How do you steer a hurricane? CHEMTRAILS!

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

ahhhhhh Maybe

our first lil spat

Does that mean I have to sleep
in the doghouse tonight???

hahahahaha

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
As I metioned before, the prevailing winds travel form west to east. You mentuioned that the contrails were moving from west to east,

No, I did not say that I said

SSW to NNE

which means the chemtrails were almost
south to north as 2 S's means more south
than west. Read the OP again please

reply to post by boondock-saint


And as I said before, the prevailing winds travel from a westerly direction, regardless of wether its SSW, SW, WSW, W, NW, WNW NNW

I did read properly

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by Slippery Jim
My thoughts? I think you are seeing contrails of aircraft diverting around a hurricane rather than flying through it.

I don't believe for one minute you or any other 'chemtrail' proponents will pay any attention to a logical reason though.

well I'm gonna have to point out the obvious here.
Where did these jets come from that you speak of?
the only airport SSE of me is Myrtle Beach Int.
And they are a small airport and don't have that many
flights out of there.

Now another point,
all of these chemtrails are going the same direction,
SSW to NNE. Is there not any planes going TO
Myrtle Beach ??? In the opposite direction?
Nope !!!! That kinda blows a hole in your
theory when it's not a 2-way jet corridor
around a hurricane.

Looking at a 767 doesn't make you an airline pilot. If you are NNW of Myrtle Beach Intnl (KMYR), then other airports SSE of you and far enough away for the aircraft to climb to altitudes where contrails form are, let's see, Savanah, Jacksonville, St Augustine, Melbourne, Ft Lauderdale Intnl and Executive and Hollywood and West Palm and Miami and Tamiami and Homestead, and myriad General Aviation airports. AND, if you had a clue about ARTCC preferred routes to and from south Florida, you might realize that aircraft from Tampa, St Pete, Clearwater, Ft. Myers, Key West, Naples, etc also oftentransition over that area.
As far as flights going the other way, that's like saying "I don't see any cars going South in the eastmost lanes of I-95 so they all must be going only one way. Take a look for a while at the radar display for KMYR on Flightaware (flightaware.com...) and you will see that there is a lateral separation in the preferred routes going North and South. For example, a Southbound LGA to MIA flight above 35,000 feet will generally use J209, a jet airway, while a Northbound flight will probably be assigned to J40. That is from memory but I do that flight pretty well weekly. To confirm, look at the database at www.fly.faa.gov...

reply to post by boondock-saint
i think you might have something there, if you could cold down the air and the water temp, by reducing sun's rays that heat the air,and raises the water temp, then yes you could "steer"( in theory) a storm front or, in this case, a hurricane. a hurricane needs warm air and water for energy, take that away... well then???



[edit on 2-9-2010 by bekod]

reply to post by Human_Alien

thank you for posting that valuable information
about how scientist are trying to steer
hurricanes. Here's ya an excerpt which shows
they do intend to drop something from
the plane per ur link

Moshe Alamaro, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology
(MIT), told The Sunday Telegraph of his plans to "paint" the tops of
hurricanes black by scattering carbon particles – either soot or black
particles from the manufacture of tyres – from aircraft flying above
the storms. The particles would absorb heat from the sun, leading to
changes in the airflows within the storm. Satellites could also heat
the cloud tops by beaming microwaves from space.

"If they're done in the right place at the right time they can affect
the strength of the hurricane," Mr Alamaro said.

kinda gives new meaning to the word
chemtrail now doesn't it?

reply to post by boondock-saint


I would say the idea wouldnt work as well as the models suggest. You need to dry out the atmosphere for a start. Releasing the particulates would simply increase the ice content in the upper troposphere, much like the dust from contrails accrues ice. Plus, the sheer amount of particulate needed would be unplausible. It would require thousands of tonnes of the stuff and you would need countless numbers of aircraft able to fly at high altitude

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I would say the idea wouldnt work as well as the models suggest.

well this theory is coming from MIT.
Do you have more credentials than MIT
to make that judgment call?
Remember, you called me out on my
qualifications, turn about is fair play

another fact that I have noticed which gives
credence to this theory being used on Earl.
Earl has been downgraded from Cat 4 to Cat 3
several times over the past 24-36 hrs
yet it hasn't changed into the cooler
water temperatures yet. Wouldn't
that be an indicator of some sort
of interdiction?

reply to post by boondock-saint


No, Im not saying that I am smarter or more qualified than the guys at MIT, Im just saying that there are so many factors that would have to be taken into account for their idea to work. You know how large an area hurricanes take up, and they can be anywhere from 40,000ft to 80,000ft deep. Now try and grasp the sheer quantity of the particulates needed to achieve their goal.

I noticed the article says 2007, which would have given them plenty of time to attempt their experiment in real life. Guess they dont have enough resources to fulfill it

reply to post by OzWeatherman


OzWeatherman.....

Now try and grasp the sheer quantity of the particulates needed to achieve their goal.

Yeah but.....

Haven't you seen all the chemtrails on ATS?

That would be enough to do it.

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by boondock-saint


Actually, as the hurricane forecast centre reports, and what I suspected, the top of the hurricane is being sheared by that high pressure system in the area, meaning its gradually losing its structure. Its also nearing cold water as it moves gradually north

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
That would mean that Katrina could of been prevented?

no, not prevented
just diverted to another location
as once it gets in the gulf it had to
make landfall somewhere.

Sorry sir, to take offense of you just blowing off New Orleans.

So you are saying that, based on your "theory" they could not have diverted the eye further west into the middle of Louisiana instead of right in the middle of downtown NOLA???
MIT hasn't been doing enough testing, huh?

Try,try again...
Tom

reply to post by tomdham

I think u misunderstood my post

he asked if KATRINA could have been prevented,
not Katrina prevented from hitting NO.
These are 2 different things.

I was responding to the aspect of totally
preventing the hurricane and the answer
is still No IMO.

This was another factor which is touched on
in that BBC article. If you can steer a hurricane
and steer it away from one city and it hits
another city, isn't the entity doing the steering
liable for the damages to the 2nd city that
was hit? How does one determine which city
or coastline gets wiped out and which is
spared? Isn't that playing God .... TWICE?
Once for manipulating the hurricane initially,
twice for diverting it to a destination




[edit on 2-9-2010 by boondock-saint]

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I would say the idea wouldnt work as well as the models suggest.

well this theory is coming from MIT.
Do you have more credentials than MIT
to make that judgment call?
Remember, you called me out on my
qualifications, turn about is fair play

No, the theory is not coming from MIT. It is coming from Moshe Alamaro, a grad student who does some research there in the Health Sciences Department. Not Physics, Fluid Dynamics, Meteorology or other relevant field.
Now, let's do a little math and see about using carbon to paint a hurricane. Earl has an average radius of 200 miles. That means it covers 125,600 square miles. Time to go metric here. That's 325,302,506,658 square meters or about a third of a trillion (with a t) square meters. Let's say you want to paint with pure carbon black to a thickness of 3 mm. That means you need right at a billion cubic meters of carbon black, if you assume perfect efficiency. The density of pure carbon is right at 2 grams/cubic centimeter so in a cubic meter you have 100*100*100*2 grams, or 2 million grams. That's 4,409 pounds per cubic meter, and you need a billion cubic meters, so you need 4 and one half trillion pounds of carbon. The 747-8 Freighter I fly when they get really hard up for typed pilots has a max payload with full fuel of just under 150,000 pounds. So you need 30 million Boeing 747s to do the job. Trouble is, Boeing only made 109 of them, as of last June. I don't think Moishe has really thought this through.
And no, my PhD is not from MIT. It's from the University of Chicago where the first nuclear reactor was constructed. Under the squash court, by the way. And the home of Fermilab and Argonne Nat'l Lab.

reply to post by 4nsicphd

sorry I don't mean to pander here

but your theory presented is based entirely
on the assumption that you would need to
cover the entire hurricane with the matter.
The theory doesn't state how much substance
matter would be needed to affect the hurricane.
So all your calculations are useless.

A tire doesn't require all 100% of it's surface
touching the road to make it stop.





[edit on 2-9-2010 by boondock-saint]

Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by 4nsicphd

 

sorry I don't mean to pander here

but your theory presented is based entirely
on the assumption that you would need to
cover the entire hurricane with the matter.
The theory doesn't state how much substance
matter would be needed to affect the hurricane.
So all your calculations are useless.

A tire doesn't require all 100% of it's surface
touching the road to make it stop.





[edit on 2-9-2010 by boondock-saint]

OK, maybe Moshe only needs to paint half of it. That still requires orders of magnitude more aircraft than have ever been made.
Now you tell me exactly how much, and what part, of he hurricane needs painting.

Originally posted by 4nsicphd
OK, maybe Moshe only needs to paint half of it. That still requires orders of magnitude more aircraft than have ever been made.
Now you tell me exactly how much, and what part, of he hurricane needs painting.

bro, we just don't know at this point
how much needs painting to make a directional
shift or slow it down. The article was not that
in depth. But it was from 2007 so I'm ASSUMING
he has worked on this theory since the article
was published. Who knows, maybe even for
the US Military???

But the theory would give credence to the
proximity of a hurricane and chemtrails.


[edit on 2-9-2010 by boondock-saint]

Keep in mind, this is only what they're sharing with us. Let's assume they have technology way beyond this still under lock and key (and silence).

So those who say 'hurricanes/weather can't be controlled'....I suggest you reconsider your stance. This includes but not limited to chemtrails. I'm just sayin'......




Bill Gates Plans to Tackle Hurricane Control





Bill Gates and several other researchers filed five patents related to hurricane control


Best known as the former chairman of Microsoft, billionaire Bill Gates now has reportedly filed several patents aiming to help one day be able to stop hurricanes that plague the Gulf of Mexico each year.

"Theodp," a well-known patent watcher, discovered the patent and then passed on the news to TechFlash. In the patent filings, Gates and several other inventors plan to use large fleets of vessels to mix warm Gulf of Mexico surface water with colder water under the surface.
www.dailytech.com...

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by 4nsicphd
OK, maybe Moshe only needs to paint half of it. That still requires orders of magnitude more aircraft than have ever been made.
Now you tell me exactly how much, and what part, of he hurricane needs painting.

bro, we just don't know at this point
how much needs painting to make a directional
shift or slow it down. The article was not that
in depth. But it was from 2007 so I'm ASSUMING
he has worked on this theory since the article
was published. Who knows, maybe even for
the US Military???

No, actually he dropped the whole idea and went to work on the problem of disposing of unwanted prescription medicines, a problem he was working on before deciding to talk about trying to paint hurricanes. alamaro.home.comcast.net...