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Unemployed Irish will soon be REQUIRED to work for the gov... COMMUNISM ANYONE?

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posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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I hope you all remember this...



Well it looks like Mr. Farage's fears are continuing at an alarming rate.

This came out recently and is nothing short of what happened in the Soviet Union.



Don't have a job? No problem, they will make you go work for them if you want a check. I actually find this to be a GREAT idea, but none the less, it's a DRASTIC change from "traditional" unemployment benefits. They will have to work at places like daycare, tourist attractions, cleaning sports facilities and more if they would like their 210 euros a week.

What do you think? Good idea? These people are able to work, as they are claiming unemployment, not disabilities. I'm sure no 65 year old without a retirement will be doing manual labor like in the Soviet Union, but the types of jobs does seem rather familiar.

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Jeanius]




posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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GOOD!!

I hope the US does this as well!

This is not Communism, they are all welcome to find their own source of gainful employment, but if they are saying that they are willing and able to work, and there are no jobs available, then why not let the government put them to work?

Imagine how much better the world would be if everyone started pulling their own weight and doing everything they were capable of doing?

I was at a "Get Motivated" Seminar just a few months ago, for my job. A speaker asked everyone in the room to "Reach as high as you can." Everyone did. Then the speaker said, "Now reach a littler higher." And everyone did! Then they realized the error of their ways and they laughed.

Go Ireland!! Common sense at work!



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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I disagree as we should be given a choice to work for whoever. The government know all to well that people will sign their lives away for slave-labour trade work for monies.

The government and banks are slowly crushing us all for every penny we have earnt and will continue to do so until eventually the corrupt power structures collaspe for good. Then PTB will be powerless and then the people can decide who they want in power and how they want to earn their money. Instead of just for the interest's of greedy corporate businesses. It's all money-gone-mad to TPTB. They couldn't give a two-shoes what people think as unfortunately we the people put them in power. Now look who's turning on their own people.

Instead of helping unemployed achieve goal's/new career's/a new fresh start into something they want to change in themselves, the government will force you to work for pennies that can just barelt afford a roof over your head and put down food on your table and buy the clothes you need for warmth. They will crush you all and then make more profit out of society by depressing them in such self-pitty that you will all go out and buy junk you don't need and it's an easy tactic for government to easily control-society.

More money for the government for getting us in this mess! Less money for the rest of you who are working terribly hard to keep The Power's To Be in their seat's of Power.

Wake Up People!!!



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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thats not the way to get the Irish onboard the NWO at all! They need more freedoms for more loyalty to the NWO. Or whatever they call it in Engerland. As history tells us, the Irish aren't easily dealt with and they should be wooed



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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I disagree as we should be given a choice to work for whoever. The government know all to well that people will sign their lives away for slave-labour trade work for monies.


But you can..Just get a job, any job you want.

They do this here in Australia for those that are longterm unemployed.
It gives them some skills and I would think some motivation to get out of bed and do something better..

Or maybe some people think myself and other taxpayers should just let Joe Bloggs stay on unemployment for years, sleeping in while I get up for work??



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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damn evil communism, let's torture, assassinate, start a coup, a proxy war, support terrorists against those evil communists in Irland..

[/sarcasim]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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Its great to get them to work. Otherwise they are just on a paid permanent vacation.

They should flog them once a week as while to make an example of them and to show good hard working people that lazy ass's will not be tolerated.

Maybe they could set up camps too that they could keep them together in and under control. If it gets too crowded sure I am sure they can come up with a final solution.

All lazy basterds should be flogged and made work!





[edit on 30-8-2010 by JohnySeagull]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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Well they have the choice to work for who ever they want, but if your unemployed and want money work for who ever it is they hpook you up with there not being forced into it the government is sick of paying people to sit on there butts while most on unemployemnt are good hard working people theres a huge amount of chronic bums. Once again no one is making them do anything but if they want the tax payers money now they have to get up and actually work for it.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:04 AM
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is it really so important that ireland is part of any nwo ?

if an nwo becomes reality , do you think it'll be like some roman senate with reperesentives from every province ( countries ) ?

it'll be run by a couple o ancient inbred obscenely rich families .....

do you think they'll care about ireland or scotland or anywhere else to be honest .........do you ?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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Good. This isn't communism, it's capitalism at work. Under communism, no one would be on welfare, because you can't fire anyone or lay anyone off.

Under true Capitalism, no one gets a free ride, you wouldn't get anything for free, and wouldn't be able to pay into things like unemployment benefits or employment insurance. Under true capitalism, if you don't work, you don't eat. Period. No benefits, no welfare state, no 40 hour work week, no two day weekend, no vacation time, no early retirement, no living wage.

The last time there was true capitalism on the planet it was called the Industrial Revolution in England. Corporate greed and robber barons run rampant throughout society.

Personally, I've always thought that the unemployed should be donating their time to the society that is paying their taxes for their unemoployment cheques. Don't want to contribute to society? Then why should society help you out?

Bravo Ireland!



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by swiftfootedachilleus
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is it really so important that ireland is part of any nwo ?

if an nwo becomes reality , do you think it'll be like some roman senate with reperesentives from every province ( countries ) ?

it'll be run by a couple o ancient inbred obscenely rich families .....

do you think they'll care about ireland or scotland or anywhere else to be honest .........do you ?


You said it. WHEN NWO becomes reaility, it will be run more like politburo style, not senate style. All officals will be chosen for their connections, not elected. Regional managers will be chosen for their family and economic connections, not for their experience, or elected by the public.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by FrancoUn-American
reply to post by DClairvoyant
 


Well they have the choice to work for who ever they want, but if your unemployed and want money work for who ever it is they hpook you up with there not being forced into it the government is sick of paying people to sit on there butts while most on unemployemnt are good hard working people theres a huge amount of chronic bums. Once again no one is making them do anything but if they want the tax payers money now they have to get up and actually work for it.


In Ireland you pay tax to keep to the country running.

In Ireland you also pay PRSI which is pay related social insurance which pays you when your unemployed. So you are basically getting back the money you paid into the fund if you end up unemployed. Now , you have to work for that again? You wanna explain the sense in that ?

The governement want to give you this money that you were already entitled to by making you work for it. Then they can take you off the unemployment register.

I worked for decades. Lost my job. Got benefits for a while. Not entitled to them anymore because my credits are finished. I am unemployed and not getting anything. I am not even in the unemploment figures. Neither are all the people who were self employed , who bulit up small businesses , lost everything in the downturn and are not entitled to anything at all.

Come to Ireland its wonderful. A country that brought up generations as Catholics which turns out to be an instititution full of child abusers and their mates who covered up for them which goes all the way back to Rome.

We have seen the collapse of the economy and the church. The history shows you can only achieve anything in this country if you have a big enough brown envelope fulll of cash for whoever needs to be bribed.

They won't show you this on those romantic adds for visiting Ireland.

I really would be better off dead at this moment and time. Thats what I think of Ireland.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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I'm kind of torn on this subject.

On the one hand it gives me the cold shivers and makes me think of the workhouses, poorhouses and debtor prisons of the past. I do feel if the world economy wasn't manipulated and strangled by the banksters and elites that we would be living in a world of plenty where work and occupations could be an entirely voluntary exercise, because there are enough resources and enough smart people to make everyone on this planet a millionaire with no need of human toil.

But on the other hand if there are people out of work and infrastructure problems needing seeing to, why not get the people to do things that will benefit their community.

PS 210 Euros for the dole? That's pretty damn good compared to the UK where do I sign up?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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This is bad news. The Irish people have been screwed over by their government. First the Lisbon treaty disgrace, now this. What next?

I completely disagree with forcing people to work. So taxpayers have to pay towards their upkeep - so what? When you start complaining about these people who are living on the absolute minimum are taking away all your money, you need to put it into perspective.

The amount of money being swindled from us by the major corporations, bankers, and our own government, makes the entire benefits pot look like loose change.

Maybe you should concentrate on the people who force us into labour to make products they then sell to us, and they make huge profits not only off our labour but us buying the fruits of our labour. Concentrate on those who swindle more in one expense claim than some people's entire lifetime of benefit income. Concentrate on the bankers with their shady practices which cause them to go under, then the taxpayer has to bail them out!

But I guess its easier for people to bully the weak - to kick people who are most likely already down due to a rotten system, than to face up to the real villains in this world.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by spookfish
reply to post by Jeanius
 


I'm kind of torn on this subject.

On the one hand it gives me the cold shivers and makes me think of the workhouses, poorhouses and debtor prisons of the past. I do feel if the world economy wasn't manipulated and strangled by the banksters and elites that we would be living in a world of plenty where work and occupations could be an entirely voluntary exercise, because there are enough resources and enough smart people to make everyone on this planet a millionaire with no need of human toil.

But on the other hand if there are people out of work and infrastructure problems needing seeing to, why not get the people to do things that will benefit their community.

PS 210 Euros for the dole? That's pretty damn good compared to the UK where do I sign up?


You don't think it might be that figure becuase everything is so damn expensive in this hole? No, that would require you to use your brain.

Also, some time back they cut the dole for young people in half.
Why? Becuase they can.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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210 euros! over in england i had to survive on £51.85 a week

It was just enough to get by for a few months but then they decided to cut off my payment so I had no choice but to accept temporary agency work, but as the work is so sporadic I think I am now even worse off!



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Thanks for that perspective. When put like that I can't help but agree with you.

I feel that many US members may judge this topic through US centric eyes. The foundation of the US is based on very different principles than most European states.

While the US is: government get out of my way so I can work hard and make lots of money to look after myself and my family.

Europe is often a case of: Every single member of the population should have their survival requirements such as food and shelter covered by the welfare state if needed and anything beyond that is 'more power to you'.

It's often been said that you can judge a country by how it treats the poorest and most disadvantaged of its' populous. By that metric the US is among the very worst in the developed world.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by JohnySeagull

Originally posted by spookfish
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No, that would require you to use your brain.





There's no need for that kind of attack thank you very much. Please direct your anger in the direction that it is warranted.

Also prices in your 'hole' may be higher than the UK but 210 euros will still buy you more than £51.85. But of course one would need to use their brain to find out that standards of living are higher there than here.

[edit on 30-8-2010 by spookfish]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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This I can not comment on for the EU as I do not know if peoples checks are taxed for unemployement benefits.
In the US we pay into the unemployement system and it is an insurance of sorts.
So if I lose my job I still get paid, now if they wanted me to work for them until I found a job that would be fine with me as long as I never had to pay into unemployement.
But since I have already paid into my "insurance" if I lose a job, I expect them to take care of their Obligations just like they demand I do.
Do people in the EU have to pay into unemployement?
If so then this would be a bogus move.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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The employee does not pay into the unemployment tax/insurance. The employer pays it. The only thing held out of an employees check is for Federal and/or State withholding, Social Security, and Medicare.

The unemployment tax that employers pay is literally less than a tenth of a cent per dollar of payroll. Some employers pay more than others depending on their history of claimants. It is treated like an insurance policy.

So, if someone is out of work, and is actively seeking work, and the government offers them work in order to keep receiving benefits, it looks like a win-win-win! Unless of course those unemployed souls actually like being unemployed and getting free checks every week, and in that case, they are not really seeking work are they?



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