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posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Arizona Now Has 'Whopping 30' National Guard Troops and 15 Billboard Signs Warning Citizens About Drug Cartels Operating on Public Lands


www.cnsnews.com

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu said requests by Arizona law enforcement personnel and Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) for 3,000 National Guard troops along the state’s border with Mexico have been answered so far with 1 percent of that number deployed there this week.
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posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Wow! 30 troops! I bet the cartels with tens of thousands of members will be scared now....

Seriously, I hope more will be sent... the place is getting dangerous.


But the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has placed 15 signs along a 60-mile stretch of Interstate 8 that links San Diego with Phoenix and Tucson warning travelers of drug cartels and human trafficking operations.

Yeah spend money on signs instead of actually doing something real for security... just like the stimulus... spend money on billboards... but eh, let's forget about real investments.


The Obama administration has said it will deploy National Guard troops to the southern border incrementally to eventually have 1,500 troops in place. In addition, $600 million in “emergency border protection funding” was approved in legislation the president signed into law in August.

Yeah how long before they get there and the money put to good use? A year? Never?

www.cnsnews.com
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posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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Yup...Senator McCain fought hard with that pitbull attitude for them 30 guards. You go Senator! Go to HELL!



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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It's an in your face insult to Arizona. At least they have Gov. Brewer standing up for Arizona.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 12:07 AM
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Is this just ridiculous or what? I mean someone is not doing their job, and
hasn't been doing their job for YEARS! It makes you think that these someones
(in government) must be making money on the deal. I mean, common sense
would dictate that it would be in the best interest of the Federal Government
to protect the Tax Paying Citizens of The United States of America. Maybe
there should be an investigation into this. Maybe the people should start asking
some serious questions. Who is getting paid to do nothing about the situation,
and who is paying for this ineptitude. Really makes you wonder.

Sounds like they need some Teddy Roosevelt Rough Riders down there on the
border.Either that or some serious consideration about ending the current
prohibition. It certainly reduced the the Al Capone style violence in Chicago
now didn't it. Furthermore, all those tax stamp revenues could really prove to
be handy right about now.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 01:17 AM
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1% of them. not lets get the other 99.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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those 30 better be chuck norris clones......

that's pathetic that this nations GOV had snubbed a states call for help. 1 finger salute to them for that move.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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Obama must be doing a great job. The number of illegals entering the country has dropped considerably. I don't understand why people keep saying that the government hasn't done anything. They have cut it amazingly. Of course Fox News and the republicans won't admit what a good job Obama has done, of course not so you can believe the facts or you can believe Fox News, it's up to you.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by damwel
Obama must be doing a great job. The number of illegals entering the country has dropped considerably.


Source please for this information - if you can find a reputable one not based in mexico.

The only possible reason that obama can claim for a drop in illegals coming here - if it exists - is the the terrible economy.

One other possible reason, would be laws like AZ's being passed. But we all know obama can't claim that one.




posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Unless things have changed recently, the National Guard, despite its name, is under the authority of each state's Governor, so if there is no deployment forthcoming, go talk to the Gov, not the Prez.

Whenever there's a flood or something around here, John Hoeven (ND Governor) is the one who's calling up the National Guard.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by adjensen
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Unless things have changed recently, the National Guard, despite its name, is under the authority of each state's Governor, so if there is no deployment forthcoming, go talk to the Gov, not the Prez.


Instead, go do some more research on how this works.

The National Guard can and has often been "federalized". How do you think all those National Guard soldiers ended up serving in iraq and afghanistan? You do know that thousands have served there, right?

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A little-noticed change in federal law packs an important change in who is in charge the next time a state is devastated by a disaster such as Hurricane Katrina.

To the dismay of the nation’s governors, the White House now will be empowered to go over a governor’s head and call up National Guard troops to aid a state in time of natural disasters or other public emergencies. Up to now, governors were the sole commanders in chief of citizen soldiers in local Guard units during emergencies within the state.

A conflict over who should control Guard units arose in the days after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. President Bush sought to federalize control of Guardsmen in Louisiana in the chaos after the hurricane, but Gov. Kathleen Blanco (D) refused to relinquish command.


Side note. Looks like another reason NOT to blame Bush for Katrina ...


[edit on 9/2/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:00 AM
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Sources:

Illegal Immigration has declined by 2/3rds from the levels seen in 2000-2005

Illegal Immigration Has Declined: Why? - The Atlantic Wire


Annual inflow between 2007 and 2009 was roughly two-thirds less than between 2000 and 2005, report Pew authors Jeffrey Passel and D'Vera Cohn. Furthermore, "the most marked decline in the population of unauthorized immigrants has been among those who come from Latin American countries other than Mexico."

This might not be what one would expect, given the current political tension over illegal immigration, say, in Arizona.


The Atlantic Wire:


More Evidence This Immigration Debate Is Bizarre This report is "yet another piece of information which seemingly debunks" the idea that we're in an "immigration 'crisis,'" thinks Doug Mataconis. "Before we start engaging in a wholesale immigration debate, it would be nice to get the facts right."


The Washington Post:

Number of illegal immigrants in U.S. drops, report says


In the first half of the decade, an average of 850,000 people a year entered the United States without authorization, according to the report, released Wednesday. As the economy plunged into recession between 2007 and 2009, that number fell to 300,000.


The big problem with current GOP strategists and the "illegal immigration crisis" they've been screaming about is that they are pushing all of the blame onto Obama, without acknowledging the fact that illegal immigration has been LOWER under Obama than the previous administrations.

Just another example of passing the buck without working on a solution.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:04 AM
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lol McCain asked for 3 grand and Obama gave him some change.
But seriously they both suck as do our porous borders.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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The National Guard can and has often been "federalized". How do you think all those National Guard soldiers ended up serving in iraq and afghanistan? You do know that thousands have served there, right?


But you know the National Guard can also be called out by the Governor, as often is done to quell rioting or in emergencies. Classic example when Governor Rhodes called in the Ohio National Guard to stop the student unrest at Kent State University. In declared "national disaster" areas the Fed. Gov. will pick up the tab, but the Guard is still under the control of the state's Governor.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer

The big problem with current GOP strategists and the "illegal immigration crisis" they've been screaming about is that they are pushing all of the blame onto Obama, without acknowledging the fact that illegal immigration has been LOWER under Obama than the previous administrations.

Just another example of passing the buck without working on a solution.


Past administrations have also looked the other way, but you are seriously trying to give obama credit for the lower numbers??? Like I said, obama can only claim "credit" if his screwing up the economy turns out to be a factor.

You do remember that the obama administration sued AZ ...

You do remember that obama has recently refused to meet with the Texas governor regarding illegal immigration ...

Dump the kool-aid and switch to snapple, or just plain water until your head clears.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
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The National Guard can and has often been "federalized". How do you think all those National Guard soldiers ended up serving in iraq and afghanistan? You do know that thousands have served there, right?


But you know the National Guard can also be called out by the Governor, as often is done to quell rioting or in emergencies. Classic example when Governor Rhodes called in the Ohio National Guard to stop the student unrest at Kent State University. In declared "national disaster" areas the Fed. Gov. will pick up the tab, but the Guard is still under the control of the state's Governor.


Here's some more research for you from a very reputable site on military issues. Please note that it says the AZ national guard only has 4,000 members total. The AZ governor has said that they need 8,000 on the border in AZ alone. Plus, if some of the AZ guard is already deployed to the middle east.

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The Arizona Army National Guard is comprised of nearly 4,000 men and women who are dedicated to protecting and defending the interests of our communities, our state and our nation. During FY99, the AZARNG pursued continuous quality improvement and was recognized in the Army Community of Excellence Program.

The AZARNG served in every major conflict and deployed to worldwide contingency operations in FY99. Both the Tucson-based 852nd Rear Area Operations Center and the Phoenix-based 416th Air Traffic Service Company deployed to the Balkan region in response to ongoing operations. The 416th was deployed to Bosnia and the 852nd deployed to Macedonia.


You should now understand why just the AZ governor calling up the AZ guard is NOT the answer.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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Not that I disagree with ya'll, but if violence actually peaks on the U.S. side we need a few ah64's or ah1zulus with a few platoons with boots on the ground. Problem is, the military is a horrible police force. They are an instrument of war and train in such a manner. Distinguishing civilians from cartel members and limiting collateral damage is secondary to destroying a target or reaching an objective, as it is the only truly affective method of waging war. To stick armed soldiers or marines in the area would indeed pose a risk to United States and Mexican citizens, if these troops were given a green light to engage hostiles.

If you are going for intimidation then sure, a few thousand well armed soldiers or marines with full tactical support should scare anyone in their right mind. However, with cartels knowing that we will not engage past our own border, they will continue to operate.

Arizona needs to borrow law enforcement personnel from around the state, specifically patrol officers and special response units (SWAT, HRT, etc). These personnel should operate in hot spots around the border and aid as able. Border patrol should have all staff on overtime and request additional personnel as well. Unless we are talking a full-scale cooperative assault on drug cartels with the go-ahead from Mexico (far from likely), the military is not the best option.

On a wishful side-note, I would enjoy seeing our CIA/Army Special Operations forces getting involved in Mexico (with Mexico's permission of course). Look what happened in columbia with Escobar. Most everyone in the SF/LE community would put money on the fact our own special operations operators trained and operated los pepes, or at least aided. If you are unfamiliar with Escobar or los pepes (people persecuted by pablo escobar), I recommend you check it out. It is a horrible and violent way to go about business, but it ended up with Escobar executed on a roof top.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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You asked for sources and I provided them for you. You made a statement implying that the National Guard were under Federal control and I corrected you to the effect that the NG were under the Governor's control first and foremost.

And nowhere did I state Obama should be given credit for the lower immigration numbers, only the FACT that they ARE lower now, which would undermine the current right-wing media frenzy that it's HIGHER.

The problems been brewing for 20 years, and maybe the federal response would have been better if we weren't mired in TWO wars and deep recession - courtesy of you know who.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Shark VA84

Arizona needs to borrow law enforcement personnel from around the state, specifically patrol officers and special response units (SWAT, HRT, etc). These personnel should operate in hot spots around the border and aid as able. Border patrol should have all staff on overtime and request additional personnel as well. Unless we are talking a full-scale cooperative assault on drug cartels with the go-ahead from Mexico (far from likely), the military is not the best option.



You do realize - once across the border - the prime directive is to get as far away from the border as possible.

Phoenix has a huge problem with Safe Houses. Ya really don't want to move everyone to the border.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Here's the correct number of AZ National Guard personnel


Currently, there are nearly 8,000 men and women serving in the Arizona Army Guard


en.wikipedia.org...


The National Guard can and has often been "federalized". How do you think all those National Guard soldiers ended up serving in iraq and afghanistan? You do know that thousands have served there, right?


I don't know where you get this term "federalized" - they're not cowpokes on the trail being deputized for a posse - Guard units are part of the army, and can be called out at any time by the Governor if needed.



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