Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Alright you silly zenophobes, let's see if we can simplify this further ...
First off schrodingers dog, if ever you see me
mispell one of our
wurds please feel free to correct my spelling error. i would honestly
feel better being corrected than continuing to make the same mistake repeatedly. i'm certainly not the spelling or grammar police, nor would i be
insulted for being corrected.
secondly, if the word is mispelled by a typo
and one letter is replaced with another letter that is right next to it on the keyboard, it more
than likely is due to a typo, and i can realize this.
thirdly, i spent a few minutes looking for what "zenophobe" meant, cuz i didn't know.
fourthly, "x" is next to "z" on the keyboard. but, i learned a new word today. thanks!
Eek, I barely mentioned that word and the minds are on overdrive trying to defend and legitimize their existence and protect their identity.
So let me repeat this one more time ... no one is suggesting that you should kill or discard the ego, so there's no need to keep saying 'i'm
speaking from my ego, I'm keeping my ego, or in fact sdog leggo my ego you jackass, I need that to live!" I'm not trying to steal it from you or
to put it down.
i did not take offense to your opening post, what so ever. i just wanted to share some thoughts concerning "ego"
i think the points you make are profoundly intelligent, and beautifully simplified.
what i love about this thread
is the stress you place upon ownership and "my" and "mine". once we share words with eachother, they are no
longer private or "my" words. they transform into "our" words. and from the perspective of ego "our" can also be flattering for the ego.
sharing experiences and thoughts with eachother is paramount to getting to the truth of a subject, but often the "ego" sometimes tries to hinder
sharing thoughts out of fear of ridicule, etc...
some people get put off by the word "teacher" in my user name. five years ago i picked that name for two reasons. because a teacher shares
information, and that is what i do, i share what i learn, experience, think about. secondly, i picked that name because it can be abbreviated to
E.T., and the ufo and alien phenomenon is one subject that motivated me to join ATS.
yet, some people do not like my user name, and even post as much in some of my threads.
some members think my user name is proof of ego. it wasn't meant as such when i picked it, and sometimes i think they may be projecting their
interpretation of it, rather than considering there were other reasons i picked it. a little off topic, but related to it i think.
I mean honestly, if after reading the OP and what I wrote since, you think this is about attacking the ego, and you feel compelled to defend it
because it's yours, then I humbly suggest paying attention to why you are reacting that way because in effect, you are exemplifying all that the OP
i hope you did not take any of my posts as being against what you said. since you've authored that, i have read it 4 times, because i like
it very much.
i know you are not attacking the ego, but the ego often thinks it is being attacked, when it is not. such is one of the downfalls
of ego, in my egoic opinion.
But joking aside, and manifestations of unwarranted self importance aside, I have obviously done a piss poor job communicating the simplicity of this
what i shared on page four of this thread was an account of how lack of ego, and lack of thinking about self altogether offered an option i would not
have necessarily considered if ego was a variable. i hope it wasn't taken otherwise. it is difficult for me to think about and put into words
totally, and i was tired when i wrote it.
i'm hoping my contributions in this thread have not been misunderstood. i was sharing what i have learned about ego, what it means to me, and how
letting go of it in a time of crisis actually probably saved us that night in iraq.
for me this thread is about the often automatic assumption of "this is mine" and/or "this is my". also for me this thread is about how options
may not be percieved as possible and plausible if the ego alone is in the driver's seat making all the decisions for us.
the ego thinks linearly, in my opinion. right or wrong, left or right, liberal or conservative, heaven or hell, fight or flight, etc...
what this thread brings to the fore front is it may not always be black and white, but the ego is not conditioned to see otherwise all the time.
So let us start with the whole ego deconstruction bit ... deconstruction doesn't mean throwing something away, it simply means looking at it from a
distance, taking it apart, observing it seeing how it works, and when it comes to one's deconstruction of their self, understanding and being aware
of how and why we and our minds operate in relation to each other. It is simply looking at the existential mirror, and it has nothing to do with
denying our ego or anything else. Ok? Ok!
i like you Sdog. i like you a lot. stuff like what is written above is the reason i added you to my friends list.
Imagine if you will all the physical possessions you accumulate throughout your life ... all the clothes, electronics, books, all the stuff. And
imagine you don't ever throw anything away ... you keep storing it in the attic every time you move. It's called hoarding. Well the mind often
does the same thing, but because it isn't physical stuff that you can see or touch, unless one stops and notes it, the mind will hoard everything
unconsciously. Resulting in a 'heavy' mind full of stuff it doesn't need.
i can't agree with that more than what i do. we need to defrag our minds once in awhile. even if we are only collecting light weight pillows,
eventually enough pillows will weigh us down. an analogy to say the same thing, i think.
All that this is about is stopping, go up in the attic of your mind, look around and see what you want to keep and what you don't.
i believe the conflicts within us that cannot be resolved or are not resolved inside, get unconsciously projected onto our shared reality, and
manifested into our material world.
As far as the fleeting point of the OP, all I was saying is if you depersonalize all the stuff in the attic that is your mind, one might find that
even less is required, needed, defended, and maintained.
That's all, it's just a suggestion.
This is exhausting.
again, i agree.
i like this thread, and thank you for sharing your thoughts and your observations concerning this subject. i hope you didn't find my earlier posts
were contrary to what it is you shared.
if so, it makes me
this thread is not about:
this thread is about:
"show and tell" about what the ego is to us. and the pieces of it we think we know and understand. & reverse engineering the ego. and how much we
need to store in our mental attic. and cleaning the attic now and again.
a tool i found useful was this:
i started writing in a journal/diary. and as i wrote in it i knew no one else would ever read it. when i wrote in my journal i wrote the words with
the expectations that there was no one else to impress, no reasons to lie.
we don't always treat everyone the same in our lives. we don't talk to our boss like we do our subordinates. we don't talk to our wife/husband
like we do our children. we don't talk to our neighbor like we do our dog. we respect their individuality, and their personal likes and dislikes as
best as we can accomidate them. so as i wrote in my journal there was no one to impress, and no boundries to be respected, and no reason to lie to
eventually i found a place in that book where i was writing logical questions i wanted the answers to, and i would consider the possible options, to
include my speculations.
i'd pick the most logical answer, or the answer that made sense to me.
i would ask the next logical question, and pursue the answer in the same fashion.
eventually it helped me clean the attic, and defrag my mind. it has been one tool to help clean out all the repetitive files that had identical
information, and make "cliff notes" so to speak where a lot of information could be condensed and applied to life.
i hope this might help Sdog, (and no, you don't have to proof read this whole post, but if you see me constantly mispelling a word, you won't insult
my ego to tell me i'm doing so)
this thread rocks,
[edit on 2-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]