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reply posted on 3-9-2006 @ 05:13 AM by apex
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Originally posted by Tea
Does anyone have a direct link to the USGS seismographic page? I'd like to look at the stuff there.
I know what you mean, the "Skyquake" phenomenom (I don't think I've spelt that right) is cited as proof, but I've never seen anywhere this
couldbe. Anyway USGS is a government agency, so they shouldn't be able to mention it.
Here it is anyway:
earthquake.usgs.gov...
The Aurora project will have been renamed after the censors slip anyway. It allows for a convenient denial for the government as well;
"Do you have a plane called the Aurora?"
"No". Simple really, sort of like Area 51 is the public name for it, but Groom lake is the proper name.
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reply posted on 3-9-2006 @ 05:37 AM by gfad
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Thats very true, people cite all this evidence that seems to be reprinted in every conspiracy book regarding Aurora but finding the original official
source can be quite difficult. I'd love to see the skyquake data, or the photos of donuts on a rope contrails crossing russia directly to Area 51.
Also I dont think it would make that much difference that the USGS is a government agency, they are not under the jurisdiction of the AF or the CIA,
whoever is operating this mythical craft.
Finally just to be picky, Area 51 was at one time one of the official names of the base there,
here is a map published unclassified by the Los Alamos Labs. In the toxic materials
court case, the judge decided to go ahead without ever knowing the actual name of the base, it was always referred to as "The Air Force's Operating
Location Near Groom Lake, Nevada". Its official name is actually Detachment 3 of the Air Force Flight Test Center.
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reply posted on 5-9-2006 @ 01:07 PM by ghost
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Originally posted by Scramjet76
If you look at what he wrote it is a bit confusing. First of all, he misspelled Aurora. Next, he is the one claiming facts. Next, he says Aurora
was listed right after SR-71 Blackbird. That doesn't weaken the case for a "top secret craft," it strengthens it. Next, the section apparently
reads "Air Breathing Reconnaissance Platform." These are his words and not mine. Air Breathing means it doesn't need an oxidizer (like space
vehicles) and therefore moves in our atmosphere. Everyone knows what Reconn is. That is what the SR-71 was made for. And Platform could mean
anything. Again, this does not weaken the possibility of a top secret craft.
Again no one knows. Hypersonic is one possibility to improve upon the SR-71. Maybe the successor isn't any faster but creates much less of a sonic
boom. Maybe the successor isn't faster than the SR-71 but can attain such speeds at lower altitudes because of new technology aimed at maximizing
the airflow around the vehicle. Maybe the Aurora is an experimental ice cream truck!
Hold on! I never said Aurora wasn't Top Secret, and I never siad it wasn't an aircraft. I only asked how Aurora became hypersonic. It could easily
be subsonic, and extreemly stealthy.
Once Again, you are assuming meaning that aren't there!
Tim
P.S. Sorry about the typo, anyone can goof up!
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reply posted on 5-9-2006 @ 01:27 PM by marcopolo
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their is a plane called the Aurora bomber in the game c&c generals it is i believe a supersonic aircraft capable of evading any air-missile attack
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reply posted on 5-9-2006 @ 10:03 PM by intelgurl
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Here's one for you guys to ponder....
Aviation Week & Space Technology; 09/04/2006, page 19
What appeared to be a "pulser" contrail was photographed over Santa Fe, N.M., at 2:26 MDT on Aug. 16 within seconds of being created by an unknown
aircraft. Steven Sande, a professional civil engineer and president of Raven Solutions, says the contrail's discrete puffs were formed by "a
fast-moving aircraft at very high altitude." It was flying due north initially, then gradually turned north-northwest. Sande and his wife, a Lockheed
Martin employee who worked on the Titan rocket program for 25 years, say they heard no noise from the aircraft. Its contrail was short-lived,
dissipating within approximately a minute.
Source:
Mysterious "pulser" contrail: Aviation Week & Space Technology
09/04/2006, page 19
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reply posted on 6-9-2006 @ 08:35 AM by phsyco
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maybe the plane exists or it might have been mistaken for a b-2.its really silent.and the part of the seconds might need to be proven how many
seconds. im someone who usually doesnt belive in the part "hupersonic" get this.that picture this time doesnt mean anything.so i need the picture of
this thing flying.sorry if i offended you intelgurl. 
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reply posted on 6-9-2006 @ 09:03 AM by intelgurl
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Originally posted by phsyco
.sorry if i offended you intelgurl.
No offense taken.
I would not have even posted it had it not been in the latest Aviation Week.
They are generally reliable (with the exception of that Blackstar article a couple of months back) and it's strange that they would have any
reference to this at all.
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reply posted on 6-9-2006 @ 09:26 AM by gfad
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I guess they put it in because it apparently came from a knowledgable and reliable witness. Its quite an impressive pic but I agree with the above
poster that what we all want is a photo of an actual craft in flight.
Im always v dubious about all these pics of contrails since ive seen a few formed by normal planes that have been whipped up by high altitude winds
into wierd shapes even, and they were made by the 13:35 to New York or whatever not a secret PDE plane!
Also there was a post on here a bit back, by ignorant monkey I think, that made that point that if a PDE was operating at a predicted 5000 or 10000
pulses a second, even at very supersonic speed the contrail pulses would be indistinguishable and just form one long trail not one like in the pic.
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reply posted on 6-9-2006 @ 10:00 AM by intelgurl
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Originally posted by gfad
Im always v dubious about all these pics of contrails since ive seen a few formed by normal planes that have been whipped up by high altitude winds
into wierd shapes even, and they were made by the 13:35 to New York or whatever not a secret PDE plane!
Well, it actually does not have to be some exotic hypersonic spy craft with PDE, it could be an experimental PDE and be much slower, there is in fact
a Rutan Long-EZ with pulse detonation that may be flying near these witnesses in AW&ST.
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reply posted on 6-9-2006 @ 10:47 AM by phsyco
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so this spy plane is hypersonic.some times I wonder how hupersonic crafts can be bulit. made sure the aerodynamics of the plane seems to be pretty
much okay.And i saw that craft in a vedio game I played a long time ago.ace combat 3.its kind of unbeliveable.info might have been leaked but then
again i would also like the technical data of this plane.we might know something about the engine.atleast.Dont you all think so.crew piolet(if they
carry any or if remote controlled)wing span etc.
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reply posted on 6-9-2006 @ 02:44 PM by gfad
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Originally posted by phsyco
so this spy plane is hypersonic.some times I wonder how hupersonic crafts can be bulit. made sure the aerodynamics of the plane seems to be pretty
much okay.And i saw that craft in a vedio game I played a long time ago.ace combat 3.its kind of unbeliveable.info might have been leaked but then
again i would also like the technical data of this plane.we might know something about the engine.atleast.Dont you all think so.crew piolet(if they
carry any or if remote controlled)wing span etc.
We dont know anything about Aurora, in fact its existance is pretty sketchy at most so I dont think anyone knows its wingspan etc. I dont really even
think it exists personally and I dont know how you have got the info that its hypersonic.
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reply posted on 7-9-2006 @ 03:46 AM by phsyco
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This time I wuold say try the first page gfad.by the way i dont belive in hypersonic either.practically who would. 
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reply posted on 7-9-2006 @ 12:01 PM by Strangerous
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Is it me or does that image of Aurora look remarkably like HOTOL?
So UK has a design for a hypersonic aircraft (apparently feasible) which is cancelled due to cost, and at about the same time the US seems to develop
a hypersonic aircraft.
HOTOL was developed by BAe which is now a major US defence contractor
Mere coincidence? Old news?
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reply posted on 7-9-2006 @ 02:00 PM by Scramjet76
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Once Again, you are assuming meaning that aren't there!
Ok Ghost I didn't mean to imply you meant something if it's not true. I felt the same way you did. People assumed that I was stating "Aurora IS
the SR-71 replacement and IS hypersonic. I never said such things. You are correct.... Aurora could be a secret plane.... The thing is, WHY is it
"top secret?" To warrant such classification it would use some sort of "exotic" technology. Hypersonic is simply one guess as to what exotic
capabilities it might possess.
I found the following on en.wikipedia.org...
Definitely not a smoking gun but interesting nonetheless... what do you all think?
In May 2006, the British Ministry of Defence (MoD) released an extensive report on Unexplained Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) in the UK air defence
area.[8] It was written by the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS) in 2000 and was originally classified "SECRET UK eyes only". It is unusual because
it contains official comments on "black" programmes. One of the Working Papers is entitled ""BLACK" AND OTHER AIRCRAFT AS UAP EVENTS". It says
"it is acknowledged that some UAP sightings can be attributed to covert aircraft programmes". The report lists three "Western" programmes which
might result in this — all of which appear to be American (right side image). The first — not surprisingly — is the SR-71. Programme 2 and
Programme 3 are redacted from the report — even their names are withheld.
Two photos or representations have also been removed from the file before release. Adjacent sections freely talk about the F-117, B-2 and F-22, and
show photos of these aircraft; so these programmes appear to be something different.
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reply posted on 9-9-2006 @ 11:43 AM by gfad
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Originally posted by phsyco
This time I wuold say try the first page gfad.by the way i dont belive in hypersonic either.practically who would.
To be quite honest the original article is written as thought its content is fact. It is anything but. It is basically a collection of anecdotal
stories with varying degrees of trust-worthy-ness.
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reply posted on 9-9-2006 @ 12:49 PM by GhosTBR55
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I think this plane does exist, Only reason why its been hidden for so long because it would be to valuble to leek. Think about it > a HYPER SONIC
BOMBER thats has enough alltitude to attack from the atmossphere.
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reply posted on 9-9-2006 @ 11:43 PM by Murcielago
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Originally posted by ghost
I only asked how Aurora became hypersonic. It could easily be subsonic, and extreemly stealthy.
people connected the dots.
Between the U-2 & the Blackbird, 3 main things happened in the recon area:Faster, Higher, Stealthier. Theres no reason to think that the trend
didn't continue.
I think Aurora had something the others didn't, and thats first strike capability.
PDE's weren't very far along then...but ramjets were. Its likely a mach 5-6 recon aircraft, with a small payload (just incase they see something
that needs to be delt with immediatly).
just my 2 cents
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reply posted on 9-9-2006 @ 11:55 PM by intelgurl
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What if it's not hypersonic at all - just a step beyond the SR-71, ie: high supersonic?
More advanced propulsion, just not ultra advanced propulsion.
Mach 4-5 is not impossible for a ramjet, in fact dual-mode scramjets operate as ramjets up to around mach 5.
Just a thought.
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reply posted on 10-9-2006 @ 08:40 AM by gfad
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Many people seem to believe that Aurora is a stealthy hypersonic plane, but both of these adjectives produce an incredible hurdle.
Everyone knows how difficult it is to reach hypersonic speeds for a sustainable amount of time, but at these speeds the skin of the aircraft would be
reaching up to 1500 oC and higher.
This creates a secondary problem of how to hide the infra-red signature of the plane and keep it stealthy. This was a problem that the Lockheed
engineers didnt ever overcome on the Blackbird and that "only" reached Mach 3.3.
If Aurora did exist I would really like to know how this was done, and until someone proves Aurora exists this is going to be a serious point of
contention for me.
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reply posted on 10-9-2006 @ 12:16 PM by Murcielago
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I'm sure the heat was one of the biggest hurdles of the program. But there not going to want to reveal an aircraft that could do mach 6 without
breakin a sweat.
I'm sure they would want to leave that hurdle in place for the rest of the world to also solve.
At those mach 5-6 speeds the aircrafts edges could get to around 1500 F, but theres metals out there that have a melting point 4X higher then that,
and then theres composites...
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