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Ron Paul on Obama’s Iraq Speech: Mission Not Accomplished

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posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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“The President’s announcement that all U.S. combat troops have left Iraq is no more believable than the 'Mission Accomplished' declaration was in 2003.

“It is deceitful to imply we will avoid hostilities with this new policy. We still have to contend with:

• the 50,000 troops carrying weapons remain in Iraq
• the 100,000 contractors that remain with more expected to go to Iraq
• the 9,000 special ops personnel trained in assassinations that remain in Iraq
• a huge embassy, bigger than the Vatican, that will remain
• Dozens of military bases that will stay
• Al Qaeda organizations that did not exist before the war
• Muqtada al Sadr, a strong nationalist who has gained much political power
• The fact that Iran benefits tremendously with the Shiites now in power in Iraq and is a close ally of al Sadr

“Osama bin Laden wins by 'proving' that America has an agenda of occupation in the Middle East. And, we continue to walk into his trap and hand him up his best recruitment tool in his efforts to incite hatred and terrorism against the United States.

“What’s worse, President Obama made it clear last night that the troops and resources leaving Iraq will not come home to defend our country or ease our economic woes. They will instead be diverted to Afghanistan, perhaps also Pakistan and, I fear, even Iran.

www.businesswire.com...

Excellent article, Obama is completely lying to the people.
But the day he announced ground troops leaving all the mainstream media were interviewing wives being estatic that their husbands are coming back home.

A completely different picture from reality was being portrayed.

I was watching CNN yesterday and they were talking about Iraq Then and Now.
They said before they were this many landline phones, this many cell phones and today that has grown to this much bla bla bla.

And I thought how horrible that was with all the deaths invovled they are implying it was a success because after a decade of occupation and bloodshed more iraqis have cell phones now.





posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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Its not perfect but at least he is trying. More than I can say of any the past administration and congress.

Just because it doesn't end over night doesn't mean hes completely lying.

But hey where would conservatives be in the political world if they weren't bashing Obama? Seems like that their new platform for winning.. That and yelling "TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT"

You realize we still have troops in countries such as Germany right? That doesn't mean World War 2 is still going on.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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It can't end in one night. If anyone thinks this is THAT simple, they're fools. It will take some time to bring everyone home. We can't just whisk all them back to America in the span of 24 hours.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Just saw an interview where they were talking about 4500 special force units still doing operations in Iraq. Yeah, no more combat troops, what a bald face lie.

Then they went on to say that the Iraq government is still not set up.

So tell me, what do they have there in the NEW FREE IRAQ?

Exactly what is it? A military dictatorship?

The left are SOOO gullible, at least we have attempted to call out the Neo Cons on the right. There are MANY in the conservative movement against interventionalism.

But now that there is a Democrat in office, where is the protests against the wars?

Yeah, that is what I thought.

[edit on 1-9-2010 by saltheart foamfollower]



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
It can't end in one night. If anyone thinks this is THAT simple, they're fools. It will take some time to bring everyone home. We can't just whisk all them back to America in the span of 24 hours.

Actually we can just whisk them home in 24 hours... we got them there in 24 hours did we not? Is that not the Army's motto? Global response in 24 hours. The fact that it would leave a massive power vacuum is the reason for such a slow withdrawal.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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The Globalist plan calls for endless wars.....
The army isnt comming home again for a long time to come...
The PTB need these conflicts .Without them wed be far too strong at home with our troops all back here the real possibility of revolution rears its ugly head.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by brutalsun

Originally posted by Mak Manto
It can't end in one night. If anyone thinks this is THAT simple, they're fools. It will take some time to bring everyone home. We can't just whisk all them back to America in the span of 24 hours.

Actually we can just whisk them home in 24 hours... we got them there in 24 hours did we not? Is that not the Army's motto? Global response in 24 hours. The fact that it would leave a massive power vacuum is the reason for such a slow withdrawal.

You COULD whisk them away, but if you want entire discord and chaos, fine by me.

We've never just whisked away our troops after a war was over. We didn't do it after WWI or WWII.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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When the U.S. finally pulled out of Vietnam, it was done all at once. There was chaos in Vietnam. Some of the Vietnamese who had worked for the Americans were able to come to the U.S., but many were just left at the mercy of the communists and imprisoned or slaughtered.

Something similar will likely happen to Iraqis who collaborate with us. There already have been reprisals, even before our troops started to leave.

Total collapse of the present government is very probable if we were to depart suddenly.

A more gradual withdrawal, to prevent complete chaos, is probably wise.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
It can't end in one night. If anyone thinks this is THAT simple, they're fools. It will take some time to bring everyone home. We can't just whisk all them back to America in the span of 24 hours.


Great Bush quote, there.


Glad to see you understand how wars work now that your man obama is "in charge".



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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Once again, this has happened in every major war we've been in, that it took time to remove EVERY troop out.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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S & F

Plus there's this that was in the news just last week. In spite of obama's lies to the contrary, combat troops are still flowing into iraq, they're just renaming their units to something that doesn't have the word "combat" in the unit name.

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“It’s funny because the big thing on the news as we were getting ready to leave was all the big hoopla about all the combat forces coming out, so all the soldiers and their families are asking, ‘Why are we going?’” Lt. Col. Bryan Mullins said.


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As the final convoy of the Army’s 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, based at Fort Lewis, Wash., entered Kuwait early Thursday, a different Stryker brigade remained in Iraq.

Soldiers from the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division are deployed in Iraq as members of an Advise and Assist Brigade, the Army’s designation for brigades selected to conduct security force assistance.

So while the “last full U.S. combat brigade” have left Iraq, just under 50,000 soldiers from specially trained heavy, infantry and Stryker brigades will stay, as well as two combat aviation brigades.


Yes, obama lied ...



[edit on 9/1/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
Once again, this has happened in every major war we've been in, that it took time to remove EVERY troop out.


Go back and watch the videos of the U.S. finally pulling out of viet nam. The ones with people hanging on the the skids of helicopters at the U.S. Embassy to try and escape from the communists, and then the Navy pushing helicopters over the sides of the carriers to make room for more.

History matters ...



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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We didn't leave Vietnam by choice, Centurion. We had to evacuate after North Vietnam captured Saigon, thus setting for it's fall.

I was referring to wars we won.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by Miraj
Its not perfect but at least he is trying. More than I can say of any the past administration and congress.

Still trying what?
Still trying to lie?


Originally posted by Miraj
Just because it doesn't end over night doesn't mean hes completely lying.

so half lying isn't completely lying?
wow
that's being quite the apologist



Originally posted by Miraj
But hey where would conservatives be in the political world if they weren't bashing Obama? Seems like that their new platform for winning.. That and yelling "TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT"

Where would liberals be right now while the Obama admin is hijacking companies?
Doesn't matter you don't agree with the word hijack, he should NOT have taken control over GM!

Take back our govt.,? why doesn't the left scream give the people back their companies?
Do you know some of the most successful car dealerships accross the U.S. were the ones to shut down, and less profitable ones were left open?
What the hell is that all about?

He started stimulus packages that went overseas, like auto maker plants in latin america, and his new staff are subsidizing overseas job creations.
What the hellll??????

Where is the left in all of this?
WHERE ARE YOU PEOPLE????

Oh ya, your too busy protesting for gay rights while the country is economically falling apart.
Great Job!


[edit on 1-9-2010 by ModernAcademia]



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 06:36 AM
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Yes, Academia, we're fighting for the rights of people. I don't ever remember hearing that when we're in a time of trouble economically, we stop trying to see that everyone is treated equally...



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto
Yes, Academia, we're fighting for the rights of people. I don't ever remember hearing that when we're in a time of trouble economically, we stop trying to see that everyone is treated equally...


It makes no mathematical sense
Fight for the country first then worry about less important things
unemployement is down and inflation will soon turn into hyperinflation
It's not the time to worry about gays being able to marry gays
You should worry about the economy in which even gay people live in
gays not being able to marry or gays and heteros living in a tent city, which one do you want to fight?

That's the thing with leftys, you can throw social issues at them to distract them and they will start protesting like crazy over unimportant things while all the major issues goes unnoticed as far as they are concerned.

Zombies!



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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After Obama giving one of the largest Neo-Con speeches that could have been written by Bush, I would think that people would stop apologizing but wow was I wrong. It just goes to show that the definition of "liberal" these days is basically one who supports aggressive war as long as a democrat is in office.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Yes, Academia, we're fighting for the rights of people. I don't ever remember hearing that when we're in a time of trouble economically, we stop trying to see that everyone is treated equally...


It makes no mathematical sense
Fight for the country first then worry about less important things
unemployement is down and inflation will soon turn into hyperinflation
It's not the time to worry about gays being able to marry gays
You should worry about the economy in which even gay people live in
gays not being able to marry or gays and heteros living in a tent city, which one do you want to fight?

That's the thing with leftys, you can throw social issues at them to distract them and they will start protesting like crazy over unimportant things while all the major issues goes unnoticed as far as they are concerned.

Zombies!

I don't see why we can't focus on both issues at the same time. It's not that hard to do.

[edit on 2/9/10 by Mak Manto]



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Sestias
When the U.S. finally pulled out of Vietnam, it was done all at once. There was chaos in Vietnam. Some of the Vietnamese who had worked for the Americans were able to come to the U.S., but many were just left at the mercy of the communists and imprisoned or slaughtered.

Something similar will likely happen to Iraqis who collaborate with us. There already have been reprisals, even before our troops started to leave.

Total collapse of the present government is very probable if we were to depart suddenly.

A more gradual withdrawal, to prevent complete chaos, is probably wise.


The withdrawal from Saigon was under completely different circumstances.
The largest US Embassy in the world wasn't built in Saigon, was it? No, it was built in Baghdad. Will the $700 million be well spent?

Iraq is not Vietnam.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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The 4500 special forces that are still in Iraq are mainly Green Berets, whom specialize in training indigenous forces to be warfighters. The are training the Iraqi army to be able to hold thier own. Most of the others are also training Iraqs SF and intelligence operatives as well as serve as QRF's in a serious situation. And to be honest Dr. Paul's rhetoric of "trained in assassination" is a tad over the top and borderline offensive. I would expect that kind of garbage from Alan Grayson, not Ron Paul.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by djvexd]

[edit on 2-9-2010 by djvexd]




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