Originally posted by moltquedelo
I was reading in "diagonal" posts in this thread and saw your posts and there is something blatant that disturbe me with them as it seemeed to me (sorry if im wrong about that feeling/observation) that never you mention the fact that Jesus was a JEW, that the people he was in relation/friendsip/conflict/etc most of the time were JEWS. No matter if Jesus was part of a reformist or marginal side of the jewish people/religion (or whatsoever jewish sect) when talking about him "historicaly" at least, I think it hard to omit totaly the fact he was a jew among others jews in a jewish country during his living.

edit on 14-1-2011 by moltquedelo because: (no reason given)

Yes you are certainly correct. When that term Jew is used it means really those of the synagogue or the sect of the Pharisees like ultra jews or something. I have often wondered why they didnt use a clearer term. This word use, as you may know, has lead some to even believe that Jesus wasnt a Jew! But this is just poor study. Maybe this word use should be pointed out when used in public.

What makes me confused is the fact to see that so many are commenting on this site concerning the occult and have absolutely no idea about what the occult is.

First, the Bible is written in allegories and trivial cycles. There are at least 4 codes employed in all texts. The same story is repeated in all gospels and evangiles and only the names differ. This has for object to hide numeric values in that names and thus open different mathematical fields in geometry, trigonometry, astronomy and astrology.

The Torah is the beginning, the apocalypse is the end. The Alpha and the Omega in some way. In the Hebrew letters, the first and the last are the same, Aleph or A, it is the Nothing out of which all becomes and when it has become and is, then the spot where it became becomes A again. Aleph is the symbol of Air, and Air is Nothing.

John Baptist is in Greek IANIS, and this is a mirror of SINAI. So, obviously, the mount Sinai and John are the same place or same object. Now, genesis is creation or better said cosmogenesis, in our language, Procreation.

Follow the way from nothing, shake that nothing to create something and plant the something on the mount Sinai, The first letter of the 22, the small arcane in hebrew Alphabet, is A the last is T, the cross. Then, there are 6 finals, and the last of that 6 is A. So, 22 stations from the Nothingness, the Ayin, to the Crucifixion of the Christ and 6 days that follow it. Together there are 28 letters, one moon-cycle. The moon in hebrew or Arabic is SIN. Note that you find that moon-cycle in the Bible in the battle of Jericho, 4-7-10-7 or 777-4+3 in uterusian slang. The 3 is the moment where God says, there will be light. then the black sun, the moon, will light for 3 days in FULL. So, Jericho is again the same place, same as Holly Land, Goliath, Ararat, Troy, Sparta, cavern of Alibaba, and some others in mythologies and scriptures. (note the AL or EL and Ba Ba, a permutation of ABBA in Alibaba. BA is the house of the father and AB is the father of the house, together they are the father of creation)

Note that the Christ and Jesus are 2 different things, Jesus id the emitter, the source of the Christ, X-Tos. He takes crucifixion in charge first, the Christ 9 days later, if all goes the way it should, for sure. The first day after resurrction he is X-Y, after day 9 he is X-Y, XY, YX. 2 become 4 in the shape of a 4 leaf clover, symbol of luck.

If you play with eggs at Easter, the Christ, after resurrection and crucifixion, will start his 33 years of life at Pentecost, 50 days later. In 33 weeks he will finish his job, that are his 33 years of life, the 33 path of the tree of life of Kabbalah and the 33 degrees in free-masonry. The last 4 weeks he rests. So, from Easter to Christmas where the Christ gets finally reborn there are exactly 9 month. And the one who puts him in the water is the one where he was created, John Baptist.

Maybe I told to much, but figure it out yourself. I hope that none of you is that stupid. If not, study your own anatomy, you will find out you have 33 vertebrae and it needs 1 week to build each of them.

This is a topic I'm chomping at the bit to talk about...but at least to my own understanding think I should not comment tooo much on as much of it is what I would considered to be covered on things not to be discussed with non masons.....it's not that there is any super squirrel secret, much of it has already been stated, and can easily be researched....I just would rather error on the side of saying too little than too much, and the symbolism about the Saints John is one of those topics I will not discuss for that reason...

The Saints John are of course KEY to masonry....Two Johns....not just one...

Also as to red hair, supposedly the tribes of Judah, and Dan both had red hair as a prominant feature.

Outside of Masonic symbolism and allegory....I can say John the Baptiste is interesting for many reasons. For instance many beleive he was the leader among the essenes....which provides yet another link to Pythagoras and the Pythagorians possibly......in any case....yes he is important, but no more so then John the Evangelist.

Along these lines I think Rev. Jeffrey Bütz has written a most interesting book..."The Secret Legacy of Jesus"...one that while it may not be all correct, has an excellent section that among other things discusses why John is important, but so is James....really understanding just who Jesus's family was is very helpful, as the family of jesus is very much misunderstood.....and one only needs to read as far as Matthew's beginning to understand why. People overlook 1-17 but that this was kept up with by his family during Roman occupation is the first clue......it was so important to the author of Matthew they lead with it......

...If you "like" this topic.......I recommend "The Secret Legacy of Jesus, and the teachings of The Judaic Teachings That Passed from James the Just to the Founding Fathers" The author makes some great leaps before the end, so I'm not saying the book is fully true, but much of what is written about jesus's family in the first section is very important to making sense of it all. Just take him with a grain or salt. Also in regards to John the Baptist......I also recommend you read "Pythagoras: His Life and Teachings" by Thomas Stanley, James Wasserman, J. Daniel Gunther and Manly P. Hall" a 1600's classic updated to the modern tongue... and may just be key in understanding John, the Essenes,

As to the meaning of the Saints John to masonic work and ritual.....it can not be overstated. But I personally feel is not a topic masons should discuss, but that may be only my understanding. However all that one would want to know is available online provided you have a filter of common sense, rationalism, and logic. to

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