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Originally posted by Silver Shadow
What success ?
You mean they have finally (after seven years of warfare) finally located all those weapons of mass destruction that Dubya Bush says was reason for invading Iraq in the first place?
Gosh that is really good news.
Where are all these weapons.
What are they, and when will they all be put on public display to justify the slaughter of so many people, and the destruction of an entire nation.
Originally posted by Silver Shadow
So what you are saying is, America is now no longer killing the Iraqi people, so the war is now ended.
That is true, because America is the only enemy that the Iraqi people ever had.
When you stop killing insurgents, the war will be over.
And when you pull out of Iraq, the victory will be to every single Iraqi.
There will be dancing in the streets when America leaves.
America, shamed, beaten and humiliated will be giving up and retreating out of Iraq.
And the other twenty eight nations that still have military in Iraq right now, as GUESTS of the Iraqi people, will continue what they have been doing there for seven years. That is rebuilding what America has destroyed.
The Iraqi people, backed by the military of TWENTY EIGHT NATIONS have finally beaten and broken America.
Just like Vietnam, you have finally been driven out, and peace will now finally come to Iraq.
All the world's nations will get together and try to rebuild the nation that America has destroyed.
Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Can you be more specific and say what these goals were that the surge achieved.
I would really like to know what was the military objective of this surge, and how it really changed anything.
What is it that has now been achieved, if it is not the discovery of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.
In the context of the Iraq War, the surge refers to United States President George W. Bush's 2007 increase in the number of American troops in order to provide security to Baghdad and Al Anbar Province.[1] The surge had been developed under the working title "The New Way Forward" and it was announced in January 2007 by Bush during a television speech.[2][3] Bush ordered the deployment of more than 20,000 soldiers into Iraq, five additional brigades, and sent the majority of them into Baghdad.[2] He also extended the tour of most of the Army troops in country and some of the Marines already in the Anbar Province area.[2] The President described the overall objective as establishing a "...unified, democratic federal Iraq that can govern itself, defend itself, and sustain itself, and is an ally in the War on Terror."[3] The major element of the strategy was a change in focus for the US military "to help Iraqis clear and secure neighborhoods, to help them protect the local population, and to help ensure that the Iraqi forces left behind are capable of providing the security".[2]The President stated that the surge would then provide the time and conditions conducive to reconciliation among political and ethnic factions.[3]
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Well if it hadn't been for numb nuts George Bush, the whole bloody thing could have been avoided.
Originally posted by johnny2127
Sure, no problem:
The President described the overall objective as establishing a "...unified, democratic federal Iraq that can govern itself, defend itself, and sustain itself, and is an ally in the War on Terror."[3] The major element of the strategy was a change in focus for the US military "to help Iraqis clear and secure neighborhoods, to help them protect the local population, and to help ensure that the Iraqi forces left behind are capable of providing the security".[2]The President stated that the surge would then provide the time and conditions conducive to reconciliation among political and ethnic factions.[3]
Originally posted by Silver Shadow
So why did all this goodness for the Iraqi people require a forceful invasion, which the Iraqis then successfully resisted for seven years.
The only requirement to clear and secure neighborhoods was to make it safe for Americans.
Don't you understand, if Chinese helicopter gunships were machine gunning Americans in America, you would be doing exactly what the Iraqi "insurgents" have been doing. The insurgents are just ordinary Iraqi Joes defending their homes, families, and country.
The military of many other nations were already there in Iraq, and are still there right now, and have never been fired upon.
Countries like Australia and Canada were there, and are still there, and have never suffered a single combat death in Iraq to this very day.
Basically America went in there guns blazing killing the ordinary civilian people, and you call it freeing Iraq from terrorists and insurgents.
There was never a security problem in Iraq until America invaded the place.
When America has left Iraq, the war will be over.
The US military wants to maintain the myth that it somehow turned round the war in Iraq by means of ‘the surge’ and emerged successfully from the conflict.
This claim was always exaggerated. The insurgency against the US occupation was rooted in the Sunni Arab community and when this was defeated by Shia government and militia forces in 2006-7 the Sunni had little choice but look for an accommodation with the Americans.
The most important change in Iraq was more to do with outcome of the Shia-Sunni struggle than US military tactical innovations.