John's Brother - John the Baptist - Freemasons, Templars & Leonardo DaVinci

page: 6
18
<< 3  4  5    7 >>

log in

join

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:21 AM
link   

Originally posted by ShadowScholar
reply to post by BeastMaster2012
 


Anyone here ever read the bible and gotten the feeling pieces were missing, like there was a whitewash? Most know about the Council of Nicaea where the final books were decided upon, what was left out?

Most people don't know, but that's not to say the word cannot be found again


Yes. The whitewash or withholding as I like to call it looks to have happened very early. There is a story in scripture about some early christains running into preachers of John, former followers of same, out on the frountier as it were. It is said that they spent some time teaching these preachers of John the things that had happened with Christ that they apparently were unaware of. As some of Johns followers had taken up with Jesus their was certainly not a great gulf there.

But on your point I have always wondered what it was that Johns followers were teaching as they moved out of country. Nothing is said in the NT about this doctrine that I can find anyway. They must have been out warning to make the way strait, repent, ect the same message of John. It is interesting that Andrew once a follower of John, then of Christ, went out after Christ had risen, to Herods area and suffered the fate of his first master.

Also the NT says the first church outside of the country was established in Babylon yet little is said or known about this.




posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 10:45 PM
link   
reply to post by Logarock
 


The whitewash happened very early and was very thorough. Very few people have ever really looked into this topic and found answers.

Not very solid ones anyway.

But of course some followers did survive and pass on this knowledge, not everything was burned and done away with.

I believe that some of the teachings of John were transmitted at some point to early freemasons, although the message isn't entirely clear anymore. You used to be burnt for this kind of thing so it's no surprise the stories are fragmented as they are.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 06:47 AM
link   
reply to post by ShadowScholar
 
Matt 28 has an early payoff of the gaurds to keep quiet about what they saw at the tomb.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 05:32 PM
link   
reply to post by Logarock
 


That's interesting, wish I had've been there myself to prove or disprove the story!

That's half the problem, so many half truths and stories.

For example, anyone wonder why Jesus was called Jesus of Nazareth despite not being born there and Nazareth not even existing at the time??

There's a big puzzle, with a very interesting answer



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 11:18 PM
link   
John the Baptist - Feast Day 24th June or the day after the Summer Solstice.

Jesus - Feast day 25th December or the day after the Winter Solstice.

On the solstices the sun stops its movement along the sunset horizon for three days.

Stops its movement North in the case of the Summer solstice and its movement South in the case of the Winter Solstice. Solstice means literally Sun Stop.

In other words the sun appears to die for three days and is then resurrected.



groups.yahoo.com...
"Before all else, I denounce and contest, that you shall observe no sacrilegious pagan customs. For no cause or infirmity should you consult magicians, diviners, sorcerers or incantators, or presume to question them because any man who commits such evil will immediately lose the sacrament of baptism. Do not observe auguries or violent sneezing or pay attention to any little birds singing along the road. If you are distracted on the road or at any other work, make the sign of the cross and say your Sunday prayers with faith and devotion and nothing inimical can hurt you. No Christian should be concerned about which day he leaves home or which day he returns because God has made all days. No influence attaches to the first work of the day or the [phase of the] moon; nothing is ominous or ridiculous about the Calends of January. [Do not] make [figures of?] vetulas, little deer or iotticos or set tables at night or exchange New Years' gifts or supply superfluous drinks. No Christian believes impurity or sits in incantation, because the work is diabolic. No Christian on the feast of Saint John or the solemnity of any other saint performs solestitia [solstice rites?] or dancing or leaping or diabolical chants. No Christian should presume to invoke the name of a demon, not Neptune or Orcus or Diana or Minerva or Geniscus or believe in these inept beings in any way. No one should observe Jove's day in idleness without holy festivities not in May or any other time, not days of larvae or mice or any day but Sunday. No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks, or springs or groves or corners."

The Life of St. Eligius, 588-660
St Eligius, spiritual advisor to the Merovingian kings



Dagobert II was murdered during the winter solstice. Dagobert II had a Celtic princess for a wife.
edit on 12/1/11 by roscoe because: (no reason given)





edit on 19/1/2012 by Sauron because: - internal quote tags to external quote tags included source link



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:22 AM
link   

Originally posted by roscoe
John the Baptist - Feast Day 24th June or the day after the Summer Solstice.

Jesus - Feast day 25th December or the day after the Winter Solstice.
I don't know anyone who would call Christmas a Feast Day in that sense... Though the Feast of John the Evangelist is Dec 27th. I think it's more accurate to put the two Sts. John at the opposite equinoxes than the Baptist and Jesus. But maybe that's just the Mason in me.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 06:22 AM
link   

Originally posted by ShadowScholar
reply to post by Logarock
 


That's interesting, wish I had've been there myself to prove or disprove the story!

That's half the problem, so many half truths and stories.

For example, anyone wonder why Jesus was called Jesus of Nazareth despite not being born there and Nazareth not even existing at the time??

There's a big puzzle, with a very interesting answer


Well he didnt really need to be born in Nazareth to be called "of Nazareth" or a Nazarene. But really you cant expect to bring the issue into question based on the idea that Nazareth didnt exist at the time.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:01 AM
link   
reply to post by Logarock
 


Hi Logarock
,

Of course I can bring into question why he was called this 29 times in the bible if the place didn't exist at the time. Because it's a conspiracy
!! The evidence for a 1st century town of Nazareth does not exist – not literary, not archaeologically, and not historically.

This is fact. Google 'Nazareth did not exist at the time of jesus' you'll find enough links


It is also fact that in the earlier Greek versions of the bible the term did not mean 'Jesus of Nazareth' but in fact meant Jesus the Nazarene. This is extremely important as a Nazarene is the term used to denote a priest of the Essene faith. The same Essenes who wrote the dead sea scrolls but were removed from history and the bible for some odd reason...

Their teachings fundamentally opposed the pharisees and sadducees and we all know Jesus went into their temples and caused a ruckus.

The bible is directly referencing Jesus' position as a priest of the Essene faith, yet noone ever really notices, for one because the terms used are obscure and for 2 because the church in the past was seeking to suppress this information.

Nice to chat with you about this



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 04:10 PM
link   
reply to post by ShadowScholar
 
You are saying then that Jesus and John were Nazarites (with legal standing under the law)? Nazarites after the order then and not really of a sect but with recognized position as opposed to the others who were really just sectarians. This would be required of Christ seeing that He came to fullfill the law. If of Nazareth means of the Nazarites then He was recognized as such by all including a demon in one case.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 06:27 PM
link   
reply to post by Logarock
 


Jesus the nazarene, not nazorite according to the greek, same thing essentially, but I need to make that point completely clear. I'm not a fan of obfuscation, the truth should be as clear as possible to avoid any error or miscommunication.

You had to come from a family of priests to be allowed into the priesthood also, it's documented in gnostic texts and apocrypha that John the baptist was of the essene faith, especially seeing as he baptised people in flowing water (the Jordan) which is a central part of this faith. Baptisement in flowing water.

As we know Jesus was Johns cousin, which means he had the family links to become a Nazarene.

Another interesting thing is that you could only become a Nazarene at age 30, which is widely accepted as when Jesus began his ministry.

The Essenes were at one time considered very highly, more so than the pharisees or the sadducees. So yes Jesus would have the authority to fulfill the law if he was a Nazarene.

There's even more evidence to the fact that Jesus was a high ranking priest of the Essene faith and was a gnostic, but I think it should be put into one concise thread. Also interesting to note that John the baptist was considered in higher regard at the time than Jesus, this is evidenced today by his special role in freemasonry and in the past through numerous texts etc.

This information has been suppressed for a long time for obvious reasons, if Jesus was a nazarene priest then the entire authority of the roman catholic church becomes essentially void and the religious authority of a massive portion of the world would transfer to the Essene priesthood.

If any were still around of course



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 06:40 PM
link   
Going back to the thread without diverting off course, the reason masons venerate both of the Johns is as follows.

John the Baptist - High ranking priest of a very holy faith from Israel. Remembered for things we mostly do not remember now but not completely forgotten through the practices of freemasonry. High five to the brotherhood!

John the Evangelist - Was a disciple of John the baptist, and also known as a 'pillar' of the Jerusalem church (Essene faith). He was also called a fisherman, which has more significance than at first thought. A whole bunch of people were mentioned as fishermen in the bible for some reason, again, hopefully, there's some significance behind that!


Basically freemasonry is a living remnant, no matter how small that remnant remains today, of a holy group from Palestine which would have authority over the worlds christians if it still existed and people were more aware of these things.

The proof is in the rituals and teachings of masonry, when you start aligning things an amazing history will become revealed



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 06:54 PM
link   
reply to post by BeastMaster2012
 


Have you checked out the book that Brown looted for DaVinci Code?
And then there's yet more to tell...

This story was first brought to public attention in the smash selling book “Holy Blood – Holy Grail” by the same authors. Lord Selborne was identified as one of the principals who in 1956, applied for export licenses of ancient parchments said to directly relate to the Rennes le Chateau mystery. [12] Did this mysterious treasure really have ancient roots or was it of a more contemporary origin? There are good reasons to believe it may rather have been part of the gold plundered by the Nazi’s that was being buried, rather than ancient loot being dug up. www.deepblacklies.co.uk...



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 07:00 PM
link   
Please you phre maisons (Free Masons) followers of the light + lucifer

Get over yourselves and your snake like words

Jesus Christ is the most documented character in the whole history of the world
including Roman, Hebrew, Egyptian and Greek Scholars

The role of John is unclear ... but did you know John went on to preach in hell

according to the gnostic scripture your so quick to retort

Proclaimining the Messiah is here ....

So why ?
Did John the Baptist go to hell... as only men of sin venture that dark doorway ...

and for Dan Brown masonic lie maker .... Leornado da vinci poratrait as above is below with hands
compass and square the devil rules from below those above
Mona lisa the devil worshipped as a woman and a man like the baphomet or Lady Gaga ... Monma lisa da
vinci as a woman
The illummuniated man where you can draw a square and a circle around a man ... Iluminated man or man of lucifer ...


Christ was about truth , love and freedom ..... in all his works and acts ....

Go serve your secret societies of satan as God said "The truth will always be revealed" ...
Secrets are for serpent and Satan and truth is for freedom like wikileaks and every decent person standing on two feet



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 07:13 PM
link   

Originally posted by ShadowScholar
reply to post by Logarock
 


This information has been suppressed for a long time for obvious reasons, if Jesus was a nazarene priest then the entire authority of the roman catholic church becomes essentially void and the religious authority of a massive portion of the world would transfer to the Essene priesthood.

If any were still around of course




Save for the fact that if Jesus was a nazaren His mission would have been completed at some point.

Num 6:13 ¶ And this [is] the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: ..... And he shall offer the ram [for] a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering.

As you know the Ram cought in the thickets was a shadow of Chrsit (see Abraham/Isack) The meat and drink here....Jesus..willing to eat my fleash and drink my blood is clearly pointing to this passage about the nazarite.

I am saing that its really not that hidden or hidden at all.

John....Samson

Samson...Jdg 13:7Angel- But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean [thing]: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

John...Luk 1:15 Angel- For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

There is more info to be had here but the point is made that John was annonced like Samson as a Nazarite from the womb or whiel even in the womb.

This was Johns order, nazarite from the womb. If the Essenes were nazarite they were so after the womb by vow. The Essenes may or may not have been started by John say like the School of the Prophets of the OT we find assoicated with the man who John came in the spirit of ...Luk 1:17 Angel- And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias....

John had the Holy Ghost given him in the womb which to say the least is rare.

Anyway this order if you want to call it that didnt pass with a line of priests and ended with Jesus. Jesus would have had to have been a nazarite or nazaren in order to fullfill His mission. But He was many things. If there was such a thing as a priesthood in the Essenes it wasnt after this nazarite order. In addition to this all the other OT orders ended with Christ and even His priesthood was said to be after the order of Melchizedek which is unusual in that it is granted without ordination by man. Thus any order claiming to decend from John has no authority.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 07:52 PM
link   
reply to post by Logarock
 


Hi Logarock,

I agree it's not really hidden, it's really in plain view, it's just distorted by changes in language, whether intentional or not and by false teachings, i.e. people who haven't done their homework telling other people the 'truth'.

What specifically was Jesus mission though? Because Jesus essentially broke the secrecy surrounding the Essene faith.

He started preaching to and converting ordinary people to the faith. Whereas previously you could only be born inside the group. This is what he believed in, everyone being an equal part of the mysteries. He broke the blood lineage by spreading the message to ordinary people.

This would be similar to a mason revealing all of the mysteries to people who were not masons.

If we look at what Jesus actual actions were, we can say he probably achieved his own personal mission in spreading the word to the common man


A nazarite from the womb means that the person is born a nazarite, which is the only way to become one. Through being born into a nazarite bloodline. This line existed prior to John for him to be born into it. Although John did not found the bloodline he was venerated as a great renewer and reviver of the faith.

I would politely argue with you that the holy ghost would be given to everyone in the womb, that as new life is created the holy spirit breathes life into a new person thanks to god and hence is not rare. But we could always agree to disagree on this point.

The priesthood of the Essenes were called Nazarenes they are one and the same


Why would it end with Jesus? He was not the one and only Nazarene, there were others before and after him and from different families. The world didn't just stop and convert to christianity when this guy came around, it took a few hundred years for christianity to become popular, prior to that it was a jewish sect.

The order of Melchizedek not being ordained by man means that you had to be born into it, no man could get you in. Secret handshake or not.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:41 PM
link   

Originally posted by ShadowScholar

A nazarite from the womb means that the person is born a nazarite, which is the only way to become one. Through being born into a nazarite bloodline. This line existed prior to John for him to be born into it. Although John did not found the bloodline he was venerated as a great renewer and reviver of the faith.


Well lets just say something like thi is the case. The problem remains that John and Samson were 1) announced by angels probably the same one 2) were preordained in the womb. Samsons mother was told not to eat junk or drink strong drink whiel Samson was in the womb or even this would corrupt the boy. The distinction is this there are two trypes of nazerites those given it in the womb and those that later made a vow to become one for a period of time. The type given in the womb were of the Spirit...as Jesus told John the Fisherman...you are not of or you know not what spirit you are of. Its not a Spirit or order that anyone can take not even nazerites by vow or bloodlind if there is such a thing.


I would politely argue with you that the holy ghost would be given to everyone in the womb, that as new life is created the holy spirit breathes life into a new person thanks to god and hence is not rare. But we could always agree to disagree on this point.


This is not the same spirit. The spirit given to all is the spirit of life or the breath of life. This is clearly something though fantastic yet not of the Spirit given John the Baptist in the womb. It is rearly given this way and certainly of a diffrent sort.



Why would it end with Jesus? He was not the one and only Nazarene, there were others before and after him and from different families. The world didn't just stop and convert to christianity when this guy came around, it took a few hundred years for christianity to become popular, prior to that it was a jewish sect.


One would have to understand the full measure of Christ to understand why He was the the end all. This was only part of who He was. He was also risen as a King Priest or Melchizedek and this is His final status thus moving beyound and fullfilling the nazarite portion. And like I said even in His Nazarite role He was still of the order that was such before He was even born. Even these other nazarites like John the baptist did not obtain that order that Christ held unless it is granted by Christ, even though the nazarite title was prebirth. These nazarites by vow or by line are in effect void and made so by Christs work.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:53 PM
link   
Also John the fisherman, he may have been a follower of John the Baptist at one time but did make the break and started following Jesus. Also note that some later christains ran into some of Johns followers and showed them the more perfect way...

Another former John the Baptist follower...Acts 18- Now a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was an eloquent man, competent in the Scriptures. He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John. He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him and explained to him the way of God more accurately..... for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:14 PM
link   
reply to post by Logarock
 


Were they announced by angels prior to their actual births or was this written about a few hundred years later by people without first hand knowledge of events writing a story?

There are many different kinds of Nazorite, there are the Nasorean priests which you must be born into and the normal people who are Nazorites. There are also higher offices than Nasorean.

I think the spirits could be considered the same thing, but as I said this is merely my thoughts on the subject and you're welcome to have your own opinion. Going into the whole holy ghost thing right now is too big of an issue.

Being risen as a king priest within the order of melchizedek doesn't mean anything exceptional, the nasoreans claim to be descended from that order, there were many of them. It's like someone becoming an archbishop and therefore proclaiming christianity had ended and a new era had begun.

John actually baptised Jesus and not the other way around, John was in a higher position than Jesus. He made Jesus what he was. John anointed Jesus with the living water, Jesus never anointed John



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:31 PM
link   
reply to post by Logarock
 


He did make the break and start following Jesus, and he also broke again after that and returned to being a fisherman and then afterwards came back to Jesus again.

Interestingly a fisherman is also the term for a Nazarene priest, with the congregation also known as the fish. John the fisherman is another reference to him also being a nazarene priest. When he left to become a fisherman again, this is reference to him continuing his work as a preacher within the nazorite faith.

The more perfect way according to who? The christians? Of course they would say it is the more perfect way, it is their belief


Even Apollos as a follower of Jesus would of course come and argue that Jesus was the way, and of course this book would make it into the bible, that's just logic, it doesn't mean it would be an accurate portrayal of events though. It would all be biased from the christian perspective and not looked at objectively.

Even the quote you provided shows evidence that Priscilla and Aquila took Apollos and instructed him further in the way of god, for trying to show Jesus was the christ. They thought he needed more schooling.


It's good fun having this conversation with you by the way!



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 05:26 AM
link   

Originally posted by ShadowScholar
reply to post by Logarock
 


Hi Logarock,

I agree it's not really hidden, it's really in plain view, it's just distorted by changes in language, whether intentional or not and by false teachings, i.e. people who haven't done their homework telling other people the 'truth'.

What specifically was Jesus mission though? Because Jesus essentially broke the secrecy surrounding the Essene faith.

He started preaching to and converting ordinary people to the faith. Whereas previously you could only be born inside the group. This is what he believed in, everyone being an equal part of the mysteries. He broke the blood lineage by spreading the message to ordinary people.

This would be similar to a mason revealing all of the mysteries to people who were not masons.

If we look at what Jesus actual actions were, we can say he probably achieved his own personal mission in spreading the word to the common man


A nazarite from the womb means that the person is born a nazarite, which is the only way to become one. Through being born into a nazarite bloodline. This line existed prior to John for him to be born into it. Although John did not found the bloodline he was venerated as a great renewer and reviver of the faith.

I would politely argue with you that the holy ghost would be given to everyone in the womb, that as new life is created the holy spirit breathes life into a new person thanks to god and hence is not rare. But we could always agree to disagree on this point.

The priesthood of the Essenes were called Nazarenes they are one and the same


Why would it end with Jesus? He was not the one and only Nazarene, there were others before and after him and from different families. The world didn't just stop and convert to christianity when this guy came around, it took a few hundred years for christianity to become popular, prior to that it was a jewish sect.

The order of Melchizedek not being ordained by man means that you had to be born into it, no man could get you in. Secret handshake or not.



I was reading in "diagonal" posts in this thread and saw your posts and there is something blatant that disturbe me with them as it seemeed to me (sorry if im wrong about that feeling/observation) that never you mention the fact that Jesus was a JEW, that the people he was in relation/friendsip/conflict/etc most of the time were JEWS. No matter if Jesus was part of a reformist or marginal side of the jewish people/religion (or whatsoever jewish sect) when talking about him "historicaly" at least, I think it hard to omit totaly the fact he was a jew among others jews in a jewish country during his living.
edit on 14-1-2011 by moltquedelo because: (no reason given)





top topics
 
18
<< 3  4  5    7 >>

log in

join