Constitutionalists now labeled as terrorists; says DOJ

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I agree with you that this happened way back then, with the Patriot Act.

But what I am seeing currently is a more overt campaign to label 'dissenters', ie. those who disagree with the communist agenda - which of course includes 'constitutionalists', as potential terrorists.

I may be wrong, but I am getting a real sense that this 'party line' is being stepped up considerably now. Since Obama is the President, the buck stops at him and he is ultimately responsible for this.

In any case, as we know, Bush/Obama are both batting for the same side, so the forthcoming elections are a nonsense anyway. Those who pull the strings have already decided what the results will be, and they probably have their speeches already written - a la 9/11.

Perhaps its time for people to think long and hard about what they will write on their election slips, just sayin'

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Welcome to the club.... by definiton of Homeland Security, I have been a longstanding terrorist as have half the people of NC....

If you own a firearm, believe in the second Coming of Christ, and fly an American Flag....you might be a terrorist.

Free membership, many privileges, no dues, y'all come on in....

No, but if you are deluded enough to believe a the 2nd coming of Jesus, you have proven yourself susceptible to manipulation and wild theories, which makes you a prime candidate to turn into a rabid zealot, little different from the men who piloted planes into the Twin Towers.

Originally posted by pajoly

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Welcome to the club.... by definiton of Homeland Security, I have been a longstanding terrorist as have half the people of NC....

If you own a firearm, believe in the second Coming of Christ, and fly an American Flag....you might be a terrorist.

Free membership, many privileges, no dues, y'all come on in....

No, but if you are deluded enough to believe a the 2nd coming of Jesus, you have proven yourself susceptible to manipulation and wild theories, which makes you a prime candidate to turn into a rabid zealot, little different from the men who piloted planes into the Twin Towers.

The 'little' difference being that you see very few Christians pulling off skyjackings, wedding reception massacres or suicide bombings.

reply to post by wcitizen


Please help me to understand, are we on the road to communism, Godless socialism, corporate fascism or Obama-inspired Sharia rule, because I am getting all confused? The abject contradictory claims asserted by the right tell us anything we need to know about their credibilty.

P.S. -- I believe it to be corporate fascism aided by "christian" cultists who can tell poop from shinola and are now the spooked herd before the corporatist cattle drivers.

reply to post by butcherguy


"The 'little' difference being that you see very few Christians pulling off skyjackings, wedding reception massacres or suicide bombings."

Really?

The real difference is that you are unable to think beyond your narrow few years of life as a frame of reference. In the larger map of history that shows us the way, Christians have shed blood of their fellow humans at least as much and with just as much zeal as any Wahabbiest. In not understanding this, you are another who contributes to our doom for it to happen over, and over, and over....

Don't forget that these Thugs use doublespeak all the time. They do it to cause confusion and division between those who are a 'threat' to their criminal agenda (ie. the people) and because it distracts them from keeping their focus on the real problem, which is the Thugs and their crimes. And they do this because it works time and time again.

We need to really grasp this. These are tactics they use all the time.
So, in this case, the doublespeak aspect is to blame others for what you are doing yourself. The Thugs (ie. the terrorists) are labelling the ordinary people as terrorists for not agreeing with them.

There are several purposes in them doing this, one is to influence those who just take on board everything the Gov, via the MSM, says - so they will start to see dissenters, constitutionalists as terrorists, just because they are told that is the case. Purpose: divide to better control.

Another purpose of the tactic is to distract people from focusing on the Thugs and their crimes, and get them sidetracked into discussions about whether dissenters are terrorists - and argue about it....does that sound familiar? Because this too distracts from the real issue of them and their crimes.

They use these tactics again and again because they work. We need to stay smart and not get caught up in their games. By buying into their game we hand them our power and allow them to win the game yet again.

The children are squabbling while the house is burning. There's no time to argue about secondary and tertiary issues, the only concern should be how to put the fire out.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by wcitizen]

Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by butcherguy

 

"The 'little' difference being that you see very few Christians pulling off skyjackings, wedding reception massacres or suicide bombings."

Really?

The real difference is that you are unable to think beyond your narrow few years of life as a frame of reference. In the larger map of history that shows us the way, Christians have shed blood of their fellow humans at least as much and with just as much zeal as any Wahabbiest. In not understanding this, you are another who contributes to our doom for it to happen over, and over, and over....

How old are you, Oh Ancient one???

I am speaking of today, not living my life in the past as you apparently are.

Just to let you know, our doom is already sealed. There is nothing after.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by butcherguy]

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by pajoly

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Welcome to the club.... by definiton of Homeland Security, I have been a longstanding terrorist as have half the people of NC....

If you own a firearm, believe in the second Coming of Christ, and fly an American Flag....you might be a terrorist.

Free membership, many privileges, no dues, y'all come on in....

No, but if you are deluded enough to believe a the 2nd coming of Jesus, you have proven yourself susceptible to manipulation and wild theories, which makes you a prime candidate to turn into a rabid zealot, little different from the men who piloted planes into the Twin Towers.

The 'little' difference being that you see very few Christians pulling off skyjackings, wedding reception massacres or suicide bombings.

right...christians are limited to killing abortion doctors, and gay people...please...show a little respect for those christians.

reply to post by jimmyx
hi jimmyx.

You should ask the mennonite Mr. Lapp, from Lancaster County, PA what abortion doctor he was slaying in Afghanistan when he was executed. He was killed for doing humanitarian work. Oh, you can't do that, he's dead, at the hands of Islamic thugs.




You should actually hope that the same group that you malign doesn't take up the habits of the Islamic terrs that can do no wrong in so many peoples eyes.

Then you would see airliners crashing into the HQ of pro-abortion groups.



[edit on 2-9-2010 by butcherguy]

reply to post by pajoly

Basically, what is important to understand is that the concepts of Right and Left are a smokescreen created by those behind the scenes. Bush/Obama are working to the same agenda. They create pantomimes for MSM to make the people believe there is a difference, a choice, but there really isn't.

Look at what Bush/Cheney did. Look at how the Bills they passed (eg. Patriot Bill) paved the way for the acceleration in stripping individual rights which is happening under Obama. If Obama was truly opposed to the Bush regime, why didn't he repeal the Patriot Bill, for example?

The MSM pantomime machine is now in full swing once again, demolisihing Obama and pretending they will be better... Just like Obama did in his campaign. It's all the same pantomime to keep the masses believing their is a democracy when there is none any more.

Look at the outcomes. For example, Obama has continued the wars, Obama lies, Obama deceives, Obama is about to get US involved in the mother of all wars with Iran. But this is exactly the same agenda as Bush. (Remember Bomb, bomb Iran). This regime which is running the US wants to invade Iran, they did under Bush and it's the same now under Obama.

Before Iraq all the experts were saying Hussein had no WMD. Now all the experts are saying Iran has no nukes. Same tactics, using the MSM propaganda as their weapon.

Yes, it is confusing and it's hard to get your head around what is really happening because it's almost unbelievable, but sadly it's very, very true.

Some people are saying what the Thugs want is communism. I think we have to be wary of labels, especially those used by TPTB. If we look at the evidence of what's happening, it's clear that individual rights, constitutional rights, privacy, human rights are being demolished by the day. We see increasing power over domestic affairs being handed to homeland security, CIA and the military. It doesn't really matter what you call it - fascism, communism, totalitarianism - all those fit to some degree, it's what's happening that is the vital issue, and what to do about it is even more vital.



[edit on 2-9-2010 by wcitizen]

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by butcherguy

 

"The 'little' difference being that you see very few Christians pulling off skyjackings, wedding reception massacres or suicide bombings."

Really?

The real difference is that you are unable to think beyond your narrow few years of life as a frame of reference. In the larger map of history that shows us the way, Christians have shed blood of their fellow humans at least as much and with just as much zeal as any Wahabbiest. In not understanding this, you are another who contributes to our doom for it to happen over, and over, and over....

How old are you, Oh Ancient one???

I am speaking of today, not living my life in the past as you apparently are.

Just to let you know, our doom is already sealed. There is nothing after.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by butcherguy]

Of course you are living in the past. This entire thread is about the past, in the sense of what everyone thinks the Founders intended, inclusing you I presume. So you value the lessons of the past or not? You think the occurances of the past have no bearing on the present? Are you the sort who lives second by second? What IS the present to you that the past has no bearing? How many times do you place your hand on a hot burner? I presume each and every time because in your opinion the past has no meaning, no lessons to teach us. For God's sake, do you vote?

reply to post by pajoly
Then I will put it differently for your widely spread mind.

Do you see a lot of equivalence between todays Christian radicals and their Muslim counterparts?

Today, not a thousand years ago.

You are saddling todays Christians with the sins of their ancestors.

BTW: the thread is about what is going on today with the Constitution, just because the founders wrote it centuries ago doesn't mean that I am speaking of them when I mention the Constitution, which I believe, still exists today.

You might want to give up that presuming thing that you are on to, it causes you to make up straw men.



[edit on 2-9-2010 by butcherguy]

[edit on 2-9-2010 by butcherguy]

This is old news and was NOT developed by the DoJ.......do your homework folks.

Hey! What the hell? Sign me up! Is it not becoming more clear everyday.
That we're in deep squat. If I could just get back to living paycheck to paycheck that would be a step in the right direction

reply to post by Speedforhire
I know.

I was just swimming through when someone decided it would be a good place to troll.

Originally posted by SWCCFAN
Source

Link to PDF in question.

So basically if you believe in the Constitution you may be a terrorist.

Well I guess myself and many others on ATS will make the list.

Thoughts?

From the PDF:

This publication was initially prepared by Mark Pitcavage, Ph.D., in 1998, as a "Guide to Common Terms Used by Antigovernment Extremists."

Do some antigovernment extremists use the term "Constitutionalist?" Yes.

I notice that a lot of the definitions refer specifically to terrorist groups, yet the "Constitutionalist" entry makes no mention of violence, terrorism or insurrection. Why is that? Perhaps because this is exactly what it says: a guide to terms used by antigovernment extremists.

Let me bang my head against the wall a few times so I can channel the same thought process that Alex Jones uses:

It also mentions "Executive Orders." THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO ARREST HIMSELF AS AN ANTIGOVERNMENT EXTREMIST! He's so radical, he's going to orchestrate a coup against himself!

There's also this:

Earth First: Founded in 1980 by a group of people that included Dave Foreman, Earth First sought to promote the concept of saving the environment. The founders believed technological advances and encroachment into wilderness areas were endangering the earth’s environment. Today, many environmental activists are called “Earth Firsters,” even though they may have never had an affiliation with the group of that name.

OH NO! THEY'RE TARGETING ALL ENVIRONMENTALISTS AS TERRORISTS!!!



Seriously, knock off the victimhood and paranoia threads. It just makes the entire site look like a bunch of tinfoil hatters.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by pajoly

 

Then I will put it differently for your widely spread mind.

Do you see a lot of equivalence between todays Christian radicals and their Muslim counterparts?

Today, not a thousand years ago.

[Rev. Paul] Hill framed his actions as those of a Christian warrior engaged in sacred battle. “My eyes were opened to the enormous impact” such an event would have, he wrote, adding that “the effect would be incalculable.” Hill said that he opened his Bible and found sustenance in Psalms 91: “You will not be afraid of the terror by night, or of the arrow that flies by day.” Hill interpreted this as an affirmation that his act was biblically approved.

Rev. Michael Bray, a Lutheran pastor in Bowie, Maryland, who had served prison time for his conviction of fire-bombing abortion-related clinics on the Eastern seaboard. Bray published a newsletter and then a Web site for his Christian anti-abortion movement, and published a book theologically justifying violence against abortion service providers, A Time to Kill.

www.alternet.org...

Hutaree

Nine alleged members of a radical US Christian militia group have been charged with conspiring to kill police officers and wage war against the US.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Scott Roeder

Mr. Roeder, 51, of Kansas City, Mo., told jurors that he had a growing sense of his own faith and opposition to abortion in the 1990s after watching “The 700 Club,” the evangelist Pat Robertson’s television talk show. Mr. Roeder’s views on religion and abortion, he said, went “hand in hand.”

Okay, one more that didn't hit the MSM:

Three Burleson men who belong to a "radical Christian activist group" were in the Johnson County Jail on Friday night after a church deacon caught two of them attempting to ignite an explosive device on Independence Day at a church under construction in north Burleson, authorities said Friday.
...
Cmdr. Chris Havens, the Police Department spokesman, said the suspects boasted about belonging to a leaderless group of 10 or 15 who share a belief that society has become too focused on self-improvement and self-gratification and has lost focus on the glorification of God.

"They admit to being Christian and being brought up Christian, but they believe there should be one denomination and one church, not multiple denominations," Havens said.

news.exchristian.net...

reply to post by mothershipzeta
Again, I am not saying that Christian radicals do not exist, nor am I asking for evidence of their actions.

I am asking if our situation is even remotely similar to the ME, where you can be killed just to draw attention to the political cause at hand.Killed by the most barbaric methods for your beliefs, not to mention that plenty of the time it is sanctioned by the government.

At some point today I'm going to tell you all a story that may blow your mind though it is actually true. I'm watching a movie named "Alpha Dog" of which is based on true events and it hits home in many ways for different reasons of which I'll get into at that time. I'll wait for a more appropriate thread to comment further or maybe I'll just put it right here. We'll see. What I am about to tell you will clear up quite a bit about the 'issues' of the day. It was/is a 'heart wrenching' experience and I am quite fortunate to be 'here' today to tell it. I won't mention any names though some 'right here' on ATS know who I am and they're watching.....for reasons I'll get into later. This took.....and Is taking place in Mexico and Belize of which I have gotten to know 'quite' well.

I thank the 'Creator' above for 'looking out for me' and guiding me along my ouie. It seems appropriate at this time to reveal what I recently experienced and it 'could' be a movie of it's own though that is 'not' my purpose. I just want to clear some things up for many reasons especially with the movie 'Machete' that's about to hit the screen.....tomorrow. It feels like a 'holiday' when I return to the States. Oh how fortunate you 'are' to live the good ole USA.....

My recent folder pics of my daughter on my computer was renamed....."BP 'shops' Emma", my daughter! This clearly 'crosses' the line! In fact THIS comes to mind, though I'm sure you understand, no?

Oh, I will return to my land/farm in Belize though with some folks with a G level weapons permit for 'all' concerned. I will 'Not' be Gringoed.....Scumbags! 'They' know who they are and the 'people' of Belize suffer every day by the Actions of the 'tyrants that Be'.

Synchronicity, remember?
'Later' folks.


[edit on 2-9-2010 by Perseus Apex]

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by mothershipzeta

 

Again, I am not saying that Christian radicals do not exist, nor am I asking for evidence of their actions.

I am asking if our situation is even remotely similar to the ME, where you can be killed just to draw attention to the political cause at hand.Killed by the most barbaric methods for your beliefs, not to mention that plenty of the time it is sanctioned by the government.

Then why didn't you actually ask that? Your earlier posts didn't have that level of detail.

And if you think that killing abortion doctors isn't intended to draw attention to a political cause, you're delusional.