China pouring thousands of troops in Kashmir

What the hell?

China's Discreet Hold on Pakistan's Northern Borderlands

While the world focuses on the flood-ravaged Indus River valley, a quiet geopolitical crisis is unfolding in the Himalayan borderlands of northern Pakistan, where Islamabad is handing over de facto control of the strategic Gilgit-Baltistan region in the northwest corner of disputed Kashmir to China.

But reports from a variety of foreign intelligence sources, Pakistani journalists and Pakistani human rights workers reveal two important new developments in Gilgit-Baltistan: a simmering rebellion against Pakistani rule and the influx of an estimated 7,000 to 11,000 soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army.

China wants a grip on the region to assure unfettered road and rail access to the Gulf through Pakistan.

Many of the P.L.A. soldiers entering Gilgit-Baltistan are expected to work on the railroad. Some are extending the Karakoram Highway, built to link China’s Sinkiang Province with Pakistan. Others are working on dams, expressways and other projects.

Mystery surrounds the construction of 22 tunnels in secret locations where Pakistanis are barred. Tunnels would be necessary for a projected gas pipeline from Iran to China that would cross the Himalayas through Gilgit. But they could also be used for missile storage sites.

Is it really about oil? Is it about China keeping their Pakistani ally by crushing the rebellion? Or is it about India?

Fact is they are not leaving...

Until recently, the P.L.A. construction crews lived in temporary encampments and went home after completing their assignments. Now they are building big residential enclaves clearly designed for a long-term presence.

Pakistan still a US ally?

What is happening in the region matters to Washington for two reasons. Coupled with its support for the Taliban, Islamabad’s collusion in facilitating China’s access to the Gulf makes clear that Pakistan is not a U.S. “ally.”

Still we give them billion of $... Are we funding and arming the chinese? After all, the military hardware we give to Pakistan is probably ending up in Chinese hands for back-engineering...

America's government, funding our enemies once again.

While you brought up oil. I found a picture online that explains oil and oil consumption in the world.
www.autoinsurancecenter.com...

reply to post by Vitchilo



The New Great Game Anybody?

I'm going to monitor this story, this thread can go any which way, it doesn't matter. The article and this developing situation should be watched.

It was only a matter of time before China with it's growing influence moved into the region. So now here we go. This will not only affect the US in Afghanistan but also Paki/India relations. Speaking of Afghanistan now we know yet another possible reason why the US/West/NATO are in the region.

Think tanks saw this possible development a couple of decades ago.

I don't understand the conclusion here. China is America's ally and trade partner, why would it be 'aiding America's enemies' to allow China's growing economy access to the oil supplies that it so desperately needs?

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


The People's Republic of China is neither an Ally or Enemy.
en.wikipedia.org...

Another possible reason

China, Pakistan, and India all have disputed territories. All three have nukes. All three have fought each other in last 50 years.

China just might be making a statement on how fast it can deploy troops into an area that was considered hard to get to.

Id tend to the opinion that whatever China can do to exertits influence, either military or economic, it weill do.
China is the home of Sun Tzu....the definitive Art of War being written long before america existed.
Perhaps it would be a good place to start for everyone to atleast skim that book, for a peek into the Chinese way of thinking.
I am positive that if they can accomplish either their betterment, or our detriment they will use all, and any trick or deception to do so.
Allies or no China is for China and nobody else.....
It would be smart if we admitted this now instead of pretending we can get along in future.....
I am counting on India, to absorb the brunt of war with the chinese, which is an absolute eventuality as far as i can see....
There isnt room for two such largely populated nations side by side...
Either they neutralise each other...or combine into an unbeatable force....
One or the other are bound to occur.
Perhaps twenty years or sooner by my guestimate.

Right on Stirling, my thoughts exactly.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Very Interesting, now we see the Red Dragon Flexing its military muscle. China has been very, very patient since the Boxer Rebellion, Foreign occupation, and Communist takeover. They want to show the world that they are A Super Power. It will be interesting to see how this turns out with the Number one and Two populations via for dominance.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by poedxsoldiervet]

Maybe they are building 'arks' aka the film 2012 in that region away from prying eyes....

Just a thought...!

I do agree though with Stirling on this one.. The chances of an India / Chinese spat are high as populations bulge and resources grow thinner!!

Regards

PurpleDOG UK

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China was doing a pretty good job of marketing itself (or perhaps being marketed by western governments) as a US/Western ally, up until a couple of years ago, after which there have been growing signs of what appears now to amount to quite a hostile, challenging and serious position, which as others have said, may indicate a stance more in keeping with longer term Chinese plans, ambitions, or priorities.

Which is why, I believe, we now see a number of posts and articles such as these examples:

Tension between the US and China escalating on several fronts?

and:

www.telegraph.co.uk...
"Backlash over China curb on metal exports"

and:

China targets US troops with Arms Build up

or:

China Swallows Obama Stimulus Meant for U.S. Economy: Andy Xie

And of course, does anyone remember how the Chinese used the Copenhagen Climate Change Summit Meeting to very publicly snub both Obama and other Western leaders by dispatching a civil servant/minister to their Head of State conference room, and then re-wrote the terms of the agreement from the comfort of their own capital?

Plenty of evidence out there that both China and the West are well into some serious hard-ball rather than some friendly banter if you ask me. I think they were happy to 'slipstream' behind the USA and Europe for a while but when they began to run out of gas China simply kept their foot down hard and pulled out to overtake?

Nice post - Good shout from Slayer too - I think you have nailed a part of it [New Great Game/Oil/Gas].


[edit on 31-8-2010 by curioustype]

Interesting find, seems at first glance to be a huge move and a sign of lightning fast Chinese moves to get advantages out of Pakistan's devastating floods.

China plays it's own hand and plays a long game.

As has been said previously, there has long been border disputes between India / Pakistan and China and the region is a veritable powder keg.

China also has it's problems with Muslim extremists and has suspected for some time that there are training camps in the border region with Pakistan.

Who knows what China's motives and intentions are, there may indeed be a number of contributory factors and aims.

I have been to Kashmir, it is one of the most beautiful places on the planet. If I was a part of the chinese elite, I would want to establish my new world order in kashmir. It is the shangri-la of the east IMO.

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I have two short words to say to China.

F--k you.


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Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

I have two short words to say to China.

F--k you.

China probs has 1 to say to you too.....

But as a UK expat living in china i will say i bet there would be less blood spilt than if the scum USA military invaded (if thats even what China did which i doubt).

Originally posted by Freeborn
China plays it's own hand and plays a long game.


China also has it's problems with Muslim extremists and has suspected for some time that there are training camps in the border region with Pakistan.

Who knows what China's motives and intentions are, there may indeed be a number of contributory factors and aims.

WOW... At least some1 has a brain..... Well said.

If it was the USA or others they will either invade or drone the area.
But most will forget that. Probs like the 80+ countrys the USA have bombed in the last 60 years

Originally posted by Master Shen long
I have two short words to say to China.

China probs has 1 to say to you too.....

But as a UK expat living in china i will say i bet there would be less blood spilt than if the scum USA military invaded (if thats even what China did which i doubt).

Riiiight, like the chinese military has been doing in Tibet, WHICH IS NOT THEIRS.... but obviously someone of your caliber apparently thinks China didn't invade Tibet, now THATS A REAL INVASION... meanwhile the MAYORITY of Iraqi tribes are fighting WITH the U.S. and allies AGAINST terrorists/insurgents... But I guess that's not what the CCP brainwashes you daily with...

And it's not like the CCP has been so kind to their own for decades... China has less people in jail simply because China executes more of it's own people than ANY other country... China less bloody....

and if you want to find out the scum all you have to do is look at the CCP itself...



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Originally posted by Master Shen long
WOW... At least some1 has a brain..... Well said.

If it was the USA or others they will either invade or drone the area.
But most will forget that. Probs like the 80+ countrys the USA have bombed in the last 60 years

Naa, more like another one swallowing the brainwashing propaganda from another communist dictatorship...

Perhaps you have been blind and deaf all your life but in case you didn't know China and other socialists/communists have been invading 20X as many countries and someone had to stop it... But of course you have to ignore history and the facts...

Someone like you seems to think the Chinese invasions ad expansion of socialism/communism has not been bloody...

Keep drinking the CCP kool-aid....

Oh and before you start with the "you are drinking the U.S.A. kool-aid" I was born and experienced socialism/communism as a native of another country that embraced the sickness and virus that is socialism/communism and I didn't experience it as a "rich" sellout communist businessman selling his soul, and demanding for everyone else to give up their rights to live in the facade that is socialism/communism....

Go ahead and show us your CCP membership card, you seem to be very proud of it...



[edit on 1-9-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

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Excuse me!

Please show how I have been 'swallowing the brainwashing propaganda from another communist dictatorship'!