Obama's New Burka rev. manning challenge to obama

Originally posted by FrancoUn-American
reply to post by dereks

 

Im not a "birther"

As all birthers claim not to be.

I think it would have been wiser for him to just show the damn birth certificate way back when they first started talking about it,

Exactly and he did just that.

But you know what? The white armed chair revolutionaries did not accept that. So far as they and you are concerned, as long as that black muslim socialist stays in power, he will always be ineligible. Nothing he does will ever change that and thats just how it works in your world.

instead of waiting and outright refusing

He's already shown his birthcertificate. Your issue is that Obama is not coming to your house and proving to you personally because people like you and in the tea parties have this high horse mentality. I am sorry but the world does not stop for you. The elections did not go your way, its nobody's problem but your own.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


You are really getting boring...

No, I don't care about US polotics that much but I do like to see reasonable debate and answers..

None of which you have shown..

No, Obama has never shown his full BC, just an extract.

Yes, there are still questions about his past that he refuses to answer...

They are facts..Argue them all you want but they will not change...

"He that has nothing to hide hides nothing"

Until you come up with real answers I can't be bothered responding..

Oh goodness, you are still posting in this thread. Amazing for somebody who does not supposedly care.

Originally posted by CynicalM
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

You are really getting boring.

Was never under the impression I needed to entertain you?

No, I don't care about US poloticsanswers

So you don't care, but you care to argue? Especially following the fact you claimed Bush had a Texan birth certificate, you clearly are not interested in debating the facts.

No, Obama has never shown his full BC,

Obama has shown his birthcertificate, no different than I have shown and used mine over the years. Neither can you account for every other president having shown their long form birth certificates.

Yes, there are still questions about his past

You have your own fabricated questions. None of which amount to anything other than to drift aimlessly among conspiracy forums.

They are facts..Argue them all you want

What facts? I was not under the impression that 'questions' were 'facts'?

Until you come up with real answers I can't be bothered responding

And yet you continue to respond and post don't you? To you this man is a complete conspiracy within himself, and nothing he does will change that. I do not know why you really dislike him, but it certainly does not appear to be of any relevance to the constitution or to the welfare of this nation.

Originally posted by CynicalM
No, Obama has never shown his full BC, just an extract.

Just another birther lie, that is all Hawaii issues now....

Yes, there are still questions about his past that he refuses to answer

Such as what exactl? When was Obama asked them, and by whom?

They are facts

No, they are just claims, not facts. So exactly what questions has Obama refused to answer?

I keep posting for the entertainment value

It's incredible to see how much you guys can write without saying anything..

Same ole, same ole, nothing answered...

Show me the proper, full BC...

Thats all your so called "birthers" have asked for..

Surely a Pres could open the vault and do that, then laugh at all the birthers..

It aint hard guys.

Originally posted by CynicalM
I keep posting for the entertainment value

Ah yes, back once again. After insisting you would not respond, you once again replied.

Show me the proper, full BC

Why must anybody show you more evidence again?

Thats all your so called "birthers" have asked for..

Birthers asked for a birth certificate and they got one. They refuse to accept it, that is nobody's problem.

then laugh at all the birthers..

Who said his not laughing now? You clearly are not aware of howmuch of a burden the birther movement is to the Republican party.

It aint hard guys.

It may be hard, it may not be hard. At the end of the day he is not required to show anything further, neither should he be bothered.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

So you don't care, but you care to argue? Especially following the fact you claimed Bush had a Texan birth certificate, you clearly are not interested in debating the facts.

Now please dont go missquoting me..Thats underhanded..
my post was,

Yes Bush did show his but they called fake..
Or so this link says..

electivedecisions.wordpress.com...

Clearly I stated they called fake..

If you want to debate then please atleast read my post a little better

reply to post by Southern Guardian


"Oh but it is a birth certificate regardless of what mumbo jumbo birthers care to add next to it. I have been using my birth certificate for the vast majority of my life and I have never had an issue with it. I actually only discovered this term 'short form' after the birthers brought it up in 2008 for the first time. I have never for the life of me met anybody dumb enough to carry a 40 year old two paged birth certificate to the DMV. Who on earth keeps such an old document and carries it around them to the DMV? Its this idiotic argument from birthers that makes no sense in real life.”

Most people, just incase, keep there 40yr old birth certificate in a vault, safe or somewhere safe just for this exact reason! The fact that you think that it is dumb says a lot about you!
Oh and I think the standards you have to meet to be president should be a bit higher than proving your old enough to by beer. Don't you?

"In anycase while we are discussing the fact that Obama has not met the birthers personal criteria by not presenting his 'long form' birth certificate, can you account for all the previous 43 presidents having shown their long form birth certificates during their presidential terms?"

Your right but they had a long history of people knowing who they were, including their parents and relatives.

[edit on 9/2/10 by xyankee]

[edit on 9/2/10 by xyankee]

Originally posted by xyankee
Your right but they had a long history of people knowing who they were, including their parents and relatives.

Just like Obama! All because you think Obama should have come around to your place and introduce himself before he ran for President, and he did not you claim he has no history!

reply to post by dereks


No, not just like Obama..
He was concieved out of wedlock..
Had two fathers before he was six..
Both parents died young..

Although both families are made out to be poor, goat hearders etc, these people managed to act like jetsetters at a time when airfare was out of the reach of normal families..

Amazing stuff

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by xyankee
Your right but they had a long history of people knowing who they were, including their parents and relatives.

Just like Obama! All because you think Obama should have come around to your place and introduce himself before he ran for President, and he did not you claim he has no history!

I don’t want him to introduce himself to me but it would be nice to have info that he claims, backed up by proof. How about his questionable social security numbers (more than one) or school records? Just satisfy the voters who are skeptical. Humor them, be the better man!

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The president already showed his birth certificate, it was verified by the Hawaiian state government, ...

No he didn't.

And the worker in Hawaii 'verified' an admitted fake published on the internet by the left wing Daily Kos. 'Verifiying' something published on the internet, and not having the original paper in front of you, is irresponsible and impossible. You can debunk it on the internet .. but you can't verifiy it. That's absurd.

Jay McKinnon. Google is your friend.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Well, I guess that shut them up for a while. Was this the guy who was the chief elections officer for HI, who said it is a fraud?

Originally posted by xyankee
but it would be nice to have info that he claims, backed up by proof.

it is backed up by proof... but birthers refuse to accept reality!

How about his questionable social security numbers (more than one)

Just a birther lie, he has only one SS number

or school records?

What about his school records?

reply to post by dereks


Seriously mate, you are like an old broken record, saying the same BS over and over..

You know what the "birthers " want and Obama aint likely to give it to them.

Why? Because he doesn't have/want to, or because he doesn't have it to give??

Show the proof or PLEASE move along..
Again, aint that hard!!!!!!!

reply to post by xyankee

Jay McKinnon is the fella that admitted he faked the so called 'birth certificate' that was on the left wing rag internet site Daily Kos.

Originally posted by dereks
birthers refuse to accept reality!

No hon. So called 'birthers' are people who want proof that Obama is eligible to be POTUS. It's not an unreasonable request of Americans to want proof, especially considering Obama's shady and inconsistant background.

Here's some reality that YOU need to accept before you start telling others that they aren't accepting reality -

1 - No legitimate copy of his Birth Certificate has been shown to the general public - the general public who have a right to ask if he's eligible. The general public hasn't asked for one from a potential POTUS before simply because no other potential POTUS claimed to be a 'foreign student' when applying for college money and no other potential POTUS had school papers claiming foreign citizenship; etc etc.

2 - Considering how inept gov't officials are, the general public wants to know exactly what the election commission saw that made them accept Obama's eligibility to be POTUS. Gov't is full of idiots and inepts ... its' a reasonable request to see what they did.

3 - The Daily Kos forger has admitted his work. Funny that the Obama 'smears' site was backing this fake until then.

4 - Both birth announcements in the Hawaiian newspapers were wrong. The address given in them was to a place the Obamas didn't live at. They can not be used as any kind of evidence.

5 - No worker in Hawaii can 'verify authenticity' of a document that is online. That's absurd. The actual piece of paper must be in the hands of an expert to be able to do that. Documents can be debunked on the internet due to obvious errors (like Obama's father having his race listed as 'african' ), but verification is impossible.

I think Obama was born in the United States. However, it is very obvious that he's hiding his birth certificate for some reason. Mr. Transparency is afraid of something on that piece of paper and he doesn't want people to see it. That's pretty dang obvious.

[edit on 9/2/2010 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

1 - No legitimate copy of his Birth Certificate has been shown to the general public

Because the "general public" does not need to see it.

because no other potential POTUS claimed to be a 'foreign student' when applying for college money

Neither did Obama, that is just another birther lie - it was a April Fools joke that birthers fell for
www.snopes.com...

2 - Considering how inept gov't officials are, the general public wants to know exactly what the election commission saw that made them accept Obama's eligibility to be POTUS.

Yet you never asked what they saw for any other president.... but none of them were black!

3 - The Daily Kos forger has admitted his work.

That had nothing to do with Obama, or his certificate on the web...

4 - Both birth announcements in the Hawaiian newspapers were wrong.

No, that is just a birther lie as it destroys their silly claim Obama was not born in Hawaii

5 - No worker in Hawaii can 'verify authenticity' of a document that is online.

Yes they can very easily, as was done. Just yet another birther lie!

However, it is very obvious that he's hiding his birth certificate for some reason.

He is hiding it by publishing it on the web? Birthers are getting sillier by the day with their stupid claims, just how is Obama hiding something on his birth certificate by publishing it?

[edit on 2/9/10 by dereks]

Originally posted by dereks
[Because the "general public" does not need to see it.

Americans have a right to know if the rules are being followed. Remember .... By the people, for the people?? Americans have a right to know if someone is eligible to be POTUS. You want to deny them this right?

www.snopes.com...

You do realize they are no longer credible and have gone over to the dark side, don't you? (left wing agenda and clear bias)
BTW ... your link does NOT discyss what I said about the Newspaper announcments. The address was wrong. They can not be used to prove Obama was born here.

but none of them were black!

Pulling the race card is soooooo pathetic and 'last ditch'. As i said none of the others had such a shady background. None of the others claimed foreign citizenship at any time. He did. It's as simple as that.

That had nothing to do with Obama, or his certificate on the web...

Sweetie .. it has EVERYTHING to do with it because the one posted by Daily Kos is the same one that Obama claimed and the forger has admitted it.

4No, that is just a birther lie as it destroys their silly claim Obama was not born in Hawaii

Wrong. It's a fact. The newspaper announcments were wrong.

Yes they can very easily, as was done. Just yet another birther lie!

Wrong again. No 'expert' on documents can verify a document on the internet. It must be done in person. And the worker in Hawaii wasn't a 'document expert' ... just a worker. You are dead wrong on this.

He is hiding it by publishing it on the web?

Again - he didn't publish it. Daily Kos put out the fake and the 'fight the smears' website Obama set up embraced it .. until the forger came forward. Obama put nothing up.

Birthers are getting sillier by the day

Guess you missed the part where I said I believe he was born in the USA, eh? What is silly is the constant .. 'it's a birther lie' ... when the FACT is that no document expert can authenticate a document that they don't have in their own hands. That's just reality - and common sense really.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Americans have a right to know if the rules are being followed.

Yet the only President you want to check up on is black....

The address was wrong.

No it was not, that is just a birther lie...

Pulling the race card is soooooo pathetic and 'last ditch'.

Yet that is exactly why birthers are going on and on about Obama

None of the others claimed foreign citizenship at any time. He did.

No he did not, that was a April fools joke that birthers fell for, as I showed you!

it has EVERYTHING to do with it because the one posted by Daily Kos is the same one that Obama claimed and the forger has admitted it.

Still telling lies I see! www.factcheck.org...

The newspaper announcments were wrong.

No they were not, why do birthers keep telling all these lies?

Again - he didn't publish it. ........Obama put nothing up.

Still lying I see! www.factcheck.org... shows Obama's birth certificate as put up by his people...

Why do the birthers keep telling lies? because that is all that they have!

Originally posted by dereks
Yet the only President you want to check up on is black....

Again with the race card? That's sad. And you aren't listening.
His skin color doesn't matter. His murky back ground does.
Just because he has a black rolling stone daddy doesn't absolve
him of having to prove he was born here. No free pass because
his daddy came from Africa.

No it was not, that is just a birther lie...

Google is your friend. The address is a wrong.

www.factcheck.org...

Fact Check is owned by Annenberg. Obama was on their board of directors, and Annenberg was a huge financial supporter of the Obama campaign. Obama and Annenberg (fact check) are in bed with each other. They are not a credible source of information.

The Obama supporters at Annenberg (fact check) claim the announcment is bogus because a pro-Hillary Blogger posted it. They didn't do the leg work to find out if it was real or not.

AGAIN ... you aren't reading ... read what I said twice before.
I BELIEVE HE WAS PROBABLY BORN IN THE USA.

But the fact is that the online certificate forger admitted the forgery. Obama didn't post anything - he just hugged the forgery until the forger admitted it. The address' on the newspapers are wrong. There is enough question out there that the general public wants to know for sure. IT IS THEIR RIGHT to know if the POTUS is eligible. It is their right. It is their right. It is their right. Get it? It is their right. It is their right.

Someone's skin color doesn't get them off the hook, unless the race card is played and so that person gets away with things that others wouldn't get away with in similar situations. That's called '______ privilege' And you are extending 'black privilege' to Obama simply based on the color of his skin - which is irrelevant to most people who simply want proof of eligibility.