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reply posted on 7-2-2006 @ 08:55 AM by bios
I am far from a believer that antigravity is a technology that has been harnessed by mankind. Strangely enough my better half who works in the defense industry does believe that there is adequate evidence for vehicles that manipulate gravity, but I will believe it when I see it.
But just for giggles I'll play devil's advocate:

Originally posted by ch1466
Blah, blah, blah.

What /possible/ military advantage could be so extreme as to justify any 'secret program' which permitted this, almost 15 years after the fall of the Berlin wall (and the Cold War ended)?

Seeing how the entire physical paradigm of this planet revolves around gravity then the manipulation of gravity as a weapon could have a profound impact on the occupants of this planet.
Gravity weapon applications could range from the pinpoint squishing of one adversary to crushing an entire city, causing earthquakes or creating tsunamis aimed at a particular land mass, etc.
Proliferation of technology like that could be far worse than proliferation of nuclear weapons and thus potentially worse than "Hitler and the death camps" or "the Enola Gay and Hiroshima".

There are no magic death rays. No flying saucers (do these ships have anti-inertial 'damper' systems btw? If not, none of the fantastical accelerations and multi-axis maneuvers they are accredited with would be possible if men were aboard).

Of course we are talking about something that is shear fantasy, but IF there were a vehicle that could propel itself by manipulating gravity, why couldn't that same vehicle be able to manipulate gravity within the "cockpit" thus eliminating the potential of splattering the human occupant into mush when conducting high "g" maneuvers.

Because if it was true and they had 'reserved' these technologies or capabilities for their own use, they would have commited the greatest act of treason against mankind since Hitler and the Death Camps. Or the Enola Gay and Hiroshima.

And since when has the military not resorted to crimes against humanity to accomplish it's goals?
By your own statements you obviously don't think that those who call the shots in the higher echelons of the military are righteous and noble in in their endeavors, and yet you think that they would not suppress information that could help humanity. Where is your consistency?

[edit on 2/7/2006 by bios]


reply posted on 8-2-2006 @ 09:46 AM by ch1466
Bios,

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I am far from a believer that antigravity is a technology that has been harnessed by mankind.
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Then read the signs and stopping feeding the dumb animals.

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Seeing how the entire physical paradigm of this planet revolves around gravity then the manipulation of gravity as a weapon could have a profound impact on the occupants of this planet.
Gravity weapon applications could range from the pinpoint squishing of one adversary to crushing an entire city, causing earthquakes or creating tsunamis aimed at a particular land mass, etc.
Proliferation of technology like that could be far worse than proliferation of nuclear weapons and thus potentially worse than "Hitler and the death camps" or "the Enola Gay and Hiroshima".
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Easy technology that can be readily replicated tends to be easily developed whether or not you are high-tech in the accepted sense. It's much more likely that the sheer physics of any such device requires orders of magnitude improvements in BOTH the base engineering and production designs as well as empowerment.

You want to create a situation in which these weapons you 'potentially' describe are used as assassin's tools? You make sure that nobody knows what to look for. That it's 'all a surprise'.

You want to avoid the social inequities of a global civilization based on slave labor 'trade', you enable the baseline of ALL mercantile efforts: cheap transport. For it is in the transit phase that value is generated and destroyed by lag and effort. Profit and developmental expansion of opportunities for same only occur when 'the spice flows' as a function of creating a greater harmonized availability of resources for all.

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Of course we are talking about something that is shear fantasy, but IF there were a vehicle that could propel itself by manipulating gravity, why couldn't that same vehicle be able to manipulate gravity within the "cockpit" thus eliminating the potential of splattering the human occupant into mush when conducting high "g" maneuvers.
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Gravity is an omniwave phenomenon, it doesn't deal with mass so much as space. Even if you go off on a Neutrino tangent as Conserved Momentum Stealer (deal breaker on linear motion through BD) the fact remains that Mass as a macro interactive form doesn't need to invoke /gravity/ to exert or alter it's vector state as an independent motion.

Nor is gravity apt to be so strong (given the size of the world we sit on and it's relative effect on oursevles) as a local force as to be able to defeat inertia on it's own.

i.e. Gravity doesn't 'stick' to any one mass or axes of motion, it is implied as the total interaction between greater and lesser bodies. Where's the interaction between a pilot, his relatively loosely packed guts and the chair he's supposed to be anchored to? Are you telling me you can control ALL microinertial vectors or just that you only tear cell walls in certain places, if the guy is locked down prone and 'horizontal' to the implied axes of motion?

Baaaah.

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And since when has the military not resorted to crimes against humanity to accomplish it's goals?
By your own statements you obviously don't think that those who call the shots in the higher echelons of the military are righteous and noble in in their endeavors, and yet you think that they would not suppress information that could help humanity. Where is your consistency?
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$$$$. It makes more sense to exploit something than to hold it in reserve. Since the principle exertion of power is not for it's own sake (especially when withheld as a statifying entropic force) but to effect other elements of social existence, there has to be more gained than lost here and I don't see it.

CONCLUSION:
The obvious analogue is 9/11. Disrupt a mass with another mass and you must literally fill the void created by the resulting entry-exit 'wound' by virtue of relative displacement of local accelerations 'in all axes' of building kinetic motion (potentialism as a chaotic force). This in turn means that not only must you be able to vary gravitational wave phenomenon through the empty 'space' and each relative structural acceleration mode adjoining to it. But also through the structures contiguous mass effects /on each other/.

I don't see it happening as an electromagnetic (circuits made and broken) separation of phenomenon. Any more than I do as a flat-earth 'levelling' mechanism for terrorists or nation states.

And yet, if the technology was there to cause it to be avoided (we have always known that some high rising structure would fall due to accident, engineering faux pax, construction misassembly, unplanned fatigue or environmental reasons), I don't see the gain inherent to NOT 'yanking on the bootstrap' to avoid some 400 billion dollars worth of wasted effort in Iraq.

i.e. More Money (making opportunities) can be created by building up than tearing down. If this were not true, our own system of Cold War politick would never have succeeded in providing us an alternative to open conflict.


KPl.


reply posted on 15-4-2006 @ 02:50 AM by Figher Master FIN
Originally posted by Pleiadian Recon
Ok, much as we would all love this to be the disclosure we have all been waiting for....I don't buy it !!!
Yes there have been multiple eye witness accounts of disc shaped flying vehicles in and around Iraq, but.........to admit to reverse engineered technology would be to to admit that Roswell, and the like, were real.
This would be too much of a Quantum Leap for our Government who have gone to great lengths to cover up anything purporting to be extraterrestrial in origin.
I suspect that because there have been so many recent accounts of UFOs that the Government, faced with overwhelming accounts of flying discs had to come up with a plausible story.
The "Weather Balloon" story is getting very old and stale now. So much easier to say that these are a new kind of aircraft. Think on this.....remember how much secrecy there was around the F-117 Stealth Fighter. The rumors were prolific for years! Even then our Government denied such a plane existed. Do you really think they would declare that UFOs were for real? Disclosure is unlikely in any event!

Maybe our Extraterrestrial visitors are visiting to watch these stupid little pink beings on the eve of their own Nuclear destruction. Now from an ET point of view that has to be the Greatest Show in this sector of the Milky Way. For sure, if I was an ET I would buy a ticket....wouldn't you?


Where is your evidence... You can't just think here... I understand your point, but that doesn't really proove anything...
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