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Originally posted by artofjaymz
The problem of course with both the original posting in this forum AND the response from the user I am replying to in this section (though I am, in truth replying to everyone involved) is money. That of course is always the root of problems such as these. We all have natural rights, but due to mankind's obsession with printed paper as the solution to everything (financial bills, political contracts.....charmin toilet paper) nobody will do anything for free.
Originally posted by artofjaymzIf things WERE made free though, you would have the most greedy and criminal of mankind try to horde it all selfishly anyways, and we'd STILL not be getting what is ours, even in the absence of TPTB.
Originally posted by artofjaymz Of course, this just makes it all the more obvious that at some point in man's history, somebody invented money out of fear that they'd be killed for goods they owned if they should refuse to share. Whether the inventor of money was a scheming trickster, or just a small person who didn't stand a chance otherwise, who's to say.....but rest assured, money is the reason TPTB ever BECAME TPTB in the first place. They didn't invent the problem, they're just it's investors.
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Okay ATS members, why in sam hell do we have to pay to live on a planet we were born on.
My apologies if this has been mentioned before and disclose I haven't read the whole thread yet ... but to address the above question:
The question is a good one but the way it is constructed is flawed by definition.
Truth is we don't actually 'pay' for anything, we just exchange pieces of paper and the paper itself is all but worthless.
A better way to frame the question is, why do we create mental conceptual contrivances such as property, money, payment, etc, and trade within these invented and substantively meaningless abstract values?
Sure seems like an efficient way to empower some over others doesn't it?
Originally posted by wasco2
I didn't read all the posts, or watch the video, but some or maybe most or maybe all of you need to head on down to your local community college and take a basic course in economics.
Originally posted by wasco2
I didn't read all the posts, or watch the video, but some or maybe most or maybe all of you need to head on down to your local community college and take a basic course in economics.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Would all the hippies please leave so those of us who are interested in aliens froma scientific perspective can get some serious thinking done?
Originally posted by tigpoppa
Why does water cost money?
Purification costs money. The pipes and the maintenance guys who work on them have families to feed like you do so that is why it costs money.
You are free to drink water from the ocean or any river, the thing is it isnt good for you and contains harmful bacteria. Noone charges you of course for doing this yourself or collecting your own supply in rain barrels.
Originally posted by brutalsun
I've always pondered the same question. Why do I have to pay for things that are necessary to life? I'm not talking about extravagances I'm talking about the 4 basics; shelter, water, food, fire(warmth).
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by ofhumandescent
A simple song can remind people of exactly who owns this land.
Sure, you might have to purchase land, from individuals who bought it first.
It was not that way at one time, until the white man took it from Native Americans.
Remember that, prior to America existing, as a country, it was owned by none.
It was shared by all freely.