing RIGHT NEXT TO THE DARN THING????? Someone please explain how explosives can go off right next to a person in a building, and no one notices a thing, until someone screams, "GET AWAY!!" and THEN they look up and see the building's insides falling down and over?? I mean these must have been some super special silent explosives!

Now what else, oh! he says he hears "thoom thoom thoom" the whole time as the [expletive deleted] is hitting the ground. well gee, I'm pretty sure that will sound like explosions when you have debris and a 47 floor building collapsing all around you. Strange how he never mentions any detonations, or series of detonations prior to collapse.


[edit to add:]
My my my, the puppets.......... er I mean, cheerleaders are out in force for you today. Amazing all those stars, so little time!

[edit on 9/2/2010 by GenRadek]

Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by VirginiaRisesYetAgain

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really? It exploded out into the street? Where does he say that?

Really? I said "exploded out into the street"? Where did I say that?



I'm not going to play the ego games you thrive on "Gen."

Here is the complete interview for everyone to watch for themselves:








There. No need to argue about it now. The man says what he means best himself and if you want to argue with that then go find another troll to have pointless bickering contests with.

I encourage everyone to watch the interview above and see what a real witness (not a nameless crowd) is describing as to what he personally experienced.

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My my my, the puppets.......... er I mean, cheerleaders are out in force for you today. Amazing all those stars, so little time!

It tends to happen when a thread makes it to the ATS home page.

A puppet requires strings. What am I attached to? Steven Jones? Richard Gage? The thousands of other engineers and scientists?

I came to these conclusions myself and to no one else do I trust my judgment. That's the real difference between me and you. YOU are the puppet, of the federal government and everyone it pays off to lie to you. You never put a single skeptic thought to the "official story" and you continue to refuse to, to this day. Your whole outlook on whose responsibility it was to investigate that attack in the first place has been hopelessly warped by real snake-oils salesmen, the kind that the government pays.

reply to post by type0civ

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Originally posted by type0civ
Not one person witnessed the crews of the demolition teams rigging the buildings with explosives! Come on now.

Come on now... After almost 9 years of debate of a 9/11 conspiracy, you never read about the theory that explosives could have been set BEFORE 9/11?

Either you live under a rock, or you purposely tried to make a half baked argument for reasons unknown.

You really have never heard about the stories of construction going on in the WTC's BEFORE 9/11, making people curious about the theory that explosives were set in place BEFORE 9/11, making people wonder about foreknowledge of 9/11?

I find it really hard to believe that you never heard of these theories and stories.


[edit on 2-9-2010 by Unst0ppable0ne]

reply to post by VirginiaRisesYetAgain

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Thanks for posting that interview I actually have never seen that one.

Ive come to the conclusion that regarding 9-11 there is really no convincing to be done. Those who need to be convinced will NOT be convinced, hell they wont even entertain the theories long enough to see them completely through.

The time for convincing people of the reality of 9-11 is probably obsolete at this point. I have had these discussions with about every person I can get a hold of and in the end most are too mentally lazy to even think about the implications. They just nod and say "ya" ..."who knows" or some other mindless drivel.

You could point out any of the numerous anomalies or contradictions in the OS to them and their next statement will STILL be built on the foundation that terrorists did 9-11. It's beyond infuriating.

S&F though for the honest effort.

reply to post by VirginiaRisesYetAgain

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I apologize, as I was quickly reading through and it looked like that, but here was your quote:

the entire lobby ripped out in a massive explosion

Again, maybe you can give me the direct transcript of this? Because what I posted is exactly was I find everytime from this poor soul.

but once again, nice dodge at my initial questions. Will you or any of your pupp... erm I mean, cheerleader star posters, answer my challenge. Why does Craig only look up at the building, while standing next to it, after the radio crackles with "get away!"? Wouldnt the sound of the demo charges going off be heard first BEFORE the collapse begins? Answer me that and then continue, because this is an important question. Will you adress this conundrum or ignore it away because it does not jive with your preconcieved notions?

I mean come now, he would forget to mention hearing a loud series of explosions before he looks up to see the building already crumbling? I know you are smarter than this. use some common sense here. he contradicts himself right off the bat.

Yup. I hear the boom right before the collapse of the penthouse. You can too if you turn the audio up a bit.



And that's the best resolution yet I have seen of that clip. Look at the way the penthouse at the top goes first, and then the rest of the building comes down after it. A symmetrical collapse just simply does not make sense here if that building went down by fire. That building was demolished. Game over.

And oh yeah. Flags people, let's go. To the top of ATS this thread goes please.

[edit on Thu Sep 2nd 2010 by TrueAmerican]

reply to post by type0civ

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Hess and Jennings were trapped when North Tower came down and damaged stairways inside of building. FDNY members searching building
for people found them and escorted them from WTC 7.

Much of lower south side was heavily damaged including 2 elevator cars
dislodged from their shafts on 8/9 floors

Damage extended to the west face

After WTC 1 collapsed:

Heavy debris on Vesey Street and WTC 7 Promenade

No heavy debris observed in lobby area, white dust coating

SW Corner Damage -- floors 8 to 18

South face damage between two exterior columns - roof level down 5 to 10 floors, extent not known

South Face Damage

middle 1/4 - 1/3 width south face, 10th floor to ground

large debris hole near center around 14th floor

1/4 width south face, above 5th floor, atrium glass intact
8th/9th floor from inside, visible south wall gone with more damage to west, 2 elevator cars dislodged into elevator lobby

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