I believe that it does exist, just not in service at this moment. I believe that they have working prototypes and that they are soon to be ready for service. It was recently reported than on 27 September 1995 David Morris of Walsall, Cornwall UK took a picture of a triangular shaped plane being refueled by a KC-135, and flanked by a pair of F-111s. The unknown aircraft appeared to be about three-quarters the size of the KC-135. There is your proof. I don't believe in alien UFO's, but some sort of military plane, escorted by USAF fighters, was refueling.

Too bad that photo was a fake. Otherwise I'd say you were right that it does exist. One of the biggest problem is that where they claim to be from doesn't exist apparently. Walsall and Cornwall are separate areas, and at opposite ends of the country.

I think that it does exist. I have a photo of it (I don't know if it is real or not) but something might exist. It might just a F-23 black widow or someother military aircraft.

Put your picture up then. There are a lot of members on here that will be able to tell you pretty quickly what it is.

Originally posted by galm 1
It was recently reported than on 27 September 1995 David Morris of Walsall, Cornwall UK took a picture of a triangular shaped plane being refueled by a KC-135, and flanked by a pair of F-111s. The unknown aircraft appeared to be about three-quarters the size of the KC-135

I already pointed out this error as well in a thread before this one and the proof and links and quotes and PICTURE are all in the debunked thread with more then eough evidence to prove the sighting and phot faked. Please refrain from continuing to post information you have already been told is faked. Did you not read my post earlier?

It was recently reported than on 27 September 1995 David Morris of Walsall, Cornwall UK took a picture of a triangular shaped plane being refueled by a KC-135, and flanked by a pair of F-111s. The unknown aircraft appeared to be about three-quarters the size of the KC-135. This picture has been widely distributed. However, the "refuelling" picture is a hoax -- it was montaged by Bill Rose for the October 1995 issue of Astronomy Now (UK) magazine. There, it is captioned "A simulation of the refuelling of the top secret 'Aurora'. Photo composition by Bill Rose

The following is a known fake of the Aurora by a UK chap who thought it would be a great April fools day joke. Either way it create quite the stir when it was released in the mag.



[edit on 22/08/06 by Canada_EH]

Thanks, I have the same picture and info. I got the info from www.fas.org
I don't know how to input the pictures.

Even without being told that picture is fake, I can see several flaws with it.

1. They would never be flying Aurora over a populated area in the daytime. They would do their refueling over the Atlantic, where it could stay high and fast, and not be seen on the ground.

2. They would never have escorts flying with it. Speed and altitude are the safety factors for high speed/high altitude planes, such as the SR-71. Escorts would cause them to come down in both.

3. The "escorts" are positioned wrong. If they're escorting a plane doing a refueling like that, they would be on either side of it. They don't fly both on one side, they fly on both sides, so they can see things going on with the plane refueling and if there are any problems.

4. The only escort they would have for this plane would be another Aurora. If this plane is so classified that no one has seen it, they're not going to be flying other planes anywhere near the tanker when it's refueling one.

Originally posted by galm 1
Thanks, I have the same picture and info. I got the info from www.fas.org
I don't know how to input the pictures.

I just sent you a U2U that hopefully should help you figure it out. If its easier and you dont think you want to upload to many photos I can provide you with my email and you can send it to me. Just give the U2U a read first though and let me know whats up. Cheers EH

Originally posted by Zaphod58
4. The only escort they would have for this plane would be another Aurora. If this plane is so classified that no one has seen it, they're not going to be flying other planes anywhere near the tanker when it's refueling one.

Zaphod58,

You made a Great post, Execpt for this statement! Escorts, as you are referring to are what most of us call Chase Planes.

When they have a chase plane for testing or training flights, it's Never the same type as the aircraft that is being tested or trained on. Here are a few examples:

F-117A used the A-7D Corsair as a chase plane until 1991 whne they switched over the T-38

The F-22 Raptor uses either an F-15 or F-16 (usually the F-15)

the B-2 Spirit uses a T-38

Chase planes are always an older, well proven aircraft that flies along with the aircraft being chased. The type of plane being used for chase is irrelivent to security, as the pilot of that aircraft is either an instructor pilot (IP) for the plane he's chasing or a test pilot cleared to fly the plane he's chasing.

Tim

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Ghost01]

Yah, I know that, but this picture was over the UK, which would have made it an operational flight. They don't use chase planes of any sort on operational flights, and as high security as the Aurora is the only one that I can see being used in that case would be another Aurora. Chase planes are used almost exclusively in test flights, and I CAN NOT see them doing a test flight with this highly classified plane over a populated area in the UK, in broad daylight.

Having another Aurora with it would also give them a backup capability. If the first couldn't take on fuel for some reason, he lands, and the backup takes the mission.

If this was a test flight, then I'd agree with you that the chase planes would be an F-15 or F-16, or something like that. However on an operational flight, the only thing I could see flying near it would be a backup Aurora, especially if this was a vital mission and they HAD to have the data.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yah, I know that, but this picture was over the UK, which would have made it an operational flight. They don't use chase planes of any sort on operational flights. . .

Oops! I missed the part about the sighting being over the UK. I though we were talking about one of the sighting over the southwest USA. Sorry, right though, wrong place.

Tim

*laugh* No sweat ghost. I've done it a few times myself. Hey at least this time I got a comment. I typed up a nice response in another thread, put pictures and everything in it, and no one said a word about it.

Getting back to the subject, something does exist. Like I said, it might be something else. So I have one question, is the Aurora just a spy plane, or is it also a bomber (that is assuming that the project really does exist. Which I believe that it does!)?

Originally posted by galm 1
Getting back to the subject, something does exist. Like I said, it might be something else. So I have one question, is the Aurora just a spy plane, or is it also a bomber (that is assuming that the project really does exist. Which I believe that it does!)?

Well yes, something called Aurora did exist, it was on that budget (even though no one can find a copy of it). The official explanation was that it was a project related to the B-2. Except for that no one knows whether its recon or a bomber, hypersonic or subsonic, everything else is speculation.

Found that pic recently up here dunno if its been discussed before but it seemed fairly close to what some drawings and models predict.
Anyway i just wanted to share it with u guys !!

for this thread !!!

Originally posted by gfad
Well yes, something called Aurora did exist, it was on that budget (even though no one can find a copy of it). The official explanation was that it was a project related to the B-2. Except for that no one knows whether its recon or a bomber, hypersonic or subsonic, everything else is speculation.

Gfad,

While I haven't seen the budget document myself, it has always been my understanding that the "Aurora" tag was listed in the reconnassance aircraft section right after the SR-71 Blackbird. I heard that it was the fact that it was listed right after the Blackbird that originally lead to the speculation that it was a sucessor to the Blackbird. If this is correct, it would suggest that Aurora was some kind of spy plane. Beyond that I can't add anything useful to your statement.

Tim

Is there anyone that would of seen the document before it was pulled from the public etc or was it a public document that should be at washington? Good questions I think that don't get brought up enough. Its the document that the story rests on and no one seems to find it. Not saying it never existed its just that a document like that would of been hard to destory every copy.

Originally posted by Canada_EH
Is there anyone that would of seen the document before it was pulled from the public etc or was it a public document that should be at washington? Good questions I think that don't get brought up enough. Its the document that the story rests on and no one seems to find it. Not saying it never existed its just that a document like that would of been hard to destory every copy.

Exactly. I started a thread a bit ago called Search for the Original Aurora or something like that, but no one has ever seen the actual document. Aurora is a word thrown about so often on these boards it would be nice to see the source of the rumour.

I posted back on that orginal thread and hopefully there is some renewed interest in looking for the truth. I'm wondering gfad where your hunt left off and where we can go from here. lets try to get a hunt going for Aurora document on your orginal thread.